[OT] Australian internet blackout

[François Chaplais]

answer below René's post...
Le 28 janv. 2010 à 17:20, René Micout a écrit :

> Francois,
> I do not think the Hadopi law is comparable to what is happening in Australia (if I understand my English being what it is ...).
> In Australia, it seems that the government wants to censor access to some sites to protect children (?!), in France, the government would allow the possibility of suspending the internet subscription in case of illegal downloads (after several warnings ...)
> Am I mistaken?
> René
> 
> En français (c'est plus facile) :
> Cher François, 
> Je ne pense pas que la loi Hadopi soit comparable à ce qui se passe en Australie (si toutefois j'ai bien compris, mon anglais étant ce qu'il est...).
> En Australie, il semblerait que le gouvernement veuille censurer l'accès de certains sites pour protéger les enfants (?!), en France, le gouvernement voudrait permettre la possibilité de suspendre l'abonnement à internet en cas de téléchargements illégaux (après plusieurs avertissements...)
> Me trompe-je ?
> René
> 

Non, tu as raison...

in english now:
I think the important point is that the sprit of the human rights declaration (and hence of the constitution) is that the right to access information can be extended in its application to the access of the internet.
A side effect is that a deprivation of these human rights (such as being imprisoned) requires an action by justice.
In the case of children, they are not full right citizens; however, their rights have been declared at the UN some time ago, and, the management of these rights( i.e. parental responsibility) are probably written in the australian law. There is a wikipedia article on this 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child
In France, deprivation of rights of minors imply, if i am right (no pun), a decision by a judge for children.

To boil it down, international treaties give adults and children some rights, and depriving them of these rights should require at least a decision of justice with contradictory debate.






> Le 28 janv. 2010 à 16:31, François Chaplais a écrit :
> 
>> There have been some attempts at that in France. Until now, they have been thwarted by the Constitutional Council who has asserted that the right to access the internet is part of the fundamental right to access information and (implicitly) is guaranteed by the constitution. Of course the government have laid another law on the subject; I do not know what is going to happen.
>> 
>> In french:
>> 
>> Dans leur décision, les sages du Palais Royal estiment que la liberté de communication et d'expression énoncée dans la déclaration des droits de l'homme implique, "eu égard au développement généralisé d'internet", la "liberté d'accéder au services de communication au public en ligne". Ils en tirent la conclusion que la coupure de l'abonnement ne pouvait en conséquence incomber qu'au juge.
>> 
>> in english
>> In their decision, the wise men at the Palais Royal have considered that the freedom of communication and of expression as stated in the declaration of human rights implies, "considering the general growth of internet", the "freedom to access online communication". As a consequence, the termination of a(n internet) subscription could only be decided by a judge.
>> 
>> (in this law, the internet subscription could  be terminated by a simple administrative decision, without any debate).
>> 
>> May this help.
>> François 
>> 
>> Le 28 janv. 2010 à 07:15, Sarah Reichelt a écrit :
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
>>> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
>>> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
>>> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
>>> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
>>> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
>>> petition at <http://www.efa.org.au/petition/>.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sarah
>>