...and Livecode... where are we now?

Thu Oct 3 09:31:55 EDT 2019

I'm sure that LC HQ would have loved to solely preside over the language
and a flourishing opensource and enterprise community that kept the lights
on . Unfortunately that just hasn't happened since the kickstarter
campaign. Without the LCFM  lifeline I think they may have ceased to exist
in the medium term.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:08 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> poor comms don't make this better.  one good thing about LCG was that we
> had bi-monthly updates.  this year, no comms.
> i am less hopeful that the influx of new revenue will matter in the medium
> term, because most of the effort will be on the requests that are tied to
> the new revenue.
> every time this has happened with any other tool we use here, we wait with
> disappointment.  then at any sign of effort, we get excited, and then we
> seep back into disappointment.
> it's feeling like it's time to back-burner LC, too.  there is good energy
> from about 50 people, but the mother ship is doing a poor job of managing
> that energy.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!)  LCFM
> > works out that the company will have
> > an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly
> > subscriptions.
> >
> > My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny hand
> > grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ
> > bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going well"
> > or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on.
> >
> > Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone
> > working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones.
> > (HH and Sean  I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between the
> > lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use
> > are being treated like mushrooms.
> >
> > "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is
> years.
> > For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST
> > have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future .
> > I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know.
> >
> > Filemaker has data binding and field Validation.
> >
> >
> https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23
> >
> > (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled my
> > own but their are things  better done as a standard in an LC library.
> >
> > When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I  run
> > through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love.
> > What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds
> between
> > key presses.
> > What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told there
> > was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about the
> > raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on.
> >
> > I want LCFM  to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going
> on
> > and  when.
> >
> > I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words.
> >
> > Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object?
> >
> >
> > <RANT ON>
> > Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very irritated)
> > at the moment, as I  just got off the phone to the Bank where the Zombie
> > script reader who asked me 8 (countem EIGHT questions) to get me past
> > security
> > and I was only phoning up to ask why my Card Readers hadn't arrived.
> > People can have £70,000 taken out of their accounts with just a sortcode,
> > name and account number and I am asked for 8 pieces of information to ask
> > where the card readers  that were ordered nearly 3 weeks ago were!!!
> > </RANT OFF>
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
> > p.s.
> >
> > Two Card readers turned up after my call. - Two more are on their way.
> > Maybe if i look at downloads ther might be a version 10 Stable of
> Livecode
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 23:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if
> they
> > > have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they
> > > should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan is....and
> maybe
> > on
> > > a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to
> prioritize
> > > it a little bit.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the
> > > > launch
> > > > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there
> is
> > > some
> > > > > momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in
> > the
> > > > > gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing
> > > deals?
> > > > If
> > > > > that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it
> > should
> > > > > ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode
> FM.
> > > It
> > > > is
> > > > > unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed. There are currently some 200 or so pull requests waiting in
> the
> > > > queue for action.
> > > >
> > > > I'm encouraged by this:
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7185
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > >   ahsoftware at gmail.com
> > > >
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