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[Michael Reade]

Wow, Andre, you make me want dive in the deep end of the pool!  Especially
if you come from an RB background. What's more, unlike you, I'm NOT a
programmer, which makes this sound all the more appetizing.

The SQLite news is very exciting, as I would like to be able to embed
databases ‹ as well as multi-user database solutions.

How about generating reports? I know that RB is limited in that, and one
ends up having to buy some plug in...

And one last thing: falo portugues tambem. Sou brasileiro.

I'm excited about this.

All the best,

Michael Reade




on 3/18/04 3:13 PM, Andre Garzia at soapdog at mac.com wrote:

> 
> On Mar 18, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Michael Reade wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I've been a Filemaker developer for a few years, and am looking for a
>> development environment to connect to a backend (Openbase, MySQL,
>> something
>> like that).
>> 
>> I started to pick up RealBasic, and then I heard of RunRev. I read an
>> white
>> paper by Geoff Canyon, from September 2001, which was very
>> informative, but
>> a bit old.
>> 
>> I appreciate it if anyone can direct me towards any recent literature,
>> or
>> might want to forward any opinions, regarding RunRev x RealBasic, and
>> RunRev
>> connecting to databases.
> 
> Micheael Reade,
> 
> Although I am not one of the major players here :-D I can give you some
> hints and tell about my experience so far for I am making heavy use of
> database here and got a good REALBasic background.
> 
> I begun programming for MacOS with REALBasic and did a nice app called
> iblog (http://iblog.soapdog.org), that time I thought REALBasic was
> everything and was overhelmed with the ease of use of RAD tools (I was
> switching away from Linux and Win32). Since I've got a Delphi and VB
> background, I was home with RB. Very nice RAD Tool indeed. Times
> changed, apple launched MacOS X and I was pennyless to buy RB upgrades
> so I decided to check what my options were. I started learning C and
> Cocoa stuff, clever things, but I hate C... and yet, I launched iBlog
> successor in Objective-C, called BlogWorkz
> (http://blogworkz.soapdog.org).
> 
> Then I stumbled in HyperCard articles, find the idea interesting and
> started looking around, found supercard and metacard and RunRev with
> it's 1.0 free edition (that was called something else), I read that the
> only limitation was a 10-line-limitation in the source of your
> functions. I thought: "no one can do things in less than 10 lines".
> Well after reading the included tutorials, I saved money, waited for
> the 2.0 release, and bought a nice studio license.
> 
> I launched my own software house called Soap Dog Studios
> (http://www.soapdog.org) and started delivering solutions based on
> Revolution. First, it took me two days to reimplement BlogWorkz/iBlog
> functionality in Revolution, and that includes creating my own
> implementation of XML-RPC. After fiddling much with internet protocols,
> I joined a contract for a Database based app, never worked with
> Database in Rev before, it's plain easy. First you have a marvelous
> tool called the Database Query Builder, if you need only simple queries
> and transparent transport between query data and your text fields, this
> will serve you with no programming required. If you mix it with the DB
> funcs then you can do anything. Best of all, the API is very elegant
> and serves all RDBMS, no matter if it's valentina or mysql or oracle,
> it's the same API. You'll open a connection to a remote MySQL server in
> a single line, you can query it and close it, three lines at all.. or
> use Database Query Builder, and use no line at all! :D
> 
> Be aware that there are some undocumented functions for Database that
> can realy save the day. This list is the most usefull group in the
> world. People here are friendly, they actually answer your emails and
> smile. They can point you to numerous resources till you get the grip
> to investigate the bowels of Revolution on your own. This "hidden"
> functions can serve for example to change at runtime the query of a
> auto-query built with Database Query Builder, this is pretty usefull
> for SELECT ... WHERE queries. Also, we're waiting for a SQLite external
> that will enable us to deliver database solutions that won't need the
> fuss of a server instalation (of course you can buy valentina and be
> happy just now!).
> 
> Revolution is just more productive than RB. There's no code-build-debug
> cycle, it's easier to reuse code, those internet protocols are easier
> to use and stacks abllity to save it's state is very handy. I for
> example, am very involved with a project I call the revHTTPd project
> (a.k.a. the serverworkz framework), it's a WebServer and Framework
> build in pure transcript language with advanced features like automatic
> data transportation from/to html forms and stacks, database
> manipulation via web and the like. This is not possible in RB, the
> complexities of such project would render it impossible for a one-man
> team to do it. I couple days, I've got it all running, the server and
> the framework, the hard part was learning HTTP, coding in Revolution
> was the easy task.
> 
> Keep in mind that your not only buying a programmer tool. Revolution
> can truly change the way you plan and deliver you solutions, for
> example, I am also a BeOS programmer, there I must use C for coding, I
> use 80% of my time cursing C and 20% coding.. :-D
> 
> Also, the one thing I find great about Revolution is the nice gathering
> of people around it. The community is strong and helpfull, we've got
> Dan book, we've got the insights of Dar in those primes, we've got
> those fine articles of Richard in the 4W Rev Embassy, all those tactile
> media stacks by Scott that makes me wonder when we'll launch the first
> arcade game made in Rev, the nice SMTP lib by Shao Sean, the collection
> of code snipets and XML Lib by Ray of sons of the thunder, nice tools
> and code by Klaus... and a lot of other people here (from newbies to
> RunRev employees) that I'll not mention for this is an email and not a
> political propaganda for my future candidature and I promissed to quote
> less than 10 names. Well, the resume is, it's not just the tool, it's
> the group. This list will learn and teach with you, and if you decide
> to join the Revolution there's still time for booking for that nice
> trip to malta that people here are organizing.
> 
> Oh... I was forgeting... in RB you cannot build for MacOS Classic,
> MacOS X, Win32, Linux, FreeBSD, Irix, AIX, HP-UX with the click of a
> button :D
> 
> PS: I am a native portuguese speaking person, so my english is
> sometimes fuzzy.
> 
> I'll put some literature links here, I also advise to get Rev.NET
> plugin stack, and if you got the money buy Rev book from Dan.
> 
> Fourth World Revolution Embassy (read the articleeees!!!)
> http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/index.html
> 
> Sons Of The Thunder Resources
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/devres.htm
> 
> 
> Dar Scott (read the message primer... )
> http://www.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html
> 
> The Book by Dan
> http://www.revolutionpros.com
> 
> Oh hell... I am reinventing the wheell again!!! I can just point you to
> Revolution WebRing and all the links are there, silly me.
> http://h.webring.com/hub?ring=runtimerevoluti1
> 
> Also check on Altuit site and TactileMedia site, they've got really
> impressive apps made in Rev, they are not only code-impressive but a
> real eye candy, I wish I had a designer here too!
> 
> I know I must be forgeting someone or something... I just awoke, I am a
> little sleepy...
> 
> Cheers
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Michael Reade