Livecode Future

[Mike Kerner]

i appreciate the feedback. we've looked at xojo, a number of times, but
never written anything important in it. it was just an option that came to
mind, immediately, when thinking about LC competitors, and their pricing.
if we we decide to pull the plug on LC and rewrite our mobile apps, xojo
would certainly be an environment we would consider.

On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 4:16 PM Phil Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Xojo is not true multithreaded.   The threads are cooperative, not
> preemptive.  It uses "workers" which are basically helper apps to sort of
> do multithreads.   They are working on preemptive threads but no idea when
> that will happen.  The IDE is written in Xojo so its use of threads is
> limited.
>
> My personal opinion... stay away from Xojo.  Their CEO does not listen to
> customers and they spend more time renaming controls and events then
> actually adding value to the language.  They have different names for
> controls on each platform, i.e. DesktopButton, IOSButton, AndroidButton so
> you cannot use GUI code between platforms.    Documentation leaves a lot to
> be desired.
>
> I used Xojo for many years until they came out with API2 and started
> renaming everything just for the sake of renaming.  Its a mess now.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Mike Kerner via use-livecode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 7/27/24 9:28 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: Livecode Future
>
> sean,
>
> * in reverse order: compare to xojo. $799. unlimited deployment
>
> (mac/win/linux/web/mobile, console/service apps. instead of bragging about
>
> their consulting service, they send you consulting leads). if you want to
>
> unlock god mode, with things like "top priority support", "fast fixes",
>
> "rapid report verification", it's $1999.
>
> * my MRP/ERP server, which runs the back office modules (AR/AP/GL/Payroll,
>
> etc.), and includes dev tools and support: $322. that is not a typo. the
>
> dev tools are primitive.
>
> * at the other end, 4D, the "super-expensive" database/application/RAD/web
>
> server, which also includes multi-threaded apps, base price, with two
>
> users... $274. each additional user in the tier: $94. unlimited web
>
> clients: $335. our total: $891. (god mode is an additional $999). that
>
> makes the pricing a little less expensive than xojo, and it also includes
>
> the servers.
>
> * all three of those products are multithreaded.
>
> * i'm more concerned about the corporate app seats than i am about whether
>
> 5% or $440 per device for customers is a bigger deal killer for commercial
>
> clients - it won't be the first time we had someone rewrite an app for a
>
> customer.
>
> * $440/device is not happening. even $100/device is not happening. we are
>
> not paying $100/employee so they can run our payroll app, for instance, on
>
> their phone.
>
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