Rev's Web-centricity (was: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea tosell Dan's book widely))

[Pierre Sahores]

Grettings, All,

In about marketing/pedagogic tasks, the need is always to repeat and 
repeat, again and again... Thanks for the inputs, Xavier. I vote for 
having "Revolution Powered Web-Service" banners all over the Rev 
powered / dedicated web-services too !

Le 9 août 04, à 10:59, MisterX a écrit :

> Sorry, but i just finished my 2nd cup of coffee and my brain fog
> cleared up...
>
> In my 2 reasons for getting RR studio, #2 reason was that you can still
> run the stack format on any platform and do it all.
>
> And for the RevOnline "experience", it would be great to have it both
> web based in addition to Mac based. Easier for the RevUser (some prefer
> web to stack based navigation?) and nice to see for the newcomer or
> visitor to navigate.
>
> If the website of RunRev mentioned something like
>
> This site made and running with a RunRev over Apache
>
>
> Wouldn't that be something to consider for Java/PHP/Flash/SQL
> users?
>
> Can RR perform? ;)
> I have my ideas how it can with Win2003 servers.
> Im sure that Kevin and company are considering our ideas as fast
> as they pour in but at the end of the day, it takes time and man
> years to make this work. This discussion has been really a big
> feast of thoughts! Dan's book will honor my library... I have to
> know what made this thread mushroom!
>
> Cheers
> Xa
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>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of MisterX
>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:09
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: RE: Rev's Web-centricity (was: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: 
>> Plea
>> tosell Dan's book widely))
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>> Beyond that, what other things might help make the value of choosing 
>>> Rev
>>> more self-evident?
>>>
>>> The value's there.  The problem isn't the tool, it's communicating 
>>> what
>>> the tool has already accomplished.
>>
>> RR is like a cult - much like ska music - it has a worldwide 
>> following,
>> it's extremely popular if not fanatic following, it's clearly a superb
>> idea that moves and jostles your motivation to do better, offers an
>> incredible resourcefullness in variety of styles.
>>
>> But compared to trendy things like Disco, House, Rap/HipHop, and 
>> Techno
>> today, it will never get the spotlight - except for a exceptional 
>> songs/
>> stacks. There is a question of getting a big publishing/recording 
>> label
>> behind you.
>>
>> I bought the PC studio license because - 1) I have potentially 10X 
>> more
>> users (and note that this ratio doesn't really justify buying a 
>> license
>> for another platform - but Im sure this is not a real issue once a 
>> soft
>> is successful, 2) Im have this hobby of creating/designing/writing and
>> RunRev is the digital tool that does it ALL.
>>
>> I find the lack of Made-in-RR applications around the web to be 
>> probably
>> the biggest loss in show of commercial capability, marketing 
>> visibility
>> power (any one has the potential Moft look on the net) is needed - 
>> like
>> an article or banner on Slashdot. After that, continued articles (one 
>> a
>> month eg) would keep the flow in... Good old marketing wave function.
>>
>> A few how-tos with graphics on the web would be cool to demonstrate 
>> the
>> disparate advantages of RR.
>>
>> If you look at niche products like Satelite decoders (my dreambox in
>> particular but others as well), PHPNuke, FruityLoops and countless 
>> others,
>> the show of force that brings the crowd to the website is the web 
>> Forum.
>> Not only it serves as a live FAQ and an organized place for things 
>> like
>> release announcements, Plat-x issues, Heather news, etc...
>>
>> Today, if that moves to the RevOnline, you will loose that 
>> visibility. I
>> really suggest you look at FruityLoops forums and excellent website at
>> www.flstudio.com. They have a tool much like RR but for music and 
>> their
>> user crowd is amazing in display of help, samples, songs, you name it.
>> If RR had this, we wouldn't be having this talk. And note that FL is
>> PC only - made with Delphi. Delphi's web site is not bad either BTW.
>>
>> Since HyperCard met the net, this forum visibility has been moved 
>> mostly
>> from maillist to maillist. But this form is not well exposed
>> IMOHO to either
>> new comers or visitors and is severly limited by its text-only 
>> appearance
>> which is not a good example of the platform. The web presence of RR 
>> is far
>> from what HC was... But HC was, well, a 32K BW Apple-limited tool. It 
>> was
>> well marketed in the beginning.
>>
>> An interesting question/comparison is Filemaker today on PCs... Media
>> marketing over info-world and pc world didn't do much... But repeat
>> marketing is known to have a bigger effect over long-term. It has 
>> worked
>> on the Mac I believe. How many of us found RunRev while seeing a web 
>> ad?
>>
>> So there, without getting into the tech details of RR, just looking at
>> the client's web view, the visibility is still a handful of webs with 
>> a
>> handful of links - which are not even complete - few have externals, 
>> HC
>> libraries (infomac or hyperarchive.mit, not to mention my own) <:(
>>
>> Would Google ads do better than Slashdot's? Why not try both.
>> Again, Fruity
>> Loops Studio is available on Tucows - Wouldn't that be part of
>> its success?
>> No, they had magazines include them on CDs, make articles on them and 
>> they
>> make IMPRESSIVE demos of the capabilities of their products. Try their
>> demo, it's spectacular and not as expensive as RR. Which is the 
>> source of
>> their success? It certainly is not the features which we could 
>> compare as
>> powerful as RR's.
>>
>> This thread is a definitely good marketing tutor, thinktank!
>>
>> cheers
>> Xavier
>>
>>
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