Training the AI to write better LiveCode
Mike Kerner
MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
Tue Jan 17 07:46:56 EST 2023
even if the same person asks the same question, multiple times, the answers
will vary, so don't be surprised.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:35 AM Kaveh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> ChatGPT clearly likes me more that you. ;-) At least I have one friend!!!
>
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 at 06:28, Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I also used chatGPT for looking uo code and I repeated your question. But
> > this time chatGPT gives a wrong answer!
> >
> > —chatGPT:
> > You will need to specify the group that the button should be added to by
> > setting the group property of the button. The syntax for this is as
> follows:
> > set the group of button [name of button] to [name of group]
> >
> > For example, if you wanted to create a button called "myButton" and add
> it
> > to a group called "myGroup", you would use the following script:
> >
> > create button "myButton“
> >
> > set the group of button "myButton" to "myGroup"
> >
> > create button "myButton“
> > set the group of button "myButton" to „myGroup"
> > ---
> >
> > It is an error because group is not a property of a button!
> > So, really be careful with copy&paste programming ;-)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Torsten
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 14.01.2023 um 22:14 schrieb Kaveh via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > I just tried Google to the answer to a problem. Didn't get it first
> time,
> > > so tried ChatGPT. I asked:
> > >
> > > *How do I add a button to a group in LiveCode using a script?*
> > >
> > > I got:
> > >
> > > *create button "myButton" in group "myGroup"*
> > >
> > >
> > > *This command creates a new button object with the name "myButton" and
> > > places it inside the group "myGroup".*
> > > Just what I needed.
> > >
> > > You can also set properties of the button
> > >
> > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 20:09, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks for posting this Geoff. It’s the first time I've seen a ongoing
> > >> dialog between a programmer and Chat GPT and the first thing I am
> > struck by
> > >> (but not the only thing) is it’s ability to deal with human ambiguity.
> > For
> > >> example, you ask it to modify the code to be an “on mouseUp handler
> in a
> > >> button". But nowhere in its response is there any sign of a button. It
> > just
> > >> totally ignored that part of your request. The code it provides works
> > in a
> > >> card, a stack, a graphic image, an svg widget, in fact, in anything
> that
> > >> accepts mouseUp input. And yet, it didn’t worry itself about that.
> Very
> > >> interesting. It’s kind of like, “this works in a button, so good
> > enough”.
> > >> That is not the kind of “nuance” I am used to expecting from an AI.
> So,
> > >> progress has clearly been made in interpreting what humans say (or
> ask)
> > in
> > >> a very loose way.
> > >>
> > >> The 2nd, and perhaps more astounding example, is when you ask it to
> > >> "rewrite the code to be a function that takes an argument "n", repeats
> > with
> > >> 1 to n, and returns the results”.
> > >>
> > >> The really clever bit here is not that it rewrites the previous code
> > into
> > >> a function, but that it removes the bit about "put fizzbin into field
> > >> “display””. How does it know that putting the result in a field is NOT
> > the
> > >> typical responsibility of a function? How does it know that that step
> > needs
> > >> to occur AFTER the function call? That is so high-level that I am sure
> > lots
> > >> of beginning programmers have made that mistake. It even comments on
> it
> > in
> > >> the documentation. So there is some very deep semantic understanding
> of
> > >> programming code that is going on here. Because, you did not ask it
> to
> > do
> > >> that, but the fact that it did it anyway indicates it clearly
> > understands
> > >> what the purpose of a function is.
> > >>
> > >> Quite weird for me to comprehend how it knows that. Unless of course,
> > you
> > >> were somehow more specific than your examples illustrate.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >>> On 14 Jan 2023, at 3:22 am, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> So just now I put this in to chatgpt:
> > >>>
> > >>> "fizz bin" is a program that counts from 1 to 100, replacing every
> > number
> > >>> divisible by 5 with "fizz" and every number divisible by 7 with
> "bin";
> > >> and
> > >>> numbers divisible by both 5 and 7 with "fizz bin". Write code in the
> > >>> programming language livecode to execute "fizz bin"
> > >>>
> > >>> This is what ChatGPT responded with:
> > >>>
> > >>> repeat with x = 1 to 100
> > >>> if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz bin"
> > >>> else if x mod 5 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz"
> > >>> else if x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "bin"
> > >>> else
> > >>> put x
> > >>> end if
> > >>> end repeat
> > >>>
> > >>> That works as-is, but obviously the results fly by in the message
> box.
