[off] Do me a solid

[Andre Garzia]

Friends,

I have been silent for a while but I am now getting more active here again.
I've recently moved to London so if people want to go to a Pub or organize
an LC meetup, I am game.

Now back to business, I am an active member of the decentralized web
movement and more visible through my efforts on the Secure Scuttlebutt[1]
community and the Mozilla experiment called Libdweb[2].

I was at the Decentralized Web Summit this year where Tim Berners-Lee was
present promoting Solid. You can see all recorded sessions from the
event[3] or jump straight to his video about solid[4].

BELOW YOU WILL READ SOME STRONG PERSONAL OPINIONS:

In my humble opinion the dweb and dapp movement can be categorized into two
large camps and most solutions/communities tend to fall under one or
another, even though some span both camps. One camp is the "solution with
economic incentives" and in this category we place all the cryptocurrency
backed stuff, all those little blockchains with tokens, ICOs, DAGs,
cryptolattice structure marvels that no-one uses but everyone hopes to get
rich with. This is where the money is and most of the stuff is vaporware
made to promote ICOs, foster speculation and make someone (who is usually
not you) rich. Still, there is good stuff in here, bitcoin is pretty nice
as a "currency", dogecoin is fun to play with but no one will get rich,
ethereum has a nice momentum.

The other much less visible camp, which is the one I am mostly interested
in, is the "solution without economic incentive" where people are building
stuff that not necessarily relies on blockchains or tokens or any form of
currency. It is usually peer-to-peer stuff that, by design, prevents
censorship, tracking and in some cases makes really hard to monetize
anything. In this camp you'll find Secure Scuttlebutt, IPFS, Dat, Beaker
Browser (which is DAT).

Some solutions span both camps such as the offerings by protocol labs,
where IPFS, libp2p, etc fall into the second camp but their filecoin fall
into the first one, and that is OK. Or holochain which provides a platform
for you to build your on decentralized stuff even with coins and tokens.

During one of the online conferences we had for LiveCode Global this year,
I presented a TOY version of a Scuttlebutt-like protocol that allowed
people to build decentralized desktop apps with LiveCode. If the HQ accept,
they could share this video with all the community, it gives a nice little
toy intro to the concepts.

Anyway, there is a ton of stuff happening in this space, solid is not the
only game in town.

Best
Andre

[1]: https://scuttlebutt.nz
[2]: https://github.com/mozilla/libdweb
[3]: https://decentralizedweb.net/videos/
[4]:
https://decentralizedweb.net/videos/talk-solid-empowering-people-through-choice/

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 12:24 AM Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 10:11 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > <cough>
> >
> > Is this the same Tim Berners-Lee who, in his capacity as Director of the
> > World Wide Web Consortium, a year ago overruled all objections and added
> > standardized DRM to the open web standards? Sided with trillions of
> > dollars worth of corporate muscle against accessibility groups, security
> > experts, browser startups, public interest groups, human rights groups,
> > archivists, research institutions, etc?
> >
> > Pass.
> Unfortunately I think the Free Software Foundation backed the wrong
> horse.  Whilst it's mission to promote computer user freedom is
> commendable, doing it via OSS in a world where the Internet is driven
> by trillions of dollars, web search engines are driven by billions of
> dollars and both of these are influenced by media giants and
> governments with political agendas almost make the fact that you have
> OSS on your device irrelevant.   I think individual freedom, let alone
> computer user freedom, would better be served if, like linux, there
> were a couple of versions of the WWW, some of which were truly Open
> Source.  Although I use DuckDuckGo in deference to Google, I think
> we'd all be better off with a few viable OS Web Search Engines - the
> current ones are too small.
>
> I think in the future we'll look back and realise that having a purely
> open Search Engine and purely open Internet will be far more important
> to us than whether the code of the app we are using, to take advantage
> of what is available across the internet, is open or closed.
>
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