Revolution Web Browser Plugin

Wed Nov 1 08:39:14 EST 2006

Xavier,

I appreciate your two cents.  I understand that there are both strengths 
and weaknesses to making Revolution Projects available within a web 
browser.  At the same time I also see the very same strengths and 
weaknesses with other technologies out there that are very much in use 
today.

Take JAVA for example.  The idea is exactly the same as Revolution when 
I think of JAVA, except for my opinion that it is easier to create 
applications in Revolution than it is in JAVA.  Additionally, I feel 
that JAVA is very slow when compared to other technologies out there.

In the end, the "can of worms" is what is needed to push things forward. 
   I see the push towards U3 as a sign of that.  I think the folks at 
RunRev are looking for ways to branch out.  U3 allows them to offer up 
yet another "platform".  I just see making Revolution browser compatible 
the next step in the evolution of the program.

In the end it's RunRev's decision as to whether or not they will 
consider my enhancement request.  If they don't, I'll think of something 
else I want.  If they do... well, who knows! :)

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

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http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/

MisterX wrote:
> Ouch, what did I said at 4 AM waking up?!
> 
> I wrote a huge response for 2 hours... positive but giving away too many
> hints...
> 
> Lets rewrite clearer... sorry for the offensive words this morning to the
> better knowing...
> 
> What I mean is that you can use rev on the web but via cgi.
> 
> You can't manipulate stack parts, but then there's a bigger DOM world out
> there for the taking... I haven't tried ajax with the cgi though... don't
> know if it will handle the threads either - BUT with svg graphics, ajax
> techniques something IS definitely possible! ;)
> 
> Using Apache is probably easier and more efficient though ;)
> 
> Rev in a web page makes and doesn't make sense, though... For one, rev an an
> application maker, makes it too easy compared to the hastle of making web
> pages!
> 
> And take the browser's added weight/distraction away too! And it's faster in
> response time too. Alas, Rev is not as standard looking as the browser
> (starting but there's a big detail missing... it doesn't have the text
> publishing and DOM support.
> 
> Using rev to make web plugin applications would be awesome! Easy! Yet it
> wouldn't support DOM. HTML either wouldn't be supported correctly via
> clipboard, and the buttons wouldn't be as awkward looking sometimes... 
> 
> http://www.google.com/ig is possible though... surely...
> 
> Rev in a Web in a plugin?
> 
> Unlike Acrobat you can't really do text formating without QuarkXpress-like
> layouts in rev (watchout for text overflow...). Actually you can't make a
> simple "wordpad" emulator. You can't have different alignments per
> paragraph! Actually you can...
> 
> Unlike real html, you can't do pretty tables in rev easily either... Yes,
> there's workarounds, but then the effort required is multiplied a lot (like
> per column field)! And if you need to change the fixedlineheight to
> non-fixed, you loose the hgrids, scrolling and selecting becomes a chore in
> screen updates too...
> 
> I wrote for three hours about this because this is a can of worms! And I've
> gone through it not just once... so maybe a rev plugin for graphics would be
> cool but... im not sure it's going to be compatible or as good looking as
> the web parts around it... 
> 
> And I learned quite a bit from it! Mostly that you use the web for remote
> work. Firewalls can be a blocker for compiled apps using ports for example
> or you can't run any downloaded exe in some corporate networks/computer
> builds sometimes. But compiled apps are much faster than any web based
> system - no matter how fast your network! Ajax resolves this a bit... It
> sure makes the web closer to runrev in appearance but it's still far (light
> years) from being as easy as making apps in rev. 
> 
> Problem is that web development goes faster than light... The good thing is
> that rev can serve up any web page anytime you ask it... just point your
> browser to 127.0.0.1 to any port 80 socket waiting stack! What it replies is
> just a question of what you throw at it from rev! 
> 
> Thanks to Chipp, there's a solution to that text formating issue with
> alignments for your stacks. making html tables and dropping them into an
> altbrowser fields should be easy!
> 
> twas my 2 cents in 3 hours :)
> 
> A thousand excuses for the offlist-intended rudeness intended for those who
> tend to say no and add personal opinions or noise to signal. I wanted to say
> something fair and concrete to not disfavor neither rev's achievements and
> it's users needs.
> 
> Certainly web delivery of your stack would be cool! We can't deny the fact
> and lack of feature...
> 
> Good morning Europe
> Xavier
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of MisterX
>> Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 04:26
>> To: 'How to use Revolution'
>> Subject: RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>>
>> offlist...
>>
>> this has been requested since years (at least 5) continually.
>>
>> unfortunately it's been ignored or put-off or you will get a 
>> marketing lesson from those who think they know better in the 
>> mailist...
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Derek 
>>> Bump
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 03:54
>>> To: How to use Revolution
>>> Subject: Revolution Web Browser Plugin
>>>
>>> I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an 
>> enhancement 
>>> request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow 
>> Revolution Projects 
>>> to be viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and 
>> any other 
>>> browser out there.  Sadly, I didn't see anything.
>>>
>>> Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before?  If 
>> not, is this 
>>> something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there 
>>> already working on something like this?
>>>
>>> Derek Bump
>>> Dreamscape Software
>>>
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>>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
>>>
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