Where do we want LiveCode to go? (was "Re: Where LiveCode is Now")

[JJS]

I agree with this, Livecode gives fairly quick insight in the 
programming process

Op 4-10-2019 om 20:09 schreef Richmond via use-livecode:
> I would like LiveCode to be "up there" in the top 5 of languages
> used in school world-wide for teaching within the next 10 years.
>
> I would like private educational institutions to invest in LiveCode
> and supply large-scale feedback to LiveCode Central as to any
> educational enhancements they may feel will improve the IDE for 
> teaching purposes.
>
> For this to happen LiveCode has to be integrated into the curricula of 
> standardised
> examinations.
>
> In England and Scotland educationalists are complaining about an 
> alarming decrease
> in high-school students enrolling in programming classes. I believe a 
> lot of this is due
> to an extremely steep start to the learning curve offered by the 
> languages that are
> currently "up there" and that LiveCode offers a far, far gentler entry 
> point to
> young learners.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 4.10.19 20:47, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> The question was: Where is LiveCode now?
>>
>> It's in the 21st century, where proprietary software continues to 
>> thrive in consumer segments, but nearly all infrastructure and dev 
>> tools are Free and Open Source.
>>
>> Compare and contrast:
>>
>> -----
>> Python in the third most popular language in the world.
>>
>> Python is a language engine only. It has no IDE of its own, relying 
>> on third-party tools.  It has no packaging tools built in for mobile, 
>> and third-party offerings are so scarce that there are fewer Python 
>> apps in the mobile app stores than there are made with LiveCode.  
>> Even things we take for granted like having any user interface at all 
>> are treated like an afterthought, achievable only with your research 
>> into the various third-party options for such things, and your 
>> willingness to learn and integrate those add-on frameworks.
>>
>> Python has many major players funding it:
>> https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/
>>
>> Python has a very active community, with few on payroll and most pull 
>> requests coming from the community.
>>
>> -----
>> LiveCode has made it into TIOBE's Top 100 languages list, but 
>> currently in the lower 50.
>>
>> LiveCode has similar platform coverage, but with a rich IDE, built-in 
>> mobile packaging, and GUI support that's not merely included but an 
>> integral part of the language.
>>
>> While LC has thousands of subscribers for the proprietary editions, 
>> it has no sponsors as big as Facebook, CapitalOne, AWS, or Google 
>> funding it. Even among the many companies deriving significant value 
>> from LC, some of the most successful businesses using LC for internal 
>> tools often use the Community edition and make few if any donations.
>>
>> The LC community has only about half a dozen community members 
>> submitting pull requests with any regularity (big THANK YOU to those 
>> who do), despite half the project, the IDE, being written in the 
>> scripting language everyone in the community knows and loves.
>>
>> -----
>>
>> In short, LiveCode delivers more, and does so with fewer resources.
>>
>> In too many ways to count, comparisons between languages will always 
>> be unfair, and this oversimplified summary is no exception.  Details 
>> about history, shifting markets over time, and more than a little 
>> random luck play a role in adoption as much as anything else.
>>
>> So I mean no disrespect to our scripting cousins using Python when I 
>> note how much LC delivers.
>>
>> But I do mean to illustrate how much LC Ltd accomplishes with the 
>> resources at their disposal.
>>
>> Rather than rebut the wealth of Dunning-Kruger inspired kvetching 
>> that has come to characterize a small corner of this community, or to 
>> contribute any kvetching of my own, I believe it's more productive to 
>> make choices about how we use our time which support productive 
>> outcomes.
>>
>> To reorient, rather than ask, "Where is LiveCode now?", we might ask:
>>
>> "Where would we like LiveCode to be?"
>>
>> And when we have the luxury to choose how we spend our time, maybe we 
>> could choose to spend that time making what we want to have.
>>
>> I would like to propose this forked thread be used to brainstorm 
>> ideas for how we can use time that might be spent on less productive 
>> outcomes toward having what we want with LC.
>>
>> As good ideas emerge, I will do what I can in the role of Community 
>> Laison to help steward such things along.
>>
>> But please, I forked this thread for a reason:  this is for 
>> initiatives to move things forward, to have what we want. Please use 
>> other threads for other purposes.  I find across much of life that 
>> when I spend too much time focused on things I don't want, it stifles 
>> awareness of opportunities to have what I do want.
>>
>> Lets have what we want.
>>
>> "Make it so, Number One."
>>
>>
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