"Be This Guy"
vclement at gmail.com
Sat Oct 12 23:53:08 CEST 2013
I would be more concerned that they were not trying to do ads and did not
watch the cash flow. It sounds like they are doing the things they need to
do to be a business. My one thing is that they treat everyone equal. For
example I paid for training that was $100.00 to learn things that should be
included in the product user guides. Now 2 weeks after I paid for the
programs one of them is now offered for free. Most companies would check
back a refund the fees for any user who paid within the last 30 days. Now I
feel that I am not being treated equal to the people who are getting the
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On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
> Why do I feel that RunRev have been scraping the barrel recently?
> I wonder if the, unintended, result of their open source initiative is
> that their income has
> dropped considerably; hence the rather childish adverts.
> My e-mail inboxes (I have 2 e-mail addresses that are personal and one for
> my Devawriter)
> seem to get at least one RunRev advert a day, and, as such, I don't mind
> But there is something I don't like; the implication of these adverts
> seems to be that any old moron
> can write computer programs ; something that is palpably not true. And my
> ego feels bruised by
> the corollary that if any old moron can write computer programs with
> Livecode then I must be any old moron (and I'm not; I'm a special type of
> moron in a category of my own).
> Certainly that "BE THIS GUY" (Who would you rather be? and the answer is
> 'anybody else') advert does not
> do RunRev many favours; it comes out of the British 'dumb everything down
> to the stage where its just simply insulting' school of thought that seems
> to be pretty well all pervasive throughout the British Isles.
> This started with the slightly prognathous girl on the new RunRev website
> who is spacing out with her
> mall-rat friends (Scottish valley girls; the open sewer that runs between
> Edinburgh and Glasgow, starting
> with Westerhailes [heroin capital of the world] and moving through
> Hamilton [Buckfast tonic wine capital
> of the world]; 2 national disgraces and social bombsites whichever way you
> look at them) and has moved slowly down-market from there ("'down market'
> from Westerhailes" I hear you ask; well, I did see somebody injecting
> themselves with heroin in a carpark right smackdown by the river Tay in
> Dundee in 2003; so, if one thinks about parts of Lochee and Hilltown, it is
> just about possible).
> As somebody who has learnt about 9 programming languages (and most of the
> people on the RunRev use-list will better me there), I am well aware that
> learning to program is NOT for any old moron, and to imply so
> with "Tracy Beaker on Speed" types of adverts is disingenuous insofar as
> it gives any moronic programmer wannabees out there a distinctly wrong
> impression, and it will drive away more intelligent and motivated typoes
> towards programming languages/IDEs/packages that don't promote themselves
> through kiddy-crap.
> The whole thing reminds me of a Steve Martin film called "The Jerk",
> where, at one point, Steve Martin, playing the epynomous lead character, is
> drinking some multicolored cocktail out of a glass with a paper umbrella in
> it, and pointing at an advert the same cocktail saying "be somebody".
> "With 8 x 1 hour long lessons and a 1 hour 1-1 Skype Session and a Live
> Q&A Session every week you could produce the #1 selling app."
> Possibly; but not if you are a person who wants to "be somebody" in the
> way the advert presents things.
> RunRev produce a fantastic product; a product that can produce simple
> Powerpoint-like slideshows to incredibly complicated stuff (my Devawriter
> being about 25% along that line); so advertising Livecode like
> this is just doing RunRev a disservice.
> Jump on me.
> BUT; Please, don't keep quiet. I do feel that as parts of what RunRev
> choose to call a 'community' and
> like to tell us that we have some sort of say and input on what their
> company does, we should voice our opinions in this respect (as well as all
> the others).
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