From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Sep  1 07:53:00 2020
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:53:00 +0200
Subject: ...and now for something completely off the wall...
In-Reply-To: <0d28b27f-9b58-8113-3498-0b3d295a3f3b@gmail.com>
References: <dafcefd2-3ac4-01cd-fb0d-e4a2ae635fc4@sonic.net>
 <B9781466-EE9C-465E-A331-E99D8EB0E72D@iotecdigital.com>
 <d27638df-1d44-853e-29de-2300b7593345@gmail.com>
 <827CEE4B-6195-450D-B794-0587C82C8C99@iotecdigital.com>
 <0d28b27f-9b58-8113-3498-0b3d295a3f3b@gmail.com>
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Richmond, is this Scots or just badly spelled 16th Century English? A genuine enquiry

The stait of man dois change and vary,
Now sound, now seik, now blith, now sary,
Now dansand mery, now like to dee;
Timor mortis conturbat me.

Graham

> On 28 Aug 2020, at 21:22, Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Very droll: that's a load of Frenchies having fun.
> 
> On 28.08.20 19:44, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> If the painting is any indication of a real event, the Scots would be well advised to build their bon fires a wee bit further from the wooden ladders they are torturing their victims on. :-)
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I suppose it is funny: about as funny as pointing out to those people in Utah who spawned this idiot that
>>> undder Scots law as a citizen of a Scottish colony whose indepndence is only de facto under Scots law he should
>>> suffer the death sentence for treason: drawing and quartering.
>>> 
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/BNMsFr2643FroissartFol97vExecHughDespenser.jpg
>>> 
>>> On 28.08.20 18:54, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Almost every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia is written by one American teenager who can't speak Scots
>>>>> 
>>>>> "A veelage is a clustered human settlement or community, larger than a hamlet but smawer than a toun, wi a population rangin frae a few hunder tae a few thoosand (sometimes tens o thoosands)."
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://boingboing.net/2020/08/27/almost-every-article-on-the-sc.html
>>>>> https://www.scotslanguage.com/news/5724
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Tue Sep  1 09:25:07 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:25:07 -0400
Subject: formattedRect, formattedLeft, formattedWidth of chunks
Message-ID: <5088ff38-ccf9-a0e6-dd81-0c8039df4f73@researchware.com>

Just a heads up to anyone else out there who may be having VERY hard to 
track down crashes in LC 9.x.x.

The following functions: formattedRect, formattedLeft, formattedWidth 
when operating on chunk expressions (i.e. char X to Y of field Z) can 
cause an engine crash for certain field content.

This is present in all versions of LC 9.x.x (actual back to some version 
of LC8)

The issue is when the chuck contains tab characters.

See https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22882

FYI: formattedