To Rev or not to Rev

Sat Apr 30 10:48:05 EDT 2005

Jim,

In the early days of HC (circa 1987/88) I was already facing this
kind of objection from C or Pascal programers...
Even in the early 80's when I was experimenting with Logo, I used
to hear similar comments...

Tell your ISP that (today more than ever) only 1 thing matters :
how much time (and therefore $$$) does it take to produce reliable and
fast code to the satisfaction of your clients...
Show him a few apps made with Rev and ask him how much time (and
$$$) it would take to do the same with Java, C, etc.
Then ask him to compare the learning curve between Rev, Java, C...
One anecdote : a few years ago a friend of mine asked me to teach him
the basics of HC (he already had an experience of coding in Basic).
In less than 1 hr I managed to teach him the basic concepts, and soon he
was up and running... I'm sure the same story could apply to Rev, since
the basic concepts of both tools are similar...

As someone already said, your ISP answer is a way to avoid any depth
analysis of Rev capabilities... It's also the usual answer from ppl who
usually struggle with complex programing environments and who are
bitter to see other ppl developping sophisticated apps 2 to 5 times faster...

JB

> I know there has been lots of discussion on this topic since I joined the
> list and I know many Rev'ers on this list have converted to Rev as their dev
> language of first choice.
>
> I'm having a continuing conversation with my provider about using his sever
> to serve my Rev app.  First was he highly recommended MSSQL, which the list
> took exception to.  Then I suggested he take a look at RunRev as a
> development tool himself (hoping to get some local expertise using Rev on a
> server) and here was his reply...
>
> "it is more of scripting language that a real programming language ? which
> is awesome for the non-technical developers like me and you, but is not a
> true object oriented application language which is being taught in
> universities."
>
> I don't know what to say about that.
>
> Are there are x-talk/OOP languages that are compiled,
> or, a difference between an OOP and an x-talk language,
> or, maybe he just assumed that Rev is not a true OOP on first glance? ...
> Jim
>
> on 4/26/05 10:30 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
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> > It's one of the few databases I'd consider inferior to MySql, not
> > because it lacks cross-platform compatibility, but because it is a
> > Microsoft product ;-)
> >
> > Realistically, any of the major database servers will have advantages
> > and disadvantages compared to the others.  I personally like
> > PostgreSQL: it is free for both noncommercial *and* commercial use
> > (unlike MySql, which is only free for non-commercial use), it is
> > reasonably fast and quite powerful, fully ACID-compliant, supports
> > stored procedures, views, and so forth, has a sizable user community,
> > etc.
> >
> > And it runs just fine on my OS X box, along with Windows, Linux, and a
> > variety of other platforms.
> >
> > On Apr 26, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:
> >
> >> What about the differences between MySQL and MSSQL.  The proponents of
> >> MSSQL
> >> are adamant that it is far better.  Is it really?  Of course, it's not
> >> x-platform, which is a mark against it in my books... Jim
> >>
> >> on 4/25/05 3:58 PM, Bill wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes I agree that SQL is the way to go. I can't wait until the MySQL to
> >>> SQLite utility is released so that I can try SQLite. I think it will
> >>> be
> >>> faster at connecting.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/25/05 2:17 PM, "Dan Shafer" <revdan at danshafer.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone else thinking along these lines?
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