Enter vs Return

Mark Smith mark at maseurope.net
Sat Mar 25 21:37:17 EST 2006


OTOH, in just about every word processor or text editor I've used,  
enter produces a return, so Revs behaviour is not without precedent.  
The question is whether Rev fields should behave like a spreadsheet  
or a word processor - of course, the answer depends on context, so I  
guess RunRev went with the WP option as default, but of course we can  
override it...

Mark

On 26 Mar 2006, at 03:25, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> Richard,
> I was not so much concerned with Return. It works as I'd expect.  
> But it has always seemed strange that Enter should also produce a  
> return in Rev.
> I go back before the Mac/Windows wars. The spreadsheets of the late  
> 70s, early 80s, and since use the following convention:
> TAB = close the current cell and open the one to the immediate right
> RETURN = close the current cell and open the one immediately below
> ENTER = close the current cell
>
> The Return is of typewriter lineage (especially the electric  
> typewriters of the 60s - before that the carriage return was done  
> manually). Return is also a lower ASCII character for use with  
> teletype machines.
>
> Enter is from adding machines - where it initiates calculations  
> from numbers entered.
>
> There is definitely a difference between Return and Enter! Enter  
> should not produce a carriage return. But, as you say, three lines  
> of code set the world right. Mark Smith's suggestion fixed all of  
> the problems I was having.
> Paul Looney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:21:45 -0800
> Subject: Re: Enter vs Return
>
>   Paul wrote:
> > Everyone,
> > Isn't the current behavior of Enter (doing a return) wrong?
>  > If I am the only one who thinks so, I'll work around it with  
> Mark's > cure. Otherwise I'll bugzilla it (thought it had been  
> entered in > Bugzilla already).
>
>  I don't believe the behavior's changed, and it's easy enough to  
> have any other behavior you want.
>
>  But unfortunately if you want to ever support the other 90+% who  
> use Windows, you will only confuse them if you have different  
> behaviors for Enter and Return:
>
>  It seems everyone who designs PC keyboards are all under 25 years  
> of age, having never seen nor heard of a typewriter, which would  
> explain why they exhibit no understanding of the origin of the  
> Return key on their keyboards:
>
>  <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/73566/ 
> match=type
> writer>
>
>
>  PS: Oddly enough, while I can find that post easily on GMane and  
> Nabble, searching for "typewriter" in the Rev list archives comes  
> up empty.
>
>  Not to RunRev: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add your own search on your  
> archives. Outside services like Google have no obligation to index  
> all of your content, and many searches with it produce incomplete  
> results.
>
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