Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
Sean Cole (Pi)
sean at pidigital.co.uk
Thu Sep 2 22:05:05 EDT 2021
Hi Lagi,
I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz) and
2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly).
Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores
and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times longer
in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag and
bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode
slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE.
I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for you.
It sounds a bit odd to me.
On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running on a
> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
> treacle.
> <<
>
> As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your experience
> on the cloud? I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you have.
> The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself is
> really slow (a 4yo laptop). On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel, the
> latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5
> Windows machine.
>
> It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only found
> in some odd cases.
>
> Regards, Bernard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
> > something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the
> > way
> > so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
> >
> > You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension,
> > and by the time they answer
> > you get cheesed off and remove the program.
> >
> > The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months
> > (whichever comes first).
> >
> > This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting
> > for 6 months but it times out anyway.
> > Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice
> so
> > it will last 30 days.
> >
> > This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without
> > rushing.
> >
> > The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
> > customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those
> > who want to give it a good try.
> >
> > You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with an OK
> > button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
> > brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
> >
> > But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
> on a
> > 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
> > treacle.
> >
> > If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
> less
> > than 30 minutes.
> >
> > You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"
> to
> > schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
> >
> > It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and
> > some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
> > student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
> idea
> > of the lot so far)
> >
> >
> > Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky,
> > stupid and not workable suggestions?.
> >
> > Lagi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well
> give a
> > > longer trial a shot at some point.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> > > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> > >
> > > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
> > > use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > True, true.
> > >
> > > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
> around
> > > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
> > > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
> > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
> > would
> > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
> option.
> > >
> > > Ralph DiMola
> > > IT Director
> > > Evergreen Information Services
> > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode
> > > Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
> > > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
> > >
> > > Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
> > > non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
> > > download that.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> > > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> > >
> > > On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael
> Kristensen
> > > via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi there
> > >
> > > I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
> Edition
> > >
> > > That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
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