use-livecode Digest, Vol 250, Issue 34

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>    1. Re: unsubscribing (Andre Garzia)
>    2. Re: unsubscribing (Tom Glod)
>    3. Re: unsubscribing (Keith Martin)
>    4. Re: Livecode Create hosting (Kevin Miller)
>    5. Re: Livecode Create hosting (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
>    6. RE: unsubscribing (Douglas A. Ruisaard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:24:58 +0100
> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: unsubscribing
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> Heriberto,
>
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 at 20:16, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Andre. As a dedicated Livecode user who has worked at Livecode and
> > authored several great books about it, you understand the software and
> > its community well. You must recognize that many of us are very
> > frustrated by the new seat subscription model. The impact of these
> > subscriptions is absolutely brutal for us.
> >
>
> I totally do, but as someone who has been quite close to the team, and
> worked for LiveCode in the past, and now works for Canela, I'm keeping away
> from this discussion since I'm of course extremely biased.
>
> To be honest my favourite thing the LC team ever built was the short-lived
> Dreamcard. I still giggle when I think of it.
>
> I really avoid playing armchair CEO. I was never a successful CEO, I had a
> company that I never launched and that says more about me than about being
> a CEO. I know many CEOs who have kept their business afloat for decades and
> that includes both Kevin and also Mark, my current employer. I try not to
> voice too much in terms of business decisions.
>
> It is for sure a pivotal moment and what I hope is that the new platform
> empowers all the developers here into new and faster successes.
>
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:05:16 -0400
> From: Tom Glod <tom at makeshyft.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: unsubscribing
> Message-ID:
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> We could make a compelling case for airing business and licensing details
> in public, or in private.
> For Livecode, as a company that is already poor on the spectrum of
> transparency and communication, and at times truth-telling.
> (though improving)
> I vote NO to taking the conversations private.
>
> If you are wondering what I mean .....
>
> No public roadmap on what is going to get done or not going to get done any
> time soon.
> Lack of candor is all statements made, such as not addressing the fact that
> we have funded features you have not delivered (when telling us you spend
> more on the platform than you make.)
> The community as a whole has no clue if the script compiler will ever
> happen.........
> Those are 2 examples.
>
> Sooooooo ... I say having to make public statements as part of the new
> future of livecode might be a good thing.
>
> Why is anyone trying to decide what gets talked about here and what
> doesn't  to begin with?
> Is it spam? no.  Is it livecode related, yes.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 1:26?PM Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Heriberto,
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 at 20:16, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Andre. As a dedicated Livecode user who has worked at Livecode and
> > > authored several great books about it, you understand the software and
> > > its community well. You must recognize that many of us are very
> > > frustrated by the new seat subscription model. The impact of these
> > > subscriptions is absolutely brutal for us.
> > >
> >
> > I totally do, but as someone who has been quite close to the team, and
> > worked for LiveCode in the past, and now works for Canela, I'm keeping
> away
> > from this discussion since I'm of course extremely biased.
> >
> > To be honest my favourite thing the LC team ever built was the
> short-lived
> > Dreamcard. I still giggle when I think of it.
> >
> > I really avoid playing armchair CEO. I was never a successful CEO, I had
> a
> > company that I never launched and that says more about me than about
> being
> > a CEO. I know many CEOs who have kept their business afloat for decades
> and
> > that includes both Kevin and also Mark, my current employer. I try not to
> > voice too much in terms of business decisions.
> >
> > It is for sure a pivotal moment and what I hope is that the new platform
> > empowers all the developers here into new and faster successes.
> >
> > --
> > https://www.andregarzia.com <http://www.andregarzia.com>
> > Want to support me? Buy me a coffee at https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:11:21 +0100
> From: Keith Martin <thatkeith at mac.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: unsubscribing
> Message-ID: <3FF7BFF6-766B-4E0E-A4E8-8631ADFCD291 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> > On 29 Jul 2024, at 18:37, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to
> > unsubscribe now and (maybe) rejoin once this nonsense has run it course.
>
> Might be a bit late to suggest this, but why not set up an email rule to
> archive/trash/whatever these emails, then remove the rule when you feel
> things have calmed down? For one thing, how will you know that time has
> come if you're no longer subscribed?
>
> k
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:32:52 +0100
> From: Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Livecode Create hosting
> Message-ID: <41DE05C1-37E7-451E-8302-9624FBF4A449 at livecode.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>
> Create has the option to host your app, media and data store in our cloud.
> That means that users can navigate to it via a link we generate, or you can
> embed it within one of your web pages (with the embedded app hosted by us).
