[OT] will amuse you Linux fans

[Richmond]

On 08/02/14 18:09, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> Richmond,
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> My response was directed towards Bob.

Poor Bob :P

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> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
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>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>>> is
>>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>>> the
>>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
>>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>>
>>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>>> it
>>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
>>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>>> we
>>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
>>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>>> restore servility.
>>>
>>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
>>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>>> like.
>>>
>>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>>
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by
>>> I
>>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>>
>>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>>
>> To whom does "you" refer to?
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>> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
>> put out of joint :)
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>> Richmond.
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>>   are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>>> into those functions.
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>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>>   Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>   There is a small problem there.
>>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>>
>>>> and, furthermore,
>>>>
>>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>>
>>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>>> been,
>>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
>>>> is
>>>> a crime.
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
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