ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

Pete pete at mollysrevenge.com
Mon Mar 26 14:01:28 EDT 2012


Roger,
I'd love to take a look at your stack but when I download it and open it in
Livecode, I get an error that it is not a stack.  This is with Livecode
5.0.2.
Pete

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Please forgive me (especially Tim)  for apparently sounding argumentative.
> Not my intent at all. I was merely trying to say that given the vastness of
> our universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is
> logical to assume a multitude of intelligent species populating our entire
> galaxy. And given the vast time scale involved, it is also logical to
> assume these alien civilizations will not have evolved simultaneously
> (criterion #1)
>
> The second criterion is that the radio active stages of technology of
> these civilizations will be short relative to these same vast time scales.
> I'm sure that I am not the first to define this criterion, but I have not
> seen it discussed before. The validity of this is discussed very briefly in
> the simulation notes. Further to this point, I would argue that ALL
> technologies have limited durations, and the simulation allows you to
> adjust it over a very long range (albeit short relative to the vast time
> scales of our galaxy) to your heart's content. I would be happy to discuss
> this at length, but it might be best to do so off-list??
>
> My simulation starts with these assumptions and explores the outcome.
> These criteria are simply derived from the statistics of the numbers
> involved. There are many more qualified than I to explain the statistics
> involved, and a few references are included in the notes of the simulation.
> For those interested I would would start with the SETI project itself at.
>
>
> http://www.seti.org/
>
> And, the Drake equation says it all . . . statically:
>
>
> http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/seti/drake_equation.html
>
> Thanks and cheers,
> Roger Guay
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:56 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:54:05 -0400
> > From: Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49
> > Message-ID: <02634A04-296A-4FBE-A626-3E7587FF9367 at mac.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> >
> > I didn't take either comment as overly argumentative but more like a
> challenge (which we tend to do on this list from time to time). For me,
> coming up with two criteria is intriguing and caught my interest. I would
> love to see more on the validity of those two criteria, but what really
> interested me was how Roger translated those to an interesting LC project.
> Very cool. I would love to hear more about that.
> >
> > -- Tom McGrath III
> > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> > 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> >
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making
> assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the
> number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature
> of our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation?
> >>
> >> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature
> off-list.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.comwrote:
> >>
> >>> Message: 9
> >>> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700
> >>> From: Tim Jones <tolistim at me.com>
> >>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
> >>> Message-ID: <DABD6B02-27FE-40E6-8DF5-3144FCE874FF at me.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> >>>
> >>> Ready to defend your thesis?  Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi
> antithesis to your points below -
> >>>
> >>> How have we determined how long the "relatively short duration" of the
> radio stage of any societies is?
> >>>
> >>> How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into
> account, that humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the
> nearby galaxy?
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico
> Fermi's question asked in the 1940's, "Where is everybody?" is still
> germane today.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two
> criteria relevant to this SETI "problem": 1) The asynchronous evolution of
> intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short
> duration of the radio stage of alien technologies.
> >>>>
> >>>> You can download this stack at:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode
> >>>>
> >>>> I welcome any feedback.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks and cheers,
> >>>> Roger Guay
> >>>> ___________
> >
>
>
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Pete
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