Silly conference survey

Jim sims sims at
Wed Sep 9 06:26:42 EDT 2015

A conference requires a lot of work, planning, and inevitably tons
of problem solving. Trust me.

Flights are one expense but lodging can be far far greater. Negotiating
with a hotel is usually a good idea.

European Perspective - it would currently cost me £50 to take Ryanair from
Malta to Edinburgh. Wicked Cheap. Other European cities might be more but
most likely reasonable.

Edinburgh lodging can be expensive compared to some places (way way
expensive in August!!) but is not too crazy especially with AirBNB.
Personally I use couch surfing (free) each time I go there.

Most Important - Given we want to keep LC people chained to desks working
as much as possible plus like to have funds channeled to code rather than
airlines it makes to me that they have (European) conferences in Edinburgh.

Maybe have alternating (or whatever timing) conferences in the USA if
that's where lots of their funds come from. But EDI seems a good one for


On Wednesday, September 9, 2015, Mark Waddingham <mark at> wrote:

> I do think, even if only as a sop to those of us (like myself) who get
>> fed up how RunRev, for all their ballyhoo about China and so forth,
>> do seem to give the impression that they don't really seem to think
>> outside a North Atlantic box, the survey would have looked a bit
>> more friendly if it had left a chance open for participants to suggest
>> other cities in other states/countries than those forced as choices
>> on participants.
> To be blunt Richmond, it doesn't take a great deal of thought to
> understand *why* there is a restricted choice. Indeed, I think people
> before me have already explained adequately why. However, let me reiterate
> in perhaps slightly more detail:
> The point of a conference is that people attend.
> If people are to go to a conference then they need to be able to afford to
> do so.
> If you hold a conference somewhere where the cost to get there exceeds
> someone's ability to pay those costs, they won't go.
> If you hold a conference somewhere where the ticket price has to exceed
> someone's ability to pay that cost, they won't go.
> Therefore, you need to ensure that you hold the conference in a location
> where the most number of people who are likely to attend can attend.
> Bearing in mind we have a pretty good map of the locations of the majority
> of LiveCode users who we would class as 'likely to attend if they can', it
> isn't a difficult thing to work out where the optimal places to hold it
> might be.
> In regards to why Edinburgh (UK) and not somewhere else in Europe. Then,
> again, that is an economic imperative. Whilst getting to the main aviation
> hubs in the Western part of Western Europe (Amsterdam, Paris etc.) is
> perhaps no more difficult than getting to those in the UK, if we hold the
> conference in Europe rather than Edinburgh than we have to:
>    1) Only take a restricted set of staff.
>    2) Pay for transporting said staff to the European location.
>    3) Pay for feeding, and housing said staff at the European location.
> This latter cost means that (comparatively speaking) the ticket cost of
> the conference would have to be greater as it has to cover the costs of
> running the conference (the staff being there being quite an important
> aspect of this).
> Now, of course, it costs more to transit staff to the US (although perhaps
> not to house!) than Europe; however, we have more users in the US who are
> 'likely to attend' so the expected tickets sales if we have the conference
> in the US is higher in the UK.
> Basically, where a conference is held is entirely a numbers game.
> Sure, we could throw in a couple of 'lets make people feel fluffy
> questions' into such a survey (which wouldn't really give any useful data
> at all) but that would just make the survey longer. The longer the survey,
> the less responses you get, thus the less accurate the results you get.
> Again, it all comes down to numbers.
> Mark.
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at ~
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:

Sent from my iPodo - it makes weird spelling sometimes :-P

More information about the use-livecode mailing list