IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)
Stephen Barncard
stephen at barncard.com
Tue Sep 7 17:02:17 EDT 2021
Welcome back, Andre!
On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:56 Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> to be honest, the IDE on Windows has been so bad for me that it caused me
> to switch back to a mac...
>
> > On 7 Sep 2021, at 09:00, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering this too: when Lagi mentioned 'fix the IDE' I thought
> this might be a reference to some of a number of usabiity snags - it didn't
> occur to me that it was just speed.
> >
> > I develop on a nine-year old MacBook and have never noticed a speed
> issue with the IDE. I wonder if it's possible that the Windows IDE has been
> affected by the same issue to do with manipulating quantities of text that
> I've been talking about on the list, which Mark W has suggested might be
> fixed in a release very shortly? (Seems unlikely!) But definitely seems to
> be something platform specific.
> >
> > Lagi, if you're still able to access a 6.7 installer, could you confirm
> whether the IDE under 6.7 has the same problem on your set up? The problems
> with speed on Windows that I'm seeing came in after 6.7.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On 03/09/2021 03:05, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi Lagi,
> >> I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz)
> and
> >> 2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly).
> >> Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores
> >> and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times
> longer
> >> in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag
> and
> >> bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode
> >> slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE.
> >> I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for
> you.
> >> It sounds a bit odd to me.
> >> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
> on a
> >>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
> >>> treacle.
> >>> <<
> >>>
> >>> As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your
> experience
> >>> on the cloud? I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you
> have.
> >>> The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself
> is
> >>> really slow (a 4yo laptop). On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel,
> the
> >>> latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5
> >>> Windows machine.
> >>>
> >>> It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only
> found
> >>> in some odd cases.
> >>>
> >>> Regards, Bernard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
> >>>> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in
> the
> >>>> way
> >>>> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
> >>>>
> >>>> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an
> extension,
> >>>> and by the time they answer
> >>>> you get cheesed off and remove the program.
> >>>>
> >>>> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6
> months
> >>>> (whichever comes first).
> >>>>
> >>>> This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without
> exiting
> >>>> for 6 months but it times out anyway.
> >>>> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing"
> twice
> >>> so
> >>>> it will last 30 days.
> >>>>
> >>>> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it
> without
> >>>> rushing.
> >>>>
> >>>> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
> >>>> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps
> those
> >>>> who want to give it a good try.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with
> an OK
> >>>> button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
> >>>> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
> >>>>
> >>>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
> >>> on a
> >>>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs
> like
> >>>> treacle.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
> >>> less
> >>>> than 30 minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"
> >>> to
> >>>> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
> >>>>
> >>>> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost -
> and
> >>>> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
> >>>> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
> >>> idea
> >>>> of the lot so far)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky,
> >>>> stupid and not workable suggestions?.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lagi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well
> >>> give a
> >>>>> longer trial a shot at some point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> >>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
> >>>>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> True, true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
> >>> around
> >>>>> but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
> >>>>> programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
> >>>>> supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
> >>>> would
> >>>>> not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
> >>> option.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ralph DiMola
> >>>>> IT Director
> >>>>> Evergreen Information Services
> >>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> ]
> >>> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> >>>>> To: How to use LiveCode
> >>>>> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
> >>>>> non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
> >>>>> download that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> >>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael
> >>> Kristensen
> >>>>> via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf
> of
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi there
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
> >>> Edition
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
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