HTML5 deployment: progress comes into sight

Dan Brown danoldboy at gmail.com
Wed May 31 09:01:30 CEST 2017


I'll also add that for all the wonderful possibilities that LCB brings
there is a very real danger that countless hours will be spent using it to
re-invent the wheel.

Take for instance the displaying of svg's. This is a solved problem in the
browser and has been for a long time but in native livecode it's still in
the infant stages of implementation (to put it mildly). The best solutions
for user interface "widgets" are arguably being created in the form of
javascript libraries. To me it makes total sense to integrate with that
ecosystem and free up LCB / livecode developer hours for solving other
problems

Hopefully soon I'll see this in my inbox

"Livecode brings the power of javascript to native mobile and desktop
apps"....



On 31 May 2017 5:35 am, "Dan Brown" <danoldboy at gmail.com> wrote:

> JavaScript via the browser would be huge. There are tens of thousands of
> JavaScript libraries that could be used by livecoders to add bleeding edge
> UI elements  & websockets to their applications via lc script. It would
> allow livecode to communicate with the real-time web  without lcb ( which
> only a small percentage of the community are able to utilise)
>
> On 31 May 2017 3:32 am, "Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> mark Waddington wrote:
>>
>>     We've also been looking at how to abstract the FFI work we've done as
>>     part of the Infinite LiveCode campaign to allow LCB to bind to
>>     JavaScript
>>     APIs (which will allow greater type fidelity than is possible using
>>     'do as javascript' from LCS).
>>
>> BR:
>>
>> I don't understand the above well enough to know if this is even related…
>> but the need has not gone away. At the risk of "going on and on again"
>> about this again.
>>
>> What I would find much more useful (may it is just me) is to get the
>> javascript of the html5 code running in a browser widget to be a "member in
>> good standing" of LC message hierarchy inside an LC build (not the other
>> way around)
>>
>> I can get any number of developers from around the planet to build any
>> kind of "HTML5" thing for our web site and it would run faster (no
>> emscripten download required), be better designed in the long run than some
>> "transform" of a Livecode stack to HTML5.
>>
>> At least in my universe, use cases for pushing LC apps to HTML5 in the
>> browser are very few. For us here, and I would think for a "legion" of
>> developers who are vested first in the LC app platform and html5 second,
>> what we need is for the run time, synchronous communications between the JS
>> in the browser widget and the LS message path.
>>
>> What I *really* want is to leverage the web kit graphics engine so that
>> we look at the HTML5 Canvas/JS like some kind of "media toolbox" for
>> building content. So, like Photoshop just offered today tutorials on
>> building animated gifs, which we can then obviously use in LC. Similarly I
>> want HTML5 "kids" working for me to build content that I can turn around
>> and then running inside Livecode with the LC scripts and the JS "talking to
>> each other" intelligently and in a timely way. (javascript calls a
>> function, LC hears this and returns the data, JS proceeds… even simple
>> things like someone does something in the browser widget… data is then
>> saved by the LC back end script to SqlLite Dbase and returns a "success"
>>  like a kind of "dispatch" call from the JS to the LC scripts that wrap the
>> widget.
>>
>> Jonathan runs Google earth "for God sake" in a browser widget.  Another
>> man on our team created an app using ionic/angular that is now on the
>> stores. Just for "kicks" I extract the core and it ran perfectly inside a
>> LC stack/Browser Widget. But… I can't get that to talk to LC… except with
>> the primitive calls we now have.
>>
>> then, for $35.00 someone who is a JS jockey can write some cool animation
>> in HYPE and and I can drop this into
>>
>> myapp
>>   mainstack.livecode
>>    /animations
>>         /hype-html5-animation
>>
>> and run the latter inside the mainstack.
>>
>> We have discussed this at length before and HH and Jonathan are way ahead
>> of me on these initiatives. My query on the business channel resulted in
>> $7,000.00 price tag to get that job done, $13,000.00 if we wanted robust
>> error checking included.  I realize to some of us here that may seem like a
>> lot, but I can respect the hours-to-get-it-done-must-be-covered
>> requirements. I had hope we might get a "kick starter" going with a number
>> of us kicking in some $  for this… I could probably get permission to spend
>> from our shoe string budgets:  $1,500 at least… but no one else here
>> responded. So I guess My idea that others could use this was a "fantasy" ??
>>
>> Does this relate at all to " LCB to bind to  JavaScript APIs" ?
>>
>> Brahmanathaswami
>>
>>
>>
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