XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you

[Pierre Sahores]

Richard,

Thanks for this useful (and strategic in about preventing problems) HOWTO alert.

Pierre

Le 22 janv. 2013 à 20:33, Richard Gaskin a écrit :

> I recently had occasion to learn a bit more about file systems than I had intended, and will share what I've learned here because it may affect some RevServer or Rev CGI installations on third-party hosts:
> 
> 
> PROBLEM: Some file I/O operations fail under XFS
> ------------------------------------------------
> Dreamhost and some other web hosting companies have begun rolling out new servers which use the XFS file system.
> 
> XFS is said to have better performance than EXT3 and even EXT4 used on most Linux systems, but apparently this comes with a risk of compatibility issues.
> 
> With LiveCode I've found two specific issues, though there may be others:
> 
> 1. put url ("file:PathToLocalFile")
> This fails, with sysError reporting 75.  Oddly, using "open..."/"read..."/"close..." works fine.
> 
> 2. put the files
> This also fails, always returning empty even when you know there are files there.
> 
> While researching this I found some comments in the RealBASIC list archives suggesting that the RB engine also has problems with the XFS file system, so this is not solely a LiveCode issue.
> 
> In fact, it seems there may be a few other programs that have also experienced problems with XFS.
> 
> 
> DIAGNOSIS
> ---------
> You can determine which file system your host is using by logging into the system via SSH and running this command:
> 
> df -T
> 
> This will produce a columnar output which lists the various volumes and their file systems available to your account.  Note the second column on the line for /home (often the last line of the output).  It's usually either EXT3, EXT4, or XFS.
> 
> If it's XFS you may want to try a quick script to verify that your system is having the same limitations I had, either attempting to get a list of files using "the files" or reading a local file using "put url...".
> 
> 
> 
> REMEDY: Short-term
> ------------------
> If your system is using XFS, the quickest short-term solution is to ask your web hosting company to move your account to a system that is both 32-bit compatible and also uses either EXT3 or EXT4.
> 
> With Dreamhost, it took a little back-and-forth via email, but as with the RealBASIC user I'd come across they eventually offered to move my accounts to a compatible system.
> 
> Hopefully your web host will be able to do the same.
> 
> 
> 
> REMEDY: Long-term
> -----------------
> With the apparent growing popularity of XFS on web servers, clearly any long-term solution will require a version of the LiveCode engine which is compatible with XFS.
> 
> I've been using my Dev Program "Quick Incident" benefits to enlist the assistance of David Williams at RunRev, who's been enormously helpful in going through the code to try to pinpoint the underlying cause.
> 
> His diagnosis is still ongoing at the moment, and as I learn more I'll report back.
> 
> If we're lucky we'll find that there are alternative API calls that RunRev could use for XFS which will take care of this.  If so, we can then expect a future version of LiveCode to be compatible with XFS.
> 
> We may also find that the issue may be a bug in the driver or other component in the system, in which case we'll have to monitor progress on that and see how it goes.
> 
> 
> Hopefully one way or another we'll have a good long-term solution in place soon.
> 
> The RunRev team is putting in an admirable effort toward this, and in the meantime if you experience file I/O issues on your web server and can verify that your host is using XFS, you may want to contact your hosting company to see if they can move your account to a machine using a different file system.
> 
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