looking for an alternative to KAGI, because KAGI ceased operations

Mark Schonewille m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
Sat Aug 6 14:40:42 EDT 2016


You're wrong, Matthias. Also, I never said that companies don't need to 
do (VAT) tax declarations. It is so easy to misunderstand these things!

Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
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Op 02-Aug-16 om 14:17 schreef Matthias Rebbe:
> Mark,
>
> thanks for chiming in.
>
>> Am 02.08.2016 um 12:48 schrieb Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>:
>>
>> Always the same misunderstandings about taxes. The new VAT rules don't apply to most people on this list, because they don't sell enough.
>
> Sorry, i have to disagree. If your company is liable to tax on sales/purchases then you have to do VAT declarations, even if you just sell a digital product  for 1 Euro.
> You can decide if you do  the declarations with each EU country separately or if you do the declaration using MOSS. There is no lower sales limit which would allow to ignore this EU rule.
>
> Before i wrote the above lines i phoned the German Federal Central Tax Office and spoke to someone who is responsible for the MOSS.
> He assured me that there is no such limit. But he was aware that there is a widespread opinion out there that there is such a limit, but there isn´t.
>
> If you have other official informations especially about the sales limit, then I am more than happy to see them.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>> If your tax consultant say "play safe" then make sure to change tax consultant as soon as possible. Clearly, s/he is unaware of the rules.
>>
>
>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>> https://www.facebook.com/marksch
>>
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>> LiveCode language:
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>>
>> Op 02-Aug-16 om 10:07 schreef FlexibleLearning.com:
>>> EU VAT is only due on AUTOMATED transactions. Communicating by email and
>>> attachments does NOT constitute "Digital Services"...
>>>
>>> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/41
>>> 5931/VAT_MOSS_Flow_chart_FSB_edit_V1_0.pdf
>>>
>>> If your product requires a key (i.e. they are buying a key to the software)
>>> and you take the time to send your customer a personal email with the key,
>>> my understanding is this is a MANUAL transaction and so falls outside the
>>> scope of the legislation. If the key is issued automatically, then it does
>>> fall in the scope of the legislation.
>>>
>>> This is my understanding of this mess. I am not a lawyer and you should make
>>> up your own mind whether you are affected or not.
>>>
>>> Hugh Senior
>>> FLCo
>>>
>>> Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know, Paypal is easy. I used it before 01.01.2015. But after that date
>>> the EU
>>>> changed the rules how VAT has to be handled for digital products when sold
>>>> within the EU.
>>>> So the VAT declarations for every EU country i have to do every month is
>>> the
>>>> problem. Using PayPal i am the seller of the product and therefore i am
>>>> responsible for the VAT declarations.
>>>>
>>>> Every month / 3 months i have to declare how much VAT i have received
>>>> from the customers for each of the EU countries i sold my software to.
>>>> That means, even if i just sell only one license to a customer in France
>>> for
>>>> example, i have to do same amount of paper work as if i have sold  20
>>>> licenses to 20 different customers in France.
>>>> If i sell 5 licenses to 5 different EU countries, i have to do 5
>>> declarations.
>>>> And if i do not sell for example to a french customer one month, i still
>>> have
>>>> to do the declaration for France. In this case with the information that i
>>> did
>>>> not receive ?french? VAT that month.
>>>>
>>>> You can imagine how much work that is.
>>>>
>>>> I think i will give Fastspring or Avangate a try. Let?s see who of them
>>> answers
>>>> my email questions faster? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
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