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Chipp Walters chipp at
Sun Oct 2 14:22:07 EDT 2011

Good sleuthing Bernard! Most valuable. I suspect if this can be tested, it would be super easy to "suck up" this exe into an app and then "spit it out" on first run.
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Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at> wrote:

> I just downloaded one of the binaries from the IM download site (the
> zip file that is meant to require no installation/windows registry
> atlerations).  No compilation was involved.  No error messages were
> thrown up in the installation (i.e. unzipping process).  I found what
> I took to be the GUI interface to IM, and fired it up.  No errors.
> The zip file was indeed 43mb, which expanded  out to 109mb.  I looked
> at the files included in the zip archive, and saw one called
> "convert.exe".  I could not imagine that Mark intends for customers to
> go through a full "end user GUI" install. So, as a test, I copied
> convert.exe into a temp directory and ran it from a command prompt.
> It complained about needing a dll, so I copied that over.  Then it ran
> without complaining, and explained what the command line options were.
> That is the kind of environment in which one would use shell to get
> an external program to do some work.
> The combined size of exe + dll combination was about 7mb.  Considering
> that the Skype client weighs in at 23mb, Chrome is 44mb, and iWorks is
> a 474mb download, I think we really need to move beyond a fixation on
> the size of an application being downloaded.  I don't use Skype more
> than once a month.  I downloaded half a gigabyte from Apple just have
> a look at Keynote.  Clearly having a large initial download does not
> stop most businesses from thriving (or Apple would have ditched iWorks
> long ago).  I imagine Graham's clients would be happy to download an
> application that was 20mb bigger if it could do what they want it to
> do.  A LiveCode + IM exe/dll + Ghostscript exe/dll might still be
> smaller than the Skype client.  My home DSL line has a (soft) limit of
> 20gb a month - many of the customers exceed that considerably and on a
> regular basis.  We are not in the days of dialup modems.  Almost the
> whole of the web is predicated on people being prepared to download
> massive files (a friend of mine was recently reduced to using a dialup
> modem for a week, and she couldn't even moderate the comments on her
> blog that way).
> My experiment was on a "Vista Home" laptop.  It didn't strike me as a
> particularly difficult nor onerous task to do this test.  And I have
> no interest in nor experience with ImageMagick.
> I surmised this is the kind of scenario that Mark was working with.
> Bernard
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Chipp Walters <chipp at> wrote:
>> FYI, the ImageMagick DL is over 43 Mb, and the GhostScript install is
>> another 12 each for 64-bit and 32-bit. Plus there's the necessity of
>> detecting which Windows OS you're on vs which to install. Creating an
>> installer which can correctly install all of this is not trivial, and it
>> will create a final installation substantially larger in filesize than the
>> LC application-- and difficult for many to download. And then there's this
>> bit of information regarding AFTER installing the compiled binary:
>> "If you have any problems, install the Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable
>> Package (x86) or Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x64). 64-bit
>> Windows requires both packages (x86 & x64)."
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