Livecode Future

[General 2018]

Hi Kevin ,

Thanks for the reply. 

Well that sounds promising. Totally agree if digital service VAT is deemed due then the app can no longer be classed as free. 

Kind Regards

> On 24 Jul 2024, at 14:05, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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> If the app is genuinely a free companion app then there are no fees payable under our model. It sounds like that is the case here so no change. What we won't accept is someone pretending the app is free and restructuring their business model to make it appear that way when its actually a paid app. I'm not suggesting that is the case here. However if the VAT man was to determine that this app should be paying digital services tax in future then we'd also consider it to have a value at that point.
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> In terms of removing the label, it will be a very small tasteful badge. Lets have another conversation about it at the time to see if this is really an issue. I except we can come up with a solution if so.
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> Kind regards,
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> Kevin
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> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
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> On 24/07/2024, 13:49, "use-livecode on behalf of General 2018 via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
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> Hi Kevin,
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> I have one commercial app which is sold through Fastspring. Fastspring take care of the digital service VAT. I make small sums from this and the 5% would hurt a little. This fits the new licence “Apps for Sale”
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> The concern is my second app, this is offered commercially as a package with a hardware product. The software is not available separately and attaches no cost.
> This is exempt from the digital service VAT. It falls under free software in the real world and would look bad with the Livecode mandatory message “non-commerical” blinking at buyers of the package. To remove the Livecode message it’s needs to be commercial with non zero cost as per the licence model, this would be a killer as if the cost is even £1 then digital service VAT is due which would disrupt the way in which my product is distributed and controlled.
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> So, under the new Livecode licence models the seller of a commercial product package containing hardware and software in which the software element has no standalone value is being forced to charge separately for software, pay 5% and enter the world digital service VAT.
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> Is that the understanding ?
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> Regards
> Camm
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> On 24 Jul 2024, at 11:52, Tim Selander via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
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> Yes, this is quite important to me as well.
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> Thanks,
> Tim Selander
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