ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
tolistim at me.com
Mon Mar 26 14:09:42 EDT 2012
Roger, Tom and all -
Sorry that everyone took my comments so seriously. That's why I mentioned that they were "Sci-Fi" ideas. I was simply playing devil's advocate as my advisor did to me on many more than one occasion and poking a bit of fun at SETI.
Personally, I believe that Earth is backwater and so far down the chain of technical evolution that the other species simply ignore us. Either that, or the "Predator" team was correct and Earth's simply a hunting preserve. But don't ask me to defend that position :-P.
Oh, and don't get me started on the missing pieces of Drake's.
On Mar 26, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Roger Guay wrote:
> Please forgive me (especially Tim) for apparently sounding argumentative. Not my intent at all. I was merely trying to say that given the vastness of our universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is logical to assume a multitude of intelligent species populating our entire galaxy. And given the vast time scale involved, it is also logical to assume these alien civilizations will not have evolved simultaneously (criterion #1)
> The second criterion is that the radio active stages of technology of these civilizations will be short relative to these same vast time scales. I'm sure that I am not the first to define this criterion, but I have not seen it discussed before. The validity of this is discussed very briefly in the simulation notes. Further to this point, I would argue that ALL technologies have limited durations, and the simulation allows you to adjust it over a very long range (albeit short relative to the vast time scales of our galaxy) to your heart's content. I would be happy to discuss this at length, but it might be best to do so off-list??
> My simulation starts with these assumptions and explores the outcome. These criteria are simply derived from the statistics of the numbers involved. There are many more qualified than I to explain the statistics involved, and a few references are included in the notes of the simulation. For those interested I would would start with the SETI project itself at.
> And, the Drake equation says it all . . . statically:
> Thanks and cheers,
> Roger Guay
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