Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
Tom Glod
tom at makeshyft.com
Fri Sep 3 21:48:44 EDT 2021
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for acknowledging that you received it!
I will compile a video of the problems, but will happily schedule a zoom
and talk about some other things as well.
I should have a video compiled within 1 week, since i'll still be using it
all week long.
Thanks Kevin,
Tom
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:07 AM Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> What I liked about your email to me Tom was that it was extremely
> specific. You had just a handful of issues you considered absolutely key
> and offered to Zoom to show that to me. I look forward to scheduling that
> once I finish getting unburried __
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>
> On 02/09/2021, 22:59, "use-livecode on behalf of Tom Glod via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Lagi,
>
> I wrote to Kevin earlier and gave the exact same advice. those exact 2
> points needing to be addressed.
>
> Give long trial, fix the most obvious IDE issues ASAP.
>
> Without those two things how is any new developer going to join the
> platform?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
> > something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in
> the
> > way
> > so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
> >
> > You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an
> extension,
> > and by the time they answer
> > you get cheesed off and remove the program.
> >
> > The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6
> months
> > (whichever comes first).
> >
> > This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without
> exiting
> > for 6 months but it times out anyway.
> > Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing"
> twice so
> > it will last 30 days.
> >
> > This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it
> without
> > rushing.
> >
> > The people who would game the system are the people who won't be
> loyal
> > customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps
> those
> > who want to give it a good try.
> >
> > You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with
> an OK
> > button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
> > brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
> >
> > But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am
> running on a
> > 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs
> like
> > treacle.
> >
> > If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine
> in less
> > than 30 minutes.
> >
> > You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it
> away" to
> > schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
> >
> > It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost
> - and
> > some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
> > student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most
> stupid idea
> > of the lot so far)
> >
> >
> > Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these
> cranky,
> > stupid and not workable suggestions?.
> >
> > Lagi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well
> give a
> > > longer trial a shot at some point.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> > > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> > >
> > > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
> > > use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > True, true.
> > >
> > > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
> around
> > > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
> > > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any
> other
> > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter.
> I
> > would
> > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
> option.
> > >
> > > Ralph DiMola
> > > IT Director
> > > Evergreen Information Services
> > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-livecode [mailto:
> use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode
> > > Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
> > > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
> > >
> > > Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a
> free
> > > non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
> > > download that.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> > > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> > >
> > > On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael
> Kristensen
> > > via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on
> behalf of
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi there
> > >
> > > I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
> Edition
> > >
> > > That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
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