Livecode Future

[Kevin Miller]

I'll see if we can expand the FAQ a bit further tomorrow.

Kind regards, 

Kevin 

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ 
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things 




On 24/07/2024, 18:23, "use-livecode on behalf of Craig Newman via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:


I just read "Are the current compiled classic apps going to be disabled when the classic license expires?"


This topic is being discussed as well on the forum. I suggested there that a FAQ page be set up because there are still fundamental questions that are causing confusion at best, and anger and disappointment at worst.


Craig


> On Jul 24, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Riko Abadi via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> I have developed an Android application using LiveCode which I use for my
> web hosting business. Customers can monitor their servers through the
> Android app created with LiveCode. Do I have to pay 5% of my total web
> hosting revenue? My backend is built with Golang, not a LiveCode server.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 11:52 PM Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for sharing this Tom, really appreciate it.
>> 
>> Just one point. When you get to $1M in revenue your payments are half what
>> you suggest I,e. $25K as the percentage steadily drops as your revenue
>> increases. You can see an example PDF table in the FAQ under "How much are
>> Application Payments?".
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com <mailto:kevin at livecode.com> ~ http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/>
>> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 24/07/2024, 17:08, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via
>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:
>> use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com>> on behalf of
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I want to add a couple of points about my own case / stance.
>> 
>> 
>> I have been with Livecode for about 11 years.
>> While I have not yet shipped a whole lot ...yet
>> I took all this time to work on my skills and to build tooling for myself
>> so that I can create small niche products extremely quickly and also large
>> products at a quick pace as well.
>> 
>> 
>> So in a very real sense I've been building income potential.
>> Income potential, which I will be joyfully executing on for the next decade
>> plus, with many different products.
>> I've spent MAYBE $3 or 4K on Livecode over those years (because I used the
>> community to build.)
>> 
>> 
>> So in my case, to me, I really have received much value from Livecode, as
>> Kevin said in the video.
>> 
>> 
>> To me, Livecode is asking, ...Tom, can you pay us 50k to make $1 million?
>> And they are promising an increasingly better platform in exchange, and
>> faster updates.
>> That leaves $950k for me, my family and my business.
>> 
>> 
>> I cannot speak on behalf of anyone else, and clearly for some this really
>> sucks.
>> I'm sorry for that and in no way am I saying that this is easy.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for listening
>> 
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 10:55 AM Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Included or not, your company is paying for the platform as a whole, per
>>> user, per month and some of that revenue will be going to Power Apps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The fact that you aren’t specifically choosing to subscribe to it is very
>>> disappointing. I won’t get into a whole argument here but that strikes me
>>> as monopolistic. Microsoft have been in trouble for this sort of thing in
>>> the past. Unfortunately we won’t have time to wait for some sort of
>>> antitrust case to catch up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com <mailto:kevin at livecode.com> <mailto:kevin at livecode.com <mailto:kevin at livecode.com>> ~
>> http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/> <http://www.livecode.com/> <http://www.livecode.com/>>
>>> 
>>> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Colin Kelly <ckelly5430 at gmail.com <mailto:ckelly5430 at gmail.com> <mailto:ckelly5430 at gmail.com <mailto:ckelly5430 at gmail.com>>>
>>> Date: Wednesday 24 July 2024 at 15:35
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>
>>> Cc: Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com <mailto:kevin at livecode.com> <mailto:kevin at livecode.com <mailto:kevin at livecode.com>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Livecode Future
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see your argument but disagree with your premise, We don’t buy MS o365
>>> Business standard license for our users SO we can deploy PowerApps, we
>>> subscribe to 0365 for our users so they have access to business
>>> applications like Excel, Word, Outlook, Teams etc. the ability to deploy
>>> developed PowerApps to our users is a benefit of Microsoft’s licensing
>> that
>>> we would already be using so not an additional cost
>>> 
>>> MS O365 is pretty much a standard across all business sectors.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
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