IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)
Ben Rubinstein
benr_mc at cogapp.com
Fri Sep 3 09:57:20 EDT 2021
I was wondering this too: when Lagi mentioned 'fix the IDE' I thought this
might be a reference to some of a number of usabiity snags - it didn't occur
to me that it was just speed.
I develop on a nine-year old MacBook and have never noticed a speed issue with
the IDE. I wonder if it's possible that the Windows IDE has been affected by
the same issue to do with manipulating quantities of text that I've been
talking about on the list, which Mark W has suggested might be fixed in a
release very shortly? (Seems unlikely!) But definitely seems to be something
platform specific.
Lagi, if you're still able to access a 6.7 installer, could you confirm
whether the IDE under 6.7 has the same problem on your set up? The problems
with speed on Windows that I'm seeing came in after 6.7.
Ben
On 03/09/2021 03:05, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Lagi,
> I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz) and
> 2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly).
> Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores
> and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times longer
> in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag and
> bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode
> slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE.
>
> I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for you.
> It sounds a bit odd to me.
>
> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running on a
>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
>> treacle.
>> <<
>>
>> As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your experience
>> on the cloud? I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you have.
>> The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself is
>> really slow (a 4yo laptop). On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel, the
>> latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5
>> Windows machine.
>>
>> It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only found
>> in some odd cases.
>>
>> Regards, Bernard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
>>> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the
>>> way
>>> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
>>>
>>> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension,
>>> and by the time they answer
>>> you get cheesed off and remove the program.
>>>
>>> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months
>>> (whichever comes first).
>>>
>>> This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting
>>> for 6 months but it times out anyway.
>>> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice
>> so
>>> it will last 30 days.
>>>
>>> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without
>>> rushing.
>>>
>>> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
>>> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those
>>> who want to give it a good try.
>>>
>>> You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with an OK
>>> button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
>>> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
>>>
>>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
>> on a
>>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
>>> treacle.
>>>
>>> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
>> less
>>> than 30 minutes.
>>>
>>> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"
>> to
>>> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
>>>
>>> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and
>>> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
>>> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
>> idea
>>> of the lot so far)
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky,
>>> stupid and not workable suggestions?.
>>>
>>> Lagi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well
>> give a
>>>> longer trial a shot at some point.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>>>
>>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
>>>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> True, true.
>>>>
>>>> There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
>> around
>>>> but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
>>>> programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
>>>> supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
>>> would
>>>> not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
>> option.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>> IT Director
>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
>>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>>> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
>>>> non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
>>>> download that.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>>>
>>>> On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael
>> Kristensen
>>>> via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
>> Edition
>>>>
>>>> That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
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