Mark Waddingham mark at livecode.com
Wed Aug 2 18:21:36 EDT 2017

Just to pay reference to the comment about LiveCode - I missed it the first time around...

We (LiveCode Ltd.) did not 'give away' LiveCode. We released it under a software license that has strings.

The GPL requires (subject to interpretation by lawyers - and a court of law) you to also release your source code of the things you write in LiveCode.

There's no such thing as a free lunch - there's always some sort of payment somewhere - even if that payment is 'for the good of all' rather than in any form of 'currently understood currency'.

Warmest Regards,


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> On 2 Aug 2017, at 23:24, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> On 8/3/17 12:03 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> > No, I don't think we have to respect Apple's policy at all.
>> A similar view might ask whether the DevaWriter license terms need to be respected, or LiveCode Ltd.'s, or Stephen King's, or the protections afforded any creator of an original work.
> <snip>
> LOL.
> I have just changed my Devawriter licensing system so that each instantiation of it that I sell is tied to the MAC address of
> an individual computer. Therefore there is nothing to respect, a chain is a chain, and if someone manages to spoof Mac Addresses
> on a large scale to use my program the fact that they would go to that trouble proves it's a program worth having!
> I have made my "licensing" system as hard as I can: I'm sure it can be broken: whether it is worth going to that bother remains to be seen;
> after all you can have a site licence for 10 machines at $200.
> If I really wanted to make "my fortune" programming computers I wouldn't be tinkering around in our spare bedroom at 55 anyway . . .
> The reason I have changed it is because I know of someone who purchased my Devawriter 3 years ago and now has copies all over the place:
> my bad, I should have taken a bit more trouble: at least some people are finally getting their heads around "Sanskrit As it Should Be":
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> Apple's policy is "just" Apple trying something on. A EULA is NOT a legally binding agreement: if you choose to abide by it you
> can feel "awfully" moral, much in the same sort of way I haven't fathered 27 children with 27 mothers simultaneously (which, oddly
> enough, is not illegal) makes me fell that I'm slightly more moral in some respects.
> I bought a 10 year-old Intel iMac about 8 months ago. I had the system install disks from a Mac laptop of my wife's that went bang about 3 years ago.
> Now I was probably breaking some sort of agreement by using those disks to get my iMac going - possibly not "meant" to install on another Mac other
> than the one they were bought with. Morally, as the one the disks came with a dead computer I could see nothing wrong with using them to get
> another, similar computer running; especially as I could find no way to purchase Mac OS Lion disks from Apple.
> LiveCode give away the Open Source version of their product. . .
> Stephen King . . . well, if you really have to read his books you can borrow them from the library . . . I read 3 of them in about 1984.
> Love, Richmond.
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