LiveCode for the Hobbyists

Matt Maier blueback09 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 29 10:03:53 EST 2016


For what it's worth, I got the Indy license so that I could release
github.Howstr.com under whatever license I wanted. In this case that's the
MIT license. So for me it's not even about keeping it secret, it's about
sharing with fewer restrictions than the GPL allows.

Of course, I am turning Howstr into a business, but I committed to Indy
long before I committed to going into business. Being able to pick my
license was important to me as a hobbyist.
On Feb 29, 2016 05:57, "Roland Huettmann" <roland.huettmann at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, Mark, I like the word "creative" )
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> Hobbyists, students etc not able or willing to pay the full fees and still
> wishing to have some reflection of protecting code could form an
> association which would receive full rights from LiveCode to protect code
> in the name of the association, and all members of the association would
> have an internal agreement about protection. There could be an agreement
> that if such rights are claimed by a member then he could obtain them for a
> fee and change status, or leave the association and go for Indy or Business
> license.
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> If such association would pay 10,000 dollars a month to LiveCode, it would
> need 500 hobbyists and students paying 20 dollars a month to raise such
> money not counting big overhead costs and not making any profit which an
> association does not have to make.
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> I am working in Africa a lot, mainly Togo, Ghana etc.. There is hardly any
> student able to survive a month, and his or her ability to pay would be
> zero. But it would be an excellent ground for LiveCode for really reach big
> masses of students and developers if we would promote it. A community
> version is essential, but also protected versions are of need. Where to get
> the funding? Aid programs?
>
> In any case, we are glad that we have a community version !
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> To put myself into the shoes of hobbyists/students in need of some kind of
> code protection: I personally would feel kind of pushed to order now at
> least an Indy license to not loose the opportunity to keep a low pricing
> schema later. It is only this one point which would make me a bit sour.
> Even if it is meant in a nice way, it is a kind of unpleasant feeling that
> now I must decide about something that I - hobbyist - may only need in
> future, or never will need at all, but should decide to pay right away to
> not loose the benefit of lower recurring payments. And then even today such
> Indy license is double the price that I would usually be willing to pay
> just to keep going without expectation of much reward. Just the price
> target - and the future price especially - would make me think a lot. Since
> it may become not affordable for a lot of people in near future, it
> triggers the thought of stepping out now. Or it is an incentive to step in
> now.
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> So, from such point of view it become a kind of "futures" trading - with
> risks involved when leveraging the future.
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> Well, there are equally valid other points of view, and I could also put
> myself into their shows including the shoes of the team itself.
>
> Roland
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> On 29 February 2016 at 12:37, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Bravo to Tore Nilsen in this thread. Spot on.
> >
> > I mighy call myself a Hobbyists too, but I LOVE the open source community
> > version.
> >
> > Those with extra cash who desire to support the Mothership may want to
> > invest into a new LiveCode feature from time to time. Or, attend a
> LiveCode
> > event.
> >
> > I think the open source business model is splendid.
> >
> > As a hobbyists, we need to be more creative. Sell your services, get a
> > retainer, do extras with the next upgrade to customize, make money on
> ads,
> > sell a book, be a paid speaker / presenter, etc.
> >
> > Face it, open source LiveCode is still impossible for 99.99% of the world
> > to modify and cheat you from. Yake and resell without permission. And if
> > that happens, the public scorn would be bad. The backlash would be ugly.
> >
> > Mark Rauterkus
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