Learning from scratch - any recommendations?

Sat Nov 2 03:23:27 EDT 2019

At least you tried ;) German and Dutch come have much similarities. In a previous job i had to drive to many German customers from Hamburg to Stuttgart (among was Porsche ausbildung-school) and lived for 5 years in Germany too. Near the border there are lots who understand dutch.

Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> schreef op 1 november 2019 23:31:26 CET:
>we were very often in the Netherlands for vacation, so i seriously
>tried to learn Dutch.
>But it ended that the Dutch better understood me when i spoke German or
>English instead of Dutch. ;)
>
>Matthias Rebbe
>
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>> Am 01.11.2019 um 19:28 schrieb JJS via use-livecode
><use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> quote : I hate to learn another language. That is why I live in the
>United States. /quote
>> 
>> If we the Dutch go to Germany we talk German, if we go to France many
>of us not all talk French, if we go to other countries we talk mainly
>English.
>> 
>> If Germans or French come to our country we talk their language or
>english
>> 
>> Try to learn Dutch, if we had'nt sold New York to the Brittish you'd
>all talk Dutch
>> 
>> And partly thank God it happened or we'd all would listen to Dutch
>music today and most of it i can't stand :)
>> 
>> there was another point i wanted to make, but during typing i forgot.
>> 
>> 
>> Back on topic, Java or Kotlin is something i would want to try, but
>it's more difficult, although everyone says their language is so easy.
>Livecode is best to step in.
>> 
>> 
>> Op 1-11-2019 om 18:52 schreef dunbarx--- via use-livecode:
>>> I am with Richmond, mainly.
>>> I hate to learn another language. That is why I live in the United
>States.
>>> LC, if you introduce only a  handful or three of native words,
>controls and concepts, is accessible to anyone with a real desire to
>learn this sort of thing. Even a first grader; they just need more
>mentoring. Even someone who did not know they would like to build stuff
>in software.
>>> The trick is the engagement, to make it seem cool and fun.
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
><use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
><mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>>> Cc: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com
><mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>>
>>> Sent: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 12:59 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Learning from scratch - any recommendations?
>>> 
>>> I have a radical disagreement with Scratch and its ilk as, while it
>does
>>> allow one to run up simple computer games, it does not let users see
>the
>>> "guts" of a program, and seems not to give children transferrable
>skill for
>>> non-block programming languages. I have successfully started kids
>from 9
>>> years old and upward on programming with both BBC BASIC and
>Livecode.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 6:00 PM kee nethery via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
><mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My recommendation is to have them start with scratch.mit.edu
><http://scratch.mit.edu/> and spend a
>>>> month making stuff with that language. Scratch is built for 1st
>graders to
>>>> pick up and it is extremely satisfying as the starter language.
>They get
>>>> exposed to all sorts of concepts, message passing, variables, flow
>control,
>>>> multi-processing, it’s a great starter language. A month making
>stuff and
>>>> then move to livecode.
>>>> 
>>>> Kee
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
><mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I was disappointed that I only got one reply to my query about LC
>as a
>>>> platform for learning programming - I thought this was a big thing
>with
>>>> quite a few people on this list, some of whom are actually
>educators. Since
>>>> I’ve failed in this, can someone suggest a better way of getting an
>answer
>>>> (e.g. forums, mother ship)?
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been approached by one of my family to ask what would be
>the
>>>> first steps for someone (a young adult) to enable them to enter the
>world
>>>> of app design and programming. Obviously I need to ask more
>questions
>>>> myself, such as whether this would be to get a job, or simply as an
>>>> educational exercise, or maybe to provide a launchpad for a startup
>idea.
>>>> However, even at this stage, of course my thoughts turned to
>LiveCode.
>>>>>> So my question to the community is, how would such a person start
>off -
>>>> assuming they’re intelligent, very familiar with consumer-level
>technology
>>>> such as smart phones, tablets, laptop computers for study etc. and
>social
>>>> media, but probably have never seen or thought about what is
>involved in
>>>> designing, implementing and publishing an app (I would just say “a
>>>> program”, but that shows how old I am) on any platform? If it is LC
>(and
>>>> why not?), are the published lessons sufficient? What is the view
>of those
>>>> on this list who do actually teach this stuff?
>>>>>> The trouble for me is that I have been around all this for 50
>years
>>>> (more, to be truthful) and so can’t project myself well into the
>mind of
>>>> that kind of newbie. One guess is that one way to start would be to
>find a
>>>> cheap hardware platform (probably an Android tablet) and try to use
>the LC
>>>> Community Edition to allow me to create something for that; but
>that idea
>>>> may be stupid, particularly as one would need a different platform
>to
>>>> actually do the development work.
>>>>>> Hoping for some insights
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Graham
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