OT: mails bouncing back?

[Pete]

What Richard said!

However, it's ironic that I became aware of Livecode through one of these
blacklistsing incidents.  I was a memebre of a forum for one of the
blacklisting sites and Heather put a post on there becaue the RunRev
serevers were blacklisted there too.  We exchanged emails about the
problem, I noticed the product and bought it.  So sometimes, there really
are silver linings!

Pete

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Tim Jones wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> I've had domains caught up with sloppy blacklisting schemes myself.
> >>
> >> It's not a problem with RunRev, or their host, but with the lazy
> >> nature of a few blacklisting systems.
> >
> > Actually, in this case, it is their host.  GoDaddy needs to tighten
> > up their "secureserver.net" environment to eliminate the spamming
> > that occurs.  Their servers are high on the list of even the most
> > legitimate blacklist maintainers (Barracuda, for instance).
>
> I'm no fan of GoDaddy so it wouldn't surprise me if they've been willing
> to turn a blind eye to illegal activity to maintain that income until
> they're absolutely forced to do the right thing.
>
> They wouldn't be alone on this:  a few years ago it was well known that
> some 30% of global spam was originating from three regions in Florida, but
> neither the feds nor the downstream providers did anything to enforce the
> law.  Ultimately a few upstream providers got tired of carrying all that
> wasteful traffic and blocked it all in the backbone themselves, only after
> which the feds finally decided to show up for work and make an arrest.  The
> local hosts never explained why they'd never taken care of it themselves,
> and sadly the reprieve was short-lived as that traffic eventually moved to
> the Ukraine, where it flourishes in an apparently lawless environment today.
>
> But back on topic:
>
> Blocking entire IP ranges is not a responsible way to blacklist, since it
> can - an inevitably does - affect legitimate users.  It's simply lazy, a
> ham-fisted scorched-earth way to solve a problem that requires more
> surgical methods.
>
> In fact, it seems On-Rev.com may be a very good example of how this gets
> out of hand so easily, since AFAIK their servers aren't on GoDaddy at all,
> but on SoftLayer:
>
> <http://on-rev.com/hosting/**our-data-center/<http://on-rev.com/hosting/our-data-center/>
> >
>
> And even if some accounts were host by GoDaddy, unless those specific
> servers are used for illegal activity there's no excuse for any responsible
> blacklisting service to block them.
>
> Spam is indeed a serious problem, but when attempts to stop it shut down
> legitimate businesses the "cure" is every bit as bad as the problem itself,
> arguably worse.
>
>
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Pete
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