sarah.reichelt at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 02:39:23 EST 2006
The email from Xavier quoted below was NOT sent on my behalf. It
contains an email from me sent in response to a query I sent to Bryan
trying to diagnose the cause of his crashes.
However to return the the subject, many people have tested Rev 2.7
under Windows. While I do not doubt that some people are experiencing
crashes, I feel this cannot be the norm. There must be some cause and
it would be of benefit to all Rev developers if this could be found.
Here is what I would recommend for anyone experiencing frequent
crashes: start with a completely standard install, no additional
plugins, no extra libraries, backscripts or frontscripts. Make a new
stack and start working with that. If that works, then start adding
your usual bits in and see if there is any particular element of your
usual working environment that causes the problems.
In response to Xavier: if it isn't working out for you, why don't you
just stick to 2.6? It seems like no time since we were enduring much
the same sort of invective from you with regards to 2.6. I don't
remember you admitting that 2.6 ever worked for you, but as it does,
I have looked at your list of reported bugs in Bugzilla. I find 126
unfixed bugs reported by you (though some seem to be duplicates)
however only 4 of them have any votes. Of those 4, 1 is rated as
trivial, 2 as minor and only 1 as major. None of your bugs has been
sufficiently important to get ANY votes from you. If you do not attach
much importance to them and no-one else has felt them to be relevant
enough for a vote, then the Rev development team probably thinks there
are more important issues to concentrate on.
On 2/23/06, MisterX <b.xavier at internet.lu> wrote:
> > On Behalf Of
> > Sarah Reichelt
> > On 2/23/06, bryan at deepfoo.com <bryan at deepfoo.com> wrote:
> > > Kevin,
> > >
> > > It crashes simply by having the thing open. Several other people on
> > > this list have reported problems with this release, so it
> > would seem
> > > best to take these responses seriously. I have been using
> > > MetaCard/RunRev for over 6 years. I've worked in the
> > software industry
> > > for over 18 years all the way back to HyperCard 1.0. I realize it's
> > > asking a lot to trust a total stranger on this, but I do know when
> > > this sort of problem is a "me" issue and when it isn't.
> > This release
> > > is not at all like the others. It's the first one that has had
> > > crashers simply by being open. It does not have the feel of
> > something stable, at all. It has even managed to bring down
> > the machine. None of the other Rev releases have had any
> > serious issues running on exactly the same set-up. It seems
> > to me something serious got missed. And I appear not to be
> > alone in that opinion.
> > What plugins do you have Bryan? Maybe one of them is opening
> > on startup and doing something weird. While I haven't run 2.7
> > under Windows yet, many other people have done so without
> > experiencing your crashes.
> NEW BUGs!
> I pasted text from rev to outlook and rev 2.7 crashes! Seeing if I could
> reproduce it I found 2 more bugs! And another with the clipboard not
> respecting html text colors. And the select all which doesn't work on first
> I averaged at least a crash a day Sarah. I entered 200 bugs of which 100 are
> still open (10% of opened bugs), some are months old and still unconfirmed,
> some are older than a year!
> 2.7 is a big step forward (and there's even an NT event!) but given the
> circumstances under which is see Rev crash by just pasting or double
> clicking text, something else is not tested or not tested right (no insult
> meant but are windows testers also windows users? Could a windows user test
> rightfully a mac application?). And given recent developments I can't even
> test in other windows environments I have at work!
> I don't use plugins (some of which don't "look" tested on windows btw). 2.6
> didn't crash like this. I Install 2.7 and start loosing work again... that's
> not cool! And when I started to help the MC list, well, that's another
> story... But the result is clear cut on my side.
> I stand fully by Bob and Brian in the windows camp with almost their exact
> words. What 2.7 represents to me is that I have to go back review and update
> all my open bugzillas, I have to retest each stack again to make sure all is
> still ok. Save even more often than before. All worked finally great in
> 2.6... We're talking days of work to switch versions! And when 2.7.1 comes
> out, repeat again.
> Sorry, im fed up too - and to Kevin's greatest pleasure and unfortunately
> for those with questions in the mailist, it's past the point of no return.
> So long and thanks for all the stacks
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