Reordering cards?

Richard Gaskin ambassador at
Fri Jun 26 10:18:06 EDT 2015

Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at>
> wrote:
> What I did say was that it is surprising how people who have been using
>> LIveCode for a very long time
>> are still unaware of some ways to do things:
> Hmmm, that sounds remarkably like the comment some people make "isn't is
> strange how when you're desperately looking for something it's always in
> the last place you look". Of course it's in the last place you look! Who
> would look any further?


> I don't deny LC needs some good reference books, and the Dictionary
> certainly needs some attention, but I fail to see any correlation with
> those facts and the reality that each LC Guru on this List doesn't
> individually know every single in and out of LC. What I do know is that
> amongst the collective knowledge of this List I'm astounded at just how
> many ways LC can skin a cat; and for this old brain I can typically
> remember just one that works for me and the others get lost with yesterdays
> news. So whilst Scott says he keeps learning new ways of doing things after
> 15 years, for me I'd imagine I keep getting surprised about 'new' ways of
> doing things, but in reality I've either read it before here on the List or
> in the Dictionary, but it just hasn't stuck because I already have a way I
> use or it isn't something I need to use to solve a problem right now; so
> it's forgetten until I read it anew a couple of years down the track and am
> surprised all over again. ;-)

Well said.

A complete overhaul of the documentation is underway right now, which, 
in addition to providing a more centralized place to search for relevant 
materials, will include a broader search index for the Dictionary, so we 
can search for things in the body of the text for a token rather than be 
limited to the token itself.

This enhancement will do wonders for moments like this, but it won't 
stop us all from benefiting from learning new things now and then. 
After all, the engine/language is continually evolving, and there's 
always something new to learn.

Consider JavaScript:  odds are there are more people typing in the 
language in the time it takes me to write this email than the sum of all 
xTalkers throughout history combined.   Yet where is its single 
comprehensive Dictionary?   There isn't one.  The stewards of the spec, 
ECMA, provide scant information about usage.  Most usage info is 
provided in third-party books, and no single book describes everything 
that can be done with JavaScript.

We learn programming languages through reading what we can find, 
experimenting, and asking questions in the language's community.

 From Pascal through C and C++ to JavaScript, bash, MetaCard and 
LiveCode, personally I've found no other way to learn any language.

After all, this moment here is exactly what learning is:  it begins with 
not knowing something, and ends with knowledge transfer.

At some point or another everyone here who renumbers cards didn't know 
how to do it, yet somehow they found the answer.  That it wasn't 
something that was known in advance isn't a sign that the language or 
its documentation is necessarily broken, but simply a reminder that 
learning is, by definition, now knowing something in advance.

Relatively little of programming involves typing. Much of it is learning.

While LiveCode has a gentler learning curve than most, we must expect 
that some ongoing learning will be part of the process of using it, as 
it is with any other richly expressive language.

  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at

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