Re: Upcoming MacOS 14.5 with software “notarization” requirements

Richmond richmondmathewson at
Tue Apr 16 04:43:04 EDT 2019

"consistent scientific HIG again" . . . "scientific" . . . is not a word 
I would use about galloping subjectivity.

"a bit on the obsessive control, hard-on-the-eye schemes, and planned 
obsolescence" Yes, these are disgusting.
Not convinced about "hard-on-the-eye schemes" as they seem to be all 
over the place.

I have a 20 year old Pentium running Xubuntu Linux 18.04 merrily 
chuntering away in my school.

That machine could not cope with Windows XP, and, needless-to-say, it is 
a non-Macintosh machine.

So, as far as planned obsolescence goes I honestly don't see much 
difference between Apple
and Microsoft there beyond the fact that Apple have tied their OS to 
their machines which means they
really have got your arm round your back if you want their OS.

My remarks as to Windows being shoddy was in respect of its 
vulnerability to attack and viruses.

What i fail to understand is why there has not been a greater adoption 
of desktop versions
of Linux, as most Linux versions offer 32-bit versions, PPC versions and 
all sorts of possibilities that
probably go beyond most people's conception of obsolescence.


On 16.04.19 10:03, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
> Richmond:
> > The frightening thing about this is that Microsoft produce a
> > fairly shoddy product, and as Linux has signally failed to
> > displace Microsoft from world dominator, it will become
> > ever worse and shoddier without any healthy competition.
> So the only scary thing about Apple doing something potentially 
> problematic is merely that it might make someone with shaky faith 
> consider Microsoft? That seems to overlook the tiny step of 
> considering the potentially problematic thing itself!
> The Apple evangelism "cult" included memes using blackhat PR tricks 
> and cognitive hacks. It's too fun to resist - go ahead and try the 
> shoe on the other foot for once:
> "Ah, having trouble with your Mac again? Yeah, that's what I love 
> about Windows - everything just works!" :D
> Which is very often true in either direction, depending on the 
> particular trouble being experienced. In reality each OS has its 
> annoyances. Personally I have no dog in the race - I started with 
> Mac-first dev because of their excellent HIG research and principles 
> which they would later abandon. Then switched to Win-first dev when 
> Apple fled that previous research for a more "lickable" look, causing 
> Windows UI to became more efficient and user-friendly for my own 
> computing.
> If Apple were to embrace consistent scientific HIG again and let up a 
> bit on the obsessive control, hard-on-the-eye schemes, and planned 
> obsolescence, I'd be tempted to go back to Mac-first. I use both 
> Operating Systems and find an equal amount of enjoyment in providing 
> solutions for both!
> BTW, I've already seen an LC app undergo notarization successfully, so 
> not to worry; there will be a system in place for this particular 
> hurdle just as with everything else.
> Best wishes,
> Curry Kenworthy
> Custom Software Development
> "Better Methods, Better Results"
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
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