Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

[MisterX]

I didn't post my previous mail on Judy's thoughts but this came out of it...

When my math and cs teacher asked me what I wanted to do with the trs-80
with my for-loop sitting on the screen waiting to be executed, I didn't know
what to say... what can a black and white text screen do for me? hmmm I
thought... skateboarding was a lot more fun! 

Now I know the limits, I can explore the freedom within and extend that
beyond... It's part of learning...

cheers
Xavier 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:32 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps
> 
> On 10/15/05 1:17 AM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> > IMO, the use of templates/themes is not an attempt to discourage 
> > thinking outside the box.  It is an attempt to illuminate the fact 
> > that there is, in fact, a box present, which has certain properties 
> > and rules, and one must learn the limitations of the box 
> before one can learn to think outside it.
> > 
> > What you may see as "dumbing down", others may see as education.
> 
> I agree. 'Defining what the box is' is a valuable first step. 
>  Someone who has a vague concept does not have a working 
> tool.  I can't imagine beginning architecture students who 
> have no understanding of structures and functions and 
> failures since they has been surrounded by them all their life.
> >From this basic understanding,  they can develop a working 
> knowledge of
> building design, then go beyond.
> 
> In the world of computers, using a collection of software to 
> function adequately in a business capacity is an end in its 
> own.  No need/desire for the user to go beyond and explore or 
> maximize the experience.
> 
> I feel one of the huge drawbacks to most computer programs is 
> that they are so intricate and layered that the average user 
> avoids the complexity and uses less than 1% of its 
> capability.  Frustration abounds in the workplace for more 
> than one reason, and computer systems that rapidly evolve are 
> too much of a challenge.  Simplification is oh so welcome.  
> One button = print full glorious color with accurate margins 
> and cartridges that cost $5...
> requiring only 5 seconds of our time.
> 
> To think outside the box, one must know the box, or not care 
> about the box.
> Of course, the concept that "to think outside the box, one 
> must become the box" is whole 'nuther level of philosophy.
> 
> I am definitely in favor of templates.  I am in favor of 
> allowing those who want/need/are addicted to going beyond to 
> have tremendous freedom to do so and share with the world.  
> That could actually be one of the definitions of this list.
> 
> Universities - love what they provide - ivory tower thinking 
> and research that will direct the future.  Business world - 
> love the field of operation that brings life to ideas and 
> dreams, distributes them, and employs millions of people.
> 
> And now back to one of the many boxes on my desk and in my head.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
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