IDE breaks down over time

Paul Hibbert paul at
Tue Nov 28 22:12:01 EST 2017

Re PB:

> 1. there's no refresh button
> 2. it doesn't auto-refresh
> 3. it empties its contents at odd moments

4. it screws up it’s own view from time to time making it impossible to see which control is linked which group

These are part of the reason I set about making a plugin to add some shortcuts to the IDE menus, now I can just use the shortcut Shift-Cmd-B twice and it will close then re-open the PB. Probably not ideal, but it works for me.

It’s here if anybody wants it: - It’s not perfect, but it works if you are careful with the shortcuts that you choose. BEWARE - I've only tested on Mac, so I don’t know how well it will work with Windows/Linux, it may need some tweaking.

If any of this is useful for a 'hacking the ide' multi-part project then I would be happy to contribute this to the project.

I’m sure it wouldn’t be too difficult to add a menu item and shortcut to the Tools menu just to force the Project Browser to refresh, but I haven’t delved into the PB scripts to see how feasible that would be, or what would be required.

I know Mark Waddingham is against using a refresh command/button/menu item/whatever, and I can understand that long term, it would be way better to have the PB behaving correctly all (or at least most) of the time, but in the meantime we still need to work with it, preferably without too much frustration. I did find it frustrating, but now that I can force it to refresh relatively easily and quickly it has become much more useful, to me at least. 


> On 28 Nov 2017, at 17:47, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at> wrote:
> There are a slew of PB QR's.  That was one that I was suggesting we work on
> for LCG as a 'hacking the ide' multi-part project.
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at> wrote:
>> It’s likely you are encountering some execution errors in the IDE scripts.
>> Try setting gREVDevelopment to true and see if you get any details to
>> report. We know there are a number of issues with the project browser
>> keeping track of objects which is why I recently wrote an object repository
>> library in LCB. We haven’t had a chance to update the PB to use it yet
>> though.
>> Cheers
>> Monte
>>> On 29 Nov 2017, at 7:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at> wrote:
>>> I am building new UI… not a drop of code.. it's all about drawing
>> controls, grouping, setting rects and RGB values etc.forground background
>> colors, setting alpha etc.
>>> after about 30 minutes in 9.0.0-dp-9  the IDE seems to get very
>> confused. (OS X)
>>> If I work in the project browser, or  revApplicationOverview…either
>> things start happening like:
>>> 1) if in property inspector: clicking on the layer up down… does nothing
>> layer is fixed on the current number.
>>> 2) I can actually click on the object and "send backward" but in one
>> case the object was deleted by this operation.
>>> 3) the PI become increasingly non-responsive: click on the cross to edit
>> location width height etc… nothing happens, the switch to the panel for
>> dimensions and location does happen.
>>> 4) then if we relayer some control in the PB, clicking on an object
>> selects a different control on the card than the highlighted on the list.
>>> 5) close the PB switch to the old AB… and things are now also failing
>> here as well.
>>> 4) suddenly no longer able to save or open the message box…
>>> 5) finally reach a point here closing the PI and then right clickin gto
>> open it again the whole property inspector opens, but is completely non
>> responsive. 4
>>> It's as if some set of vars that contain pointers to objects lose track
>> of what object they are connected to or the selectedObject or target is lost
>>> Hopefully I can save, close the stack, reboot. then things get better.
>> Sometimes can't save, have to shut down, lose a lot work… well, not any
>> more… I save every time I make a minute change now.
>>> Is this better in 9- dp 10? or the latest versions of 8.*  I switch to 9
>> for the mobile debugging, but am not really using that at the moment.
>>> Brahmanathaswami
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