New(?) Idea for Standalones

[Roger Guay]

Thank you, Richard for these responses . . . some of which I will have to consider for a while to better understand. But I still think this idea has merit, is very easy to do and maintain and makes Livecode even more attractive to prospective customers, especially those who require easy collaboration with colleagues

And BTW, I don’t care who builds it, but it seems a natural for RunRev.

Roger

> On Mar 27, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger Guay wrote:
> 
> > On Mar 26, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> What are you looking for?  When were these "good ol days"
> >> in which one could run stack files without an engine, and
> >> how did that work?
> >
> > In the good ol days, I could build a standalone for the Mac,
> > Windows and Linux and distribute it willy-nilly. Now I have to
> > jump thru intolerable hoops (at least for the Mac) to give
> > someone my standalone. if someone (hint. . .hint) could build
> > a Livecode reader app for dirt cheap or even free w advertising
> > that would run LC standalones, everything would be right in the
> > world again!
> >
> > I think my martini is showing...
> 
> After I read that I poured myself two fingers of whiskey and sat back enjoying the memories you conjured. Good thoughts. Thanks.
> 
> In those days we made software for single users to run on a single computer running one brand of OS.
> 
> The web had barely been invented, the Internet not yet privatized for general use, and "cloud" was still called "mainframe".
> 
> It was a much simpler time. I miss those days myself.
> 
> 
> The hoops we now jump through to deliver apps are OS vendors responding to an evolving need to establish trust in hostile connected environments.
> 
> As software opportunities have expanded, they've for everyone, good and bad actors alike.
> 
> My response to Alex was apparently too long to be read, but I touched on this in third block, re "security", re implications for a player as well:
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2021-March/263948.html
> 
> 
> 
> > This conversation has given me some focus and clarification of the
> > basic idea. Here is what I would love to see: A LiveCodeLight
> > downloadable from the mother ship.
> 
> Why specifically from the mother ship?
> 
> Or to put it in business terms, which features/bug fixes would you be willing to see dropped so the company could commit to making and maintaining yet another project?
> 
> In addition to the opportunity cost to the company, there's also the segment who would use it as an alternative to maintaining a current license, resulting in at least some degree of revenue cannibalization.
> 
> And while the upside is non-zero, it's limited to a slender subset of promotional value opportunities which could more easily be attained with nearly any marketing strategy at lower cost, and in ways that more directly feed their funnel.
> 
> Moreover, a player produces no direct revenue, but maintenance and support obligations create immediate (if modest) direct payroll impact.
> 
> Free software isn't free to make and maintain.
> 
> 
> > LiveCodeLight would be a stripped down version of the community
> > edition that would not open the IDE, but would open and run stacks.
> >
> > Thanks, Brian for the idea.
> >
> > Is that a cool idea or what?
> 
> Also addressed in my earlier post (some day I'll learn to write less here).
> 
> The close of that post suggested this might make a good community project, and described how simple it could be if anyone here really wanted something that rudimentary.
> 
> But (for the reasons also described in that post) it would have to be with Community, which raises two questions not yet answered in any subsequent reply:
> 
> How many who would use a generic player would be willing to relicense their works under GPL, as would be required if distributed via the GPL-governed Community Edition.
> 
> And with Community's role in LC's business as a sort of freemium offer, how many projects might one want to distribute with a player which use absolutely none of any features found only in the proprietary editions, Indy and Business?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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