> > >> So I
> > >>> put a field and a button on a card, and edited to this, and it works
> > >>> perfectly:
> > >>>
> > >>> on mouseUp
> > >>> repeat with x = 1 to 100
> > >>> if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz bin" & cr after fld 1
> > >>> else if x mod 5 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz" & cr after fld 1
> > >>> else if x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "bin" & cr after fld 1
> > >>> else
> > >>> put x & cr after fld 1
> > >>> end if
> > >>> end repeat
> > >>> end mouseUp
> > >>>
> > >>> Then as I was typing this email I realized I was potentially selling
> > >>> chatgpt short, so I put this in:
> > >>>
> > >>> Modify that code so it works as an "on mouseUp" handler in a button,
> > and
> > >>> concatenates the results on individual lines, and puts the final
> result
> > >>> into the field "display"
> > >>>
> > >>> And it output this:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> on mouseUp
> > >>> put "" into fizzbin
> > >>> repeat with x = 1 to 100
> > >>> if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz bin" & return after fizzbin
> > >>> else if x mod 5 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz" & return after fizzbin
> > >>> else if x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "bin" & return after fizzbin
> > >>> else
> > >>> put x & return after fizzbin
> > >>> end if
> > >>> end repeat
> > >>> put fizzbin into field "display"
> > >>> end mouseUp
> > >>>
> > >>> And it followed that with instructions:
> > >>>
> > >>> This code uses the "on mouseUp" handler to execute the script when
> the
> > >>> button is clicked. The results are concatenated and separated by a
> new
> > >> line
> > >>> using the "& return" operator after each output. The final result is
> > >> placed
> > >>> into a field with the name "display" using the "put" command.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll save you the trouble: that code executes perfectly right out of
> > the
> > >>> box, with no errors, and of course even though I didn't ask it to, it
> > >> uses
> > >>> a variable to store the intermediate values, saving the field update
> > for
> > >>> the end.
> > >>>
> > >>> If I were writing it, I'd probably do something like
> > >>>
> > >>> on mouseUp
> > >>> put "" into fizzbin
> > >>> repeat with x = 1 to 100
> > >>> if x mod 5 = 0 then put "fizz " after fizzbin
> > >>> if x mod 7 = 0 then put "bin " after fizzbin
> > >>> if char -1 of fizzbin is space
> > >>> then put return into char -1 of fizzbin
> > >>> else put x & return after fizzbin
> > >>> end repeat
> > >>> put fizzbin into field "display"
> > >>> end mouseUp
> > >>>
> > >>> That might be a bit faster, but probably not as clear.
> > >>>
> > >>> Finally, I gave it the input:
> > >>>
> > >>> Now rewrite the code to be a function named "fizzbin" that takes an
> > >>> argument "n", repeats with 1 to n, and returns the results.
> > >>>
> > >>> function fizzbin n
> > >>> put "" into fizzbin
> > >>> repeat with x = 1 to n
> > >>> if x mod 5 = 0 and x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz bin" & return after fizzbin
> > >>> else if x mod 5 = 0 then
> > >>> put "fizz" & return after fizzbin
> > >>> else if x mod 7 = 0 then
> > >>> put "bin" & return after fizzbin
> > >>> else
> > >>> put x & return after fizzbin
> > >>> end if
> > >>> end repeat
> > >>> return fizzbin
> > >>> end fizzbin
> > >>>
> > >>> This works perfectly, and chat gpt also documents its answer:
> > >>>
> > >>> This code defines a function named "fizzbin" which takes an argument
> > "n"
> > >>> that determines the range of the repeat loop. The function builds the
> > >>> result string in a variable "fizzbin" and return the final result.
> The
> > >>> calling script can then use the returned value for further processing
> > or
> > >>> for displaying in a field.
> > >>>
> > >>> Grammatical issue notwithstanding, that's good documentation.
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> > >
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> > > Kaveh Bazargan PhD
> > > Director
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