Right. The text of a field does not have the textfont property. Think of it as plain text. Bob S On Aug 11, 2016, at 13:45 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com<mailto:dochawk at gmail.com>> wrote: It did, it did! I had been trying "char 1 to -1 of the text of tgTg", which I suppose gets past the same way as "the text of" . . .