[OT] If programming languages were religions...

[Björnke von Gierke]

Dear Randall

Uhm... I think there's a huge misunderstanding, therefore I'll  
rephrase my statement:

Revolution (the language) is not "the xTalk", similar how "apple" is  
not "the fruits". Sure, Rev is one of many languages that can be  
called xTalk, and apples themselves are one of many fruit kinds that  
do exist. Yet, I won't claim that all fruits are apples, and therefore  
I am against your suggestion to call Revolution (the language) "the  
xTalk" from now on.

I'm also pretty sure I did not imply that RunRev (company) invented  
everything that could be called xTalk. I do think that calling the  
Revolution language "the xTalk" would actually make people assume just  
that.

Finally, I won't further participate in this... "discussion" with you  
in any way, despite being sure that you have much more to say on the  
topic.

Björnke

On 21 Dec 2008, at 18:32, Randall Reetz wrote:

> A little respect to bill atkinson at apple (hypercard's inventor)  
> and allan kay before him (the xerox parc inventor of smalltalk).  
> Please.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 12/21/2008 9:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
>
> There are three aspects that determine the fit of a development  
> system.  The first is final execution environment.  Rev is agnostic  
> to all three major platforms.  But rev is kind of limited within  
> internet facing browsers.  The second is development environment.   
> Rev's IDE is object centered as though it was an interface mockup  
> tool.  The IDE has been localized for each of the three big  
> platforms.  As with all xtalk tools, rev is a object centered  
> message passing language in which events generate messages that are  
> sent down an object stacking hierarchy until they find an object  
> which has  script that has a handler that matches.  The handler is a  
> subroutine written n the xtalk lexicon and syntax.  And this  
> scripting language, the third aspect of a development system, is  
> identical to all xtalk languages (except that it has a larger  
> function library than most).
>
> Rev can brag about its IDE and its cross platform development and  
> delivery flexibility... But it had better admit that its language is  
> xtalk and that rev neither invented it or significantly improved it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Björnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: 12/20/2008 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
>
>
> On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:41, Randall Reetz wrote:
>
>> I wish people would use the term xtalk when refering to this
>> language its structure and lexicon both come intact from hypercard
>> and smalltalk before that.  Revenue is a great integration synthesis
>> of xtalk and a cross platform runtime engines, but the language is
>> xtalk all the way in.  Seems only fair.  No?
>
> No. Time for car analogies (Noooo!!!):
>
> If someone comes to the car salesman, and says "I'd want to buy a
> Lexus". Would you argue he'd be better off to say "I'd want to buy any
> car"?
>
> Xtalk is a loose description of  types of languages, which includes
> hypercard as well as Rev. Of course the analogy will break down
> quickly if you ask 10 xtalk followers whether applescript is an xtalk
> language or not.
>
> Describing stuff is always hard, especially with the name trinity of
> RunRev marketing, but using xtalk for just one language will probably
> garner you some internet hate :)
>
> Have Fun
> Björnke
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