Strange mailing list email.

[Peter Haworth]

The article I linked to explains what's going on.  Pretty technical but
bottom line is that Yahoo and AOL changed their rules about what happens
when another mail server decides a message is spam.

There's a protocol (DMARC?) that mail servers use to ask the sending server
what they should do with messages that look like spam.  Yahoo and AOL
changed their response to that query a few weeks back from "do nothing" to
"bounce".

Under the "do nothing" rule, the receiving mail server was then free to do
whatever it usually does with spam.  Under the "bounce" rule, they bounce
the message back to the sending server (silently, meaning the sender
doesn't get a bounce message).

I guess messages to lists such as ours get caught in this  because of the
way the headers are changed by the list server software. Most receiving
servers recognize those changes and don't classify them as spam but the
DMARC rules take precedence over that.

Nobody seems to know why Yahoo and AOL did this but speculation is that
they suffered massive hack attacks that resulted in their users address
books being stolen.

I think messages ending up on the gmail spam folder are a separate issue.
 They're not getting bounced under the above scenario, they're just getting
caught in gMail's spam detection algorithms. I use gMail and very
occasionaly a message to the list used to go to my spam folder before I set
up a filter similar to Peter Brigham's

Pete
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On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:09 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I'm pretty sure it's AOL.  Their spam filters are excessive, I've had
> clients with AOL addresses I couldn't write to if my email contained
> certain trigger words. If there's a way to set up a white list it would
> probably help.
>
> On August 29, 2014 7:30:05 AM CDT, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> >I just got another notice that my list membership had been disabled due
> >excessive bounces. Happens weekly.
> >
> >
> >Not sure why.
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> >To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >Sent: Fri, Aug 29, 2014 12:35 am
> >Subject: Re: Strange mailing list email.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> Months back or maybe even last year, I had to set a gmail filter so
> >that
> >> some members' list-messages came through despite being marked as
> >spam.
> >> Alain Farmer's and Craig Newman's are such two. There may be others
> >too
> >> (not Peter Haworth's).
> >>
> >Same here, all of Craig's emails end up in my Spam as do most, but not
> >all of Alain's. Peter's did this once, but I think only because it's
> >part of this thread.
> >
> >Sorry, I should rephrase that. Gmail puts them in my Spam, as I'm keen
> >to read all of Craig's, Alain's and Peter's contributions I take them
> >out of Spam, read them, label them appropriately and save for future
> >reference. Don't wont you to get the wrong impression ;-)
> >
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