> For desktop/mobile apps, the data store and media can be hosted in our
> cloud.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
>
>
>
>
> ?On 30/07/2024, 14:14, "use-livecode on behalf of David V Glasgow via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:
> use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> Apologies if this has already been explained, or is obvious to all but me,
> but exactly what does ?hosting? mean in this context?
>
>
> Would users of my apps need to be able to access my Create space online?
> Or is it my dev workspace, or an optional/mirrored workspace, an app store,
> or some other sort of thing?
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> David G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Glasgow
> Consultant Forensic & Clinical Psychologist
> Honorary Professor, Nottingham Trent University
> Sexual Offences, Crime and Misconduct Research Unit
> Carlton Glasgow Partnership
> Director, Child & Family Training, York
>
>
>
>
> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidvglasgow/> <
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 00:10:57 +0200
> From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Livecode Create hosting
> Message-ID: <A042DAC2-D928-4F24-9906-6F6DAD4CCDC9 at m-r-d.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>
> Kevin,
>
> please excuse, if this already was asked and answered.
> I did not follow the progress of LC Create (Xavii) and therefore I might
> have missed something.
> Will LCC Native be able to deploy also to web/Html5  or was the
> development of that platform stopped because of LCC Cloud?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
> > Am 30.07.2024 um 23:32 schrieb Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Create has the option to host your app, media and data store in our
> cloud. That means that users can navigate to it via a link we generate, or
> you can embed it within one of your web pages (with the embedded app hosted
> by us). For desktop/mobile apps, the data store and media can be hosted in
> our cloud.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com <mailto:kevin at livecode.com> ~
> http://www.livecode.com/
> > LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ?On 30/07/2024, 14:14, "use-livecode on behalf of David V Glasgow via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:
> use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:
> use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Apologies if this has already been explained, or is obvious to all but
> me, but exactly what does ?hosting? mean in this context?
> >
> >
> > Would users of my apps need to be able to access my Create space online?
> Or is it my dev workspace, or an optional/mirrored workspace, an app store,
> or some other sort of thing?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > David G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Glasgow
> > Consultant Forensic & Clinical Psychologist
> > Honorary Professor, Nottingham Trent University
> > Sexual Offences, Crime and Misconduct Research Unit
> > Carlton Glasgow Partnership
> > Director, Child & Family Training, York
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidvglasgow/> <
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidvglasgow/>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:23:17 -0700
> From: "Douglas A. Ruisaard" <dougr at telus.net>
> To: "'Keith Martin'" <thatkeith at mac.com>, "'How to use LiveCode'"
>         <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: RE: unsubscribing
> Message-ID: <3e2701dae2cf$13e3ba10$3bab2e30$@telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Old men get to be grumpy ... it's one of the few "benefits" of getting to
> my
> age, that and being selectively hard of hearing, seriously wondering why
> youngsters get tattoos on their faces and admiring beautiful women without
> them being offended.  I actually *do* have this forum's incoming already
> filtered to a certain degree but really felt that the topic had run its
> course sufficiently to have the members "move on".  I have, over the past
> few decades, greatly admired and benefitted from the sage advice, examples
> and knowledge that members of this group have selflessly donated to our
> collective skills and successes.  But the licensing thread seemed to have
> become redundant, unproductive and (IMHO) having little relevance to the
> "normal" precise and valuable guidance and lessons I often have found
> amongst these discussions ... hence my response.
>
> It is a misunderstanding that I was criticizing the nature of the topic ...
> simply the duration, lack of direction and (to me) its eventual deficiency
> of relevance to what I believe to be the beneficial aspects of the "normal"
> technical topics presented and discussed.  If anything, I felt that the
> topic content may have produced much more confusion and anxiety in many of
> the participants rather than aiding them in understanding what seems to be
> a
> fairly complex subject and highly specific to individual environments.  I
> forgot to mention the acceptable advantage of being astonishingly selfish
> once you reach your golden years and beyond.
>
> As to when I will rejoin ... once I get bored with NOT hearing the wisdom
> of
> the members.  Interesting that shortly after my diatribe, that topic seems
> to have dissipated.  I continue to wish everyone success in their endeavors
> and will, no doubt, open the window on your knowledge in the future.
> Douglas Ruisaard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Martin <thatkeith at mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 12:11 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Douglas A. Ruisaard <dougr at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: unsubscribing
>
> > On 29 Jul 2024, at 18:37, Douglas A. Ruisaard via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to
> > unsubscribe now and (maybe) rejoin once this nonsense has run its course.
>
> Might be a bit late to suggest this, but why not set up an email rule to
> archive/trash/whatever these emails, then remove the rule when you feel
> things have calmed down? For one thing, how will you know that time has
> come
> if you're no longer subscribed?
>
> k
>
>
>
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