[OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.com
Fri Aug 11 12:20:41 EDT 2017 

In this case, the restrictions are to prevent malware from entering the app 
stores, which hardly sounds Draconian to me. Even so, there have been a 
handful of apps that made it through the vetting process and affected 
dozens or hundreds of users. It's rare but it has happened.

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On August 11, 2017 9:46:37 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I cannot quite see how people are prepared to go on buying Apple iPads when
> there are such draconian restrictions as to what one can run on them.
>
> While the Android "thing" may not be much better, at last one can
> side-load almost anything one wants.
>
> But, Like Richard Stallman, I suffer from the "horrible" belief that
> once one has bought something
> it belongs to you and you should not be told what you can and cannot do
> with it.
>
> OK, OK, I'm back off to the kitchen to carry on slicing vegetables with
> a roll of toliet paper.
>
> There is a whole world of difference between a set of actions one cannot
> do because of the
> physical limitations of a thing and a set of actions one is not allowed
> to do because a bunch of people
> in California want to carry on mucking you around even after they ahve
> successfully manipulated you into buying their
> over-priced product.
>
> Currently trying to get my ASUS Intel Tablet  which runs Android to do a
> few things I want it to, but Google [wouldn't Douglas Adams
> have a fit of the dry boak?] do want me to do with it.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 8/11/17 5:35 pm, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
>> If we could have our own LC App Store, where people could play an app with 
>> a player app on different platforms, it would be quite excellent.
>>
>> At the very least, I think Apple would object.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Roger Eller via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Several companies HAVE their own app stores.  Samsung is one that comes to
>>> mind.  http://joyofandroid.com/android-app-store-alternatives/
>>>
>>> ~Roger
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Apple and Google allowed player apps that play external code, companies
>>>> could essentially set up their own app stores, bypassing google play and
>>>> iTunes.
>>>> I cannot imagine either company would appreciate that.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for weighing in. I would like to read into those licenses that I
>>>>> could update my core LCS, but I know in my soul that if I do that it's
>>>> just
>>>>> a shoe waiting to drop that could affect not only my license but the
>>>> entire
>>>>> LC community. I also feel that when I create an extra button(with stub
>>>> code)
>>>>> because a "data" update offers more options that I am staying within the
>>>>> guidelines and the spirit of the App/Play store rules. I see this as
>>>> simple
>>>>> decision. I call it the "Johnny, did you eat a cookie?" scenario. Johnny
>>>>> says "no" because he did not eat "A" cookie but ate 3 cookies. I am not
>>>> a 2
>>>>> year old and know what these rules were intended to prevent.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I was once rejected because my data update "answer" dialog
>>>> was
>>>>> worded as "An app update is available". I explained that it was a data
>>>>> update and not code and changed the verbiage of the dialog. I then passed
>>>>> the review. Moral: The review team can look VERY close at any app during
>>>>> review.
>>>>>
>>>>> As it was said in Goodfellows... At least, that's how I feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>>> IT Director
>>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:24 AM
>>>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>>>> Cc: Mark Waddingham
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-08-11 12:20, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> I know the reviewers at app stores are not always careful, but
>>>>>> something like an LC player would surely get their notice.
>>>>> Review, from my understanding, is heavily automated (it has to be - if
>>>> you
>>>>> think of the scale of the App Stores these days). However, there is
>>>> always a
>>>>> means to get in contact with a human about specific issues (which can
>>>> take a
>>>>> while to get escalated with someone who can actually do something - but
>>>> at
>>>>> least it is possible).
>>>>>
>>>>>> They do allow us to import JS, but JS is way more sandboxed than LC.
>>>>> Yes - this is true - however, as I noticed this morning Apple no longer
>>>> have
>>>>> their advisory about allowing arbitrary JS to be downloaded and run
>>>> within a
>>>>> WebView. This is simply because you can could build a host app which
>>>> gives
>>>>> access to every single OS API on iOS and make all of them callable from
>>>> JS
>>>>> (even if the JS bundled with the app does not use any of it).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the point is the language is not the point - what the code running in
>>>>> the language does is important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Google, Apple are wanting to know precisely what OS APIs your app is
>>>>> calling at the point of review - so they have some idea of the surface
>>>> area
>>>>> of attack for any malicious intent. How much analysis they currently do,
>>>>> no-one really knows - however the guidelines means that (in principal)
>>>> they
>>>>> have reasons to pull any apps very quickly if they find that they are
>>>> doing
>>>>> something which is 'not allowed'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>>>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>>>>>
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