@Kevin - some questions about GDRP and what exactly happens with the Lifetime Commercial (all current and future platforms) licenses

[Kevin Miller]

Hi Matthias,

Thanks for your questions.

Tracking users - yes we will track and collect this information. You will be able to see it in a user portal too. While we don’t yet offer it, you will soon have a choice of data centre. We are GDPR compliant. We will also offer a contract for a specific number of users without tracking for those of you that have more sensitive apps.

The cloud solution in general will comply with GDPR yes.

I have outlined in a specific video our policy on lifetime licenses, its on the page near the bottom for those of you that had those licenses (you will have received a different email to the others with a different link).

I’m glad to hear that the developer license + application payments works for your commercial app.

Your specific use of LiveCode Server on its own is an interesting question. I did speak to several dozen customers personally prior to making this change (including you!) and it was not a question that really came up in any major way. Obviously in the case of application payments it's just part of that model. However the use you have here seems like a bit of an edge case. Clearly there is value in our server platform but perhaps not as much as when you’re using our full tech stack with GUI delivery (or the new Cloud features) etc. I’m going to take this offline and ask you a number of questions about this so we can figure out something sensible.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ 
LiveCode: Build Amazing Things 




On 24/07/2024, 11:55, "use-livecode on behalf of matthias rebbe via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:


Dear Kevin,


I am asking this here, as I am sure there a many who are also having the same or similar questions.


As i correctly understand, then the product "Livecode Internal Apps" tracks the number of users. What information is collected and where is it stored? Are those servers located in the US or EU? Does it comply with GDRP?


Does the new cloud solution in general comply with GDRP? 


What exactly happens to Livecode Server?


What exactly happens with the Commercial Lifetime licenses from Kickstarter, which included current and all future platforms? Will they, even not maintained, at least still work after 2027? Or will they be disabled? 
Although I had such a license I also had a subscription for a Business license, although I really did not need that Business features. It was more a support to LC, because Lifetime licenses does not bring any money. I even funded most of your "projects", starting with On-Rev Server and revMobile. I evend "funded" the ScriptCompiler, although I was sure, that I do not really need it. 




My personal situation is the following. 


I have one commercial app which is sold through Fastspring. I would not have a problem with paying for a developer license + the 5% fee for my sales, although I do not earn much money with it. 
I even would also not have a problem with it to purchase also a Internal Apps Developer license.


But over the years I've created many Internal Apps and LC server scripts. A large number of them is still maintained. 


Some of them run scheduled and unattended on a server. Some of them are used by about 10 or 12 users. Those are not big apps, just simple helper tools. One tool for example is run every time the user sends an email from the ERP. It uses pdftk server and Ghostscrip in the background to manipulate PDF files before they are sent out by email to customers. 


According to the new pricing we would have to pay at least 4356 /year (1 dev + 10 users to use this tool. That is definitely a knockout criterion.


I would understand to pay this when using the new features of the new product, but not for maintaining/bugfixing and even for creating simple apps without the need of AI, Cloud and whatever extraordinary feature/functions the new product comes with...




Regards,
Matthias






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