Business Application Framework

Roger Eller roger.e.eller at
Fri Aug 14 14:12:01 CEST 2015

Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech!  Many
of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns
us just as many beech points as anybody.  Climb down off that high horse.
We can hardly see you way up there.

Everyone should be able to have input, IMHO.
On Aug 14, 2015 6:04 AM, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at> wrote:

> > illustrates to me that the community is very concerned about the
> > possibility of a two-tiered livecode environment where we need to pay
> extra
> > to get added premium features that we all will want.
> >
> I wasn't going to post but this is such and oxymoron, and so prevalent here
> I just can't constrain myself.
> I'm not a big Dual Licence user but of those companies I deal with that do
> such a thing, it seems this is EXACTLY what happens, open source users
> DON'T get what the premium users are paying for. Lets take just one small
> example: MySQL, where an Enterprise license only costs US5000 as year. Lets
> see what features they get that the Community Users don't get:
> MySQL Fabric
> MySQL Partitioning
> MySQL Utilities
> Storage Engine: NDB
> MySQL Enterprise Dashboard
> MySQL Enterprise Advisor
> MySQL Query Analyzer
> MySQL Replication Monitor
> Hot Backup for InnoDB
> Full, Incremental, Partial, Optimistic Backup
> Full, Partial, Selective, Hot Selective Restore
> Encryption and Compression
> Point-in-Time-Recovery
> MySQL Enterprise Authentication
> MySQL Enterprise Encryption
> MySQL Enterprise Firewall
> MySQL Enterprise Audit
> Thread pool
> HA using Oracle VM Template
> HA using Oracle Linux and DRBD
> HA using Oracle Clusterware
> HA using Solaris Clustering
> HA using Windows Clustering
> Configuration and Provisioning
> Automatic Scaling
> Management and Monitoring
> ...
> and the list goes on and on.
> For the "World's most popular open source database" there seems to be a
> MASSIVE difference between the features the Community gets compared to
> those who purchase and Enterprise license. From my perspective LiveCode Ltd
> seem to be dragging their feet a bit and if I'd purchased an Enterprise
> License I might wish to complain that I'm not getting enough 'extras'.
> I, personally think I've got excellent value for money from LiveCode Ltd. I
> got what I wanted from the KickStarter campaign plus more. But maybe I just
> have a far more realistic view on life, the universe, and software
> development.
> Where I live and work there is no social security, if you don't work, you
> don't eat. It's survival of the fittest. The thought of people just
> leeching off society is just abhorrent. It's interesting how such attitudes
> make a community work, thrive and survive.
> So please, when you post negative comments about all that is wrong with the
> LiveCode Community, please include an estimate of the number of hours a
> week you spend posting to this list, and the number of hours you spend
> adding to Community Edition - either directly to the Engine/IDE or some
> Community Software like lcVCS or GLX2. Because from my perspective the only
> worrying concern with regard to LiveCode Community is the number of leeches
> compared to the numbers actually contributing.
> 1 hr posting / 0 hrs improving LC Community - I'm a leech.
> I find it interesting that the few open source communities I deal with, all
> of them suffer the same situation, those that expend the most ($, time and
> effort) in the Community seem to complain the least (as seen by the few
> previous posts focusing on what can be done to get lcVCS really working)
> and those that expend the least complain the most.
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