Monte Goulding's day off? ; -) the outcome.

Lagi Pittas iphonelagi at
Thu Jun 30 11:00:52 EDT 2016


In the end what I did was when i created the JSON "string" with arrayToJSON
i went down each line of the output fopund the "offending lines" and did
some bittwiddling as below:-

on mouseUp
   put AbsolutePathFromStack("menu.json") into lcFile
   put ArrayToJSON(gaFoodMenu,,true) into gJSON
   CleanupJSON  gJSON
   put gJSON into URL("file:" & lcFile)
end mouseUp

on CleanupJSON @pJSON
   local lnP1, lcP1, lcCleanJSON

   set itemdel to ":" --- JSON separator

   repeat for each line lcLine in pJSON

      if lcLine contains quote & "P1" & quote then -- e.g. a line like
 "P1" :  "12.25",
         put the second item of lcLine into lcP1
         delete the last character of lcP1 -- comma sparator at end
         put Replacetext(lcP1,quote,"") into lcP1
         put round(lcP1,2)  into lnP1
         put lnP1& comma  into the second item of lcLine
      end if

      put lcLine & return after lcCleanJSON

   end repeat

   put lcCleanJSON into pJSON
end CleanupJSON

Now here is the reason I got on my high horse. The code to build the JSON
string and save it to a file is miniscule. The bit to fix the JSON is
longer and will need a  a unique version for a different formatted JSON
file unless I write a parser/tokeniser  that will find real numbers with a
precision greater than 2 (in this case).

BY doing it this way and at the same time removing the quotes around the
currency values the part that reads the JSON  file  works 100% - so the
"stringified" currency is not needed. So basically I could save 20 lines
 of codeand a load of agro  with that 1 change and have a library routine
that wouldn't need to change.

Kindest Regards Lagi.

On 30 June 2016 at 10:16, Mark Waddingham <mark at> wrote:

> On 2016-06-30 00:06, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> I’m sorry mergJSON isn’t working out for you. It sounds to me like you
>> actually want to represent your numbers as strings in the JSON. In
>> which case mergJSON does have the facility to force things that look
>> like numbers to be strings and things that look like sequentially
>> indexed arrays to be unordered objects.
> This relates to the generation of JSON, I believe?
> I think the issue here is the reading of the JSON.
> LiveCode will format numbers using the current numberFormat when the
>> user wants to use them as a string. This would probably be a
>> reasonable change to the external too. mergJSON is open source so if
>> anyone is so inclined they could use EvalExpr to get the numberFormat
>> then do something like what the engine does in MCU_r8tos to format the
>> string. The repository is at
>> We might want an extra
>> boolean parameter governing whether to apply the numberFormat also I
>> think.
> I do wonder here whether the problem is that from LiveCode Script's point
> of view (and Lagi's use-case, probably others too) that it would be
> preferable that all non-object/array/string values in the JSON are returned
> as they are in the input file; string values being unescaped appropriately
> (the quotes removed, obviously). This means that the LiveCode engine would
> then do the conversions as appropriate, during use.
> In particular, this would mean the original representation of numbers as
> they are in the JSON would be preserved - i.e. you would get 1.40 if the
> value in the JSON was 1.40 - not the result of going string -> double ->
> string again.
> Unfortunately, from what I can see in the jannson source (the library used
> my mergJSON to read the JSON), there is no mode that allows this.
> As LiveCode Script can't distinguish between
> numbers/strings/null/true/false - all are represented by strings, this
> would actually be better than the current situation for many use-cases.
> However, it is important to consider the fact that there are use-cases
> where you *do* need to distinguish between a string "1.40" in the JSON
> input and a number 1.40; as well as a string "true" and the boolean value
> true in the JSON input. This is a similar problem to supporting 'NULL' in
> database columns - LiveCode Script doesn't distinguish between the empty
> string "" and no value at all (NULL) - so you have to use a sideline call
> to determine if a database field is actually NULL or not.
> Prior to LiveCode 7, all values were either strings or arrays - however,
> now they can actually be nothing, booleans, strings, numbers, binary
> strings or arrays and there are operators to determine what a value's type
> 'really' is the 'is strictly' operators. So you can do things like:
>     put "1.40" into tNumString -- tNumString is strictly a string
>     put tNumString + 1.6 into tNumber -- tNumber is strictly a number
> These could provide a basis for providing a JSON importer which allows
> both modes of use:
>   1) The 'simpler' everything is a string or an array view.
>   2) The 'faithful' things have a specific type view, where you can use
> the 'is strictly' operators to determine the *actual* type of the value
> which was specified in the JSON input. e.g.
>       {
>          "foo" : true
>       }
>      Would return an array with key "foo" mapping to 'string' "true"; but
> if you test the value with 'is strictly a boolean' it would return true; if
> you test with 'is strictly a string' it would return false.
> There's still a couple of caveats here...
> LiveCode Script (as yet) does not have 'proper lists' - at the moment
> 'arrays' are used to represent both JSON objects and JSON arrays (JSON
> arrays are sequences of values - lists in our parlance) - so you cannot
> distinguish between something which is an object in the JSON input and
> something which is an array in the JSON input.
> I'm not sure yet how we'd make it possible to distinguish between the
> number 1.40 and the string "1.40" in the JSON input but still make it so
> that you 'see' what the precise input (1.40, in this case) was when the
> number is converted to a string. Maybe one option would be to have a new
> internal datatype StringyNumber which would be a String, but act like a
> Number - basically a pair (string, number) with the invariant that
> stringtonum(string) == number (but not the other way around - as that's
> ambiguous). Such a beast would return 'false' for is 'strictly a string',
> but 'true' for is 'strictly a number'. Of course, the problem then is that
> you get an inconsistency with regards things such as 'the numberFormat'.
> Whenever the engine formats a number as a string, it uses the numberFormat
> to work out how to generate the string representation of the number. With
> StringyNumbers, though you get an inconsistency:
>     put 3.14159 into tStringyNumber
>     set the numberFormat to "#.##"
>     put "Number: " & tStringyNumber
>     -- as tStringNumber is strictly a number you'd expect it to obey
> numberFormat and so the output would be:
>     --    Number: 3.14
>     -- However, the point of a stringy-number is to preserve the original
> string rep, so with the currently proposed logic
>     -- you would get:
>     --    Number: 3.14159
> This means the 'naive' approach suggested above is perhaps not quite right
> as it makes the number/string 'fragile' in the sense that you can get
> different outputs depending on what the inputs were (and have no way to
> detect that difference will occur). Therefore, I wonder if we can make the
> numberFormat logic 'work' on strings, and not numeric representations...
> i.e. The operation ConvertToString(StringyNumber -> String), should use the
> string part of the StringyNumber together with the numberFormat part to
> generate the output String - essentially if the numberFormat *requires*
> more trailing decimal places than the string part of the stringy-number
> has, then it should extend the string with those zeros to match; if the
> numberFormat *forces* less decimal places than the string part of the
> stringy-number has then it should format from the number part of the
> stringy-number, ignoring the string part altogether (the other option would
> be to 'round' the string directly, I think these two these would be
> equivalent - but a little bit of maths is needed to see which is the most
> appropriate to minimise error).
> Anyway, upshot is, mergJSON uses a library which perhaps does not do
> things 'quite the best way' for integration with a stringy language like
> LiveCode Script (hence the contention Lagi is having); the recent changes
> to LiveCode (since 7) could mean we can have the best of both worlds in the
> future, although there is a bit of core engine work to do to make that
> possible.
> Warmest Regards,
> Mark.
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> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at ~
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