New Externals...

Thu Feb 3 15:27:23 EST 2005

Hi Chipp,

>From what I could tell on the list over time would be a Filemaker Pro
style database.

SQLite is free and well supported. Making it an external and giving
the rev community a "starter" interface might appeal to the masses?

Maybe a follow on business would be a rev plugin that could utilize
the SQLite as a table object?

And a personal favorite would to have a graphing module that would
create serveral types of graphs that excel produces...this may have
the largest mass appeal? This would give the rev users the ability to
add a standard desired component to their projects.

A math engine external? An ssh client?

Just a few of my wishes.

Maybe 

regards.

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:21:28 -0000, Derek Hadlington <djh at mac.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Windows Mobile platforms have had .Net capability for a while via the .Net
> Compact Framework and controls support from vendors such as ComponentOne.
> Visual Studio IDE (Professional and above) provides projects 'out of box'
> for Mobile devices and even an emulator to test your application without
> having a PDA/Smart Device.
> 
> Current .Net framework (1.1) Will work on Windows Platforms all the Way back
> to NT4 SP6a with certain caveats.
> 
> Mono on Linux works quite nicely and I regularly build on MS .Net and run on
> windows and Vice Versa. Only real weakness at moment is the Windows Forms
> Implementation on Mono is a 'work in progress' and relies on Wine emulation.
> Iam using GTK bindings on .Net to address this for now.
> A lot of these limitations are been addressed in future versions as well as
> VS2005 compatibility and now Novell is stewarding the effort its moving
> along at quite a rate. There will always be some minor differences ( IP
> issues and certain frameworks not been useful on non Windows environments).
> 
> Like most things in theory ( I think :-)) )Revolution could be made so that
> it emits Mono/MS .Net compatible ILASM code which could be run on top of a
> .Net or Mono runtime enivronment. Points to note here are :-
> 
> Would need a ground up rewrite of Revolution to generate ILASM instead of
> Its own integrated custom bytecode engine and code model. A BIG Job I
> would expect !
> 
> Revolution as it is has the nice feature of very easy deployment with
> most applications been comprised of a single file approx 2MB in size.
> Mono and .Net are in the 20 to 40 MB range unless frameworks etc are
> already installed on system its to be deployed on ( Very uncommon
> currently ).  Solution to reduce .Net size and not require framework to
> be installed globally do exist and cost is $$$$ ( Xenocode $1500 !! ).
> This issue often occurs with Java too :-)
> 
> I would personally think a better course to take would be the one Gordon
> suggested in his OT, namely make it easy to bind to .Net/Mono in a similar
> Way to how you can use .Net functionality from ActiveState Perl using
> PerlNet supplied with their Perl Development Kit.
> 
> Phew that got a bit too long and OT :-))
> 
> Cheers
> Derek
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Frank D.
> Engel, Jr.
> Sent: 03 February 2005 19:24
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: New Externals...
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> "Going to be" cross-platform?  Check here:
> 
> http://www.mono-project.com/
> 
> Hmm... what about a Rev runtime for .net?  I think .net will be
> available for Windows Mobile soon (is it already?), so a .net runtime
> version would automatically provide support for software on Windows
> Mobile, Windows itself (2000+, correct?), and apparently Mono-supported
> platforms as well (various flavors of Linux, plus OS X more or less --
> more soon, I hope) -- and possibly even future platforms which don't
> even exist yet!
> 
> On Feb 3, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Gordon Webster wrote:
> 
> > Dear Chipp
> >
> > An "externals external" would be great. Something that
> > could expose the functions and type requirements in
> > standard windows dlls or *nix .so shared library (and
> > their OSX equivalents).
> >
> > As is already the case in C#, Java or some of the
> > flavors of Basic, you could then import these
> > functions directly into transcript something like ...
> >
> >     externalHandle = altuitUseExternal("mylib.dll")
> >
> > IMHO runrev really needs a more accessible interface
> > to the vast wealth of shared libraries that exist out
> > there, without having to write wrappers for every new
> > library you want to use. I would love to be able to
> > use OpenGL from within rev for example and create
> > interactive 3D viewports on my rev stacks.
> >
> > OT: Wouldn't it be great to have .NET bindings for
> > rev, especially since it seems that .NET is going to
> > be a genuinely cross-platform runtime (please no Java
> > Vs. .NET flames or any other anti-MS invective - I'm
> > no great fan of MS, but it seems that they've finally
> > done something right with .NET)
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The recent altBrowser bundle offering was a success
> >> thanks to RR users
> >> all over the world. A personal thank-you from Chris
> >> and I for all of
> >> your support. And thanks to RunRev for an excellent
> >> job of helping to
> >> get the word out.
> >>
> >> We're currently working on a free upgrade for
> >> altBrowser (both Mac and
> >> PC) which we hope will be out next week.
> >>
> >> So, this got Chris and I thinking about other
> >> externals. Before we
> >> started, we wanted to get some feedback from RR
> >> users as which externals
> >> you would like to see. Keep in mind, they need to be
> >> cross-platform, and
> >> they need to have some sort of mass market appeal.
> >>
> >> Here are a couple of ideas we have:
> >>
> >> 1) USB external support. That about says it all
> >> right there!
> >>
> >> 2) Image Effects library. The ability to
> >> import/export many different
> >> formats, apply special effects like dropped shadows,
> >> borders, sharpen
> >> and blur and more.
> >>
> >> If you have any other ideas, please let us know,
> >> either on this list or off.
> >>
> >> Thanks again!
> >>
> >> -Chipp Walters
> >> Altuit, Inc.
> >>
> >>
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