Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

[Paul Richards]

Not a CMS builder, but a drag & drop webpage builder - to quote "No coding & free"

http://mobirise.com/ 

Paul :-) 



-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Scott Rossi
Sent: 19 August 2015 16:42
To: LiveCode Mail List <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Open Source Kickstarter Report Card

Here we go: Just 3 minutes ago, I received a announcement from Webflow for their new visual CMS:
https://webflow.com/cms

Building without programming is a popular trend :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 8/19/15, 8:35 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

>This kind of visual drag-and-drop programming UI has been done (and 
>will continue to be done) for decades, and works pretty well for simple logic.
>The whole "build without writing code" concept is pretty big right now.
>But visual programming becomes unwieldy and difficult to follow when 
>logic gets complex.  And it's unlikely that a visual interface could 
>handle all the options provided by the LiveCode language.  But for 
>simple projects, this could be useful for beginners, or when quickly building a stack.
>
>Apple's Automator has worked this way for years now, and Audio Hijack 
>on OS X is another app that recently employed a visual UI:
>https://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijack/
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
>On 8/19/15, 5:20 AM, "Roger Eller" <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
>
>>Speaking of workflows, we use a product called Automation Engine in 
>>our prepress shop.  You may not think "programming" when you hear the 
>>word "prepress", but with AE, that is exactly what it is.  We take 
>>business logic, and map it to tasks, loops, forks, file io, error handlers, etc.
>>with a graphical workflow editor.  Tasks are listed on the right, 
>>which you drag onto the workspace and arrange and connect them.  Each 
>>task has properties you set by double-clicking to open a panel.  This 
>>would be a slick way to build, or at least connect LC objects to their 
>>inputs/outputs/errors.  Have a look at this short video.  Ignore the 
>>stuff about artwork QC.
>>
>>I think a "modern" editor should be something like this... not VB6.
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnaqbH5QK8
>>
>>~Roger
>>On Aug 19, 2015 1:31 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>> > My main 'beef' with an IDE of the VB6 type is that it blocks the 
>>> > desktop from view and doesn't seem good if one wants to rearrange 
>>> > where one's palettes sit on the screen.
>>> >
>>> > Things might prove a bit awkward if one wants to make a stack as 
>>> > big as one's desktop if one cannot shunt palettes around and about.
>>> >
>>> > Of course this is all about taste (meaning it's all in the mouth) 
>>> > so it would seem best, if an all-in-one IDE like the VB6 one is to 
>>> > be introduced to have it as one of 2 options.
>>>
>>> I believe it's more than about taste with LiveCode, it's about 
>>>workflow.
>>>
>>> LiveCode isn't like other languages, where working with controls is 
>>>little  more than a drawing program because nothing there is LIVE 
>>>CODE.
>>>
>>> For us, it's less like building an app inside of an IDE as it is 
>>>running  an IDE along side our apps.  Our windows are separate 
>>>because they're real  windows, not just inert proxies.
>>>
>>> I went into this in greater detail a couple months back:
>>> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2015-May/214703.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> The Viewer widget needed for that UI will be very nice for us, but I 
>>>fear  making an IDE based around it, as it would no longer be truly 
>>>LIVE CODE.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Systems
>>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the 
>>> Web  ____________________________________________________________________
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