not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

Lagi Pittas iphonelagi at
Mon Oct 2 09:41:55 EDT 2017

I posted a link to Bret Victor in may (and forgot the link like Mark).
I thought there would be more feedback but the only one was a request by
Richmond for the link.

I didn't expand on this - but my reasoning is that we are partly there and
as Herman suggests using LCB certain of the "algorithm design" methods
could be scripted, (by better men than me .. Mark, Ali, Monte - i'm looking
at you).

Chris Granger an ex Microsoftie was inspired by the talk  and created a
kickstarter for LIGHTTABLE which was to be something like Bret Victor's
concepts. The aim was $200,000 he got $360,000. The initial version was
based on the Closure language but they then added Python and JS because of
popularity. He then Open sourced it at version 0.6 and I think it is
basically dead - Nice work if you can get it.

There is pent up demand for something like it - Apples Playground for swift
goes much of the  way but Swift ain't Livecode.

Just the implementation of the Binary search Functionality would be a
brilliant first step for debugging logic in our functions or procedures -
the animation could come afterwards but HHs suggestion could be food for

Regards L:agi



On 25 May 2017 at 12:33, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
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<>> wrote:

>* Can you post the URL to that video, please?
*>>* Richmond.
*>>* On 5/25/17 1:13 pm, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:
*>>>* Hi
*>>>>* You might want to watch this 1 hour ish video by Bret Victor as you are
*>>* compiling.
*>>* I've seen a good few of his talks over the years and read a lot of his
*>>* stuff.
*>>>>* If you think it's too long just got to either 2:30 or 10:30 (that one is
*>>* mind blowing) but I'd suggest you listen to the whole lecture.
*>>* This is the Ultimate IDE but his ideas about programming also cover what
*>>* Mark W.  was saying about not being able to remember the order of
*>>* parameters. That was in a different talk or on his website - i'll try and
*>>* dig it out.
*>>>>* Comments?
*>>>>* Regards Lagi*

On 30 September 2017 at 20:31, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 09/30/2017 11:58 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>>   Good read.    Thanks!
> Oops. I forgot to post a link to Bret Victor's talk:
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>  Mark Wieder
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