Us and them? [was Re: Livecode Dictionary]

prothero at prothero at
Mon Jan 21 17:38:52 EST 2019

I agree with Richmond. There are many great suggestions for coding tricks, and workarounds that occur on this list. That wisdom remains in the archives, but is not necessarily obviously accessible to those of us who may be exploring an unfamiliar or poorly documented technique. The dictionary is the first place I go. Links to comments about use and idiosyncrasies would be very helpful and it seems to me a “buyer beware” notice could mitigate and mothership liability. Even though the documentation for using git is available, it is still a hurdle to overcome and does discourage input from many of us.

Adding a commenting capability seems like an ideal livecode application. The dictionary could be still on git with a link or inclusion of text from a commenting app with comments linked to the relevant entry. Information in comments might occasionally be incorporated into the main dictionary entry, then purged as appropriate.

It is also unhelpful the the user guide, accessed in the dictionary window, is not searchable.


William Prothero

> On Jan 21, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at> wrote:
> Oh, fruit-flavoured socks . . .
> If many developers do not trust Microsoft, who can change their term anytime, and
> no one knows what they will do . . .
> One could wonder about the same sort of thing about other software manufacturers;
> even those who keep changing their commercial licensing arrangements in a way that
> sometimes seems haphazard and unpredictable . . .
> Trusting software developers, especially developers on who one's own efforts depend is always
> going to be an "iffy" thing, but so, then, is almost everything in life one has to rely on
> that involves other people; so worrying about Microsoft, if one spends too much time on
> it can become fairly unhealthy: and what about Apple, Canonical, and so on and so forth?
> -----
> My objection to bunging user stuff for the LiveCode dictionary on GitHub has nothing to
> do with Microsoft, but has a lot to do with accessibility.
> Way back when with LiveCode 4.5 end-user comments/feedback/hints in the Dictionary
> appeared almost as soon as someone who added them opened LC while they were connected
> to the internet . . .
> I also (possibly incorrectly) had a feeling those comments "came through" unfiltered by the mothership.
> Now I would suppose stuff going to GitHub does not get rolled into the Dictionary until the
> next LC release, and only if the mothership lieutenants approve it.
> Now, if I am messing around "trying to be clever" with LiveCode I generally need and am grateful for
> all the help I can get: and if Fred Flintstone (that well-known LC developer) found something out
> this morning which will serve me well this afternoon I have no great urge to wait 6-8 weeks for
> that to filter through to me.
> So . . . it would be lovely if, unless there are serious objections,
> the Dictionary inwith LiveCode to regain its previous functionality so we can help each other
> just that wee bit more.
> Richmond.
>> On 21.01.19 0:22, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
>> Many developers do not trust Microsoft, and neither do I.
>> Things may be fine right now, but it is the future that
>> concerns me more.  They can change their terms at
>> anytime, and no one knows what they will do.
>> Just a word of caution.
>> Cheers,
>> Rick
>>> On Jan 20, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at> wrote:
>>> Rick Harrison wrote:
>>>> I do not believe most of LC’s users are interested in signing up
>>>> for GitHub and having to sign an agreement with new owner Microsoft
>>>> too.
>>> In what way has Girhub's TOS been changed after Microsoft's acquisition which would be a concern to LiveCode developers?
>>> -- 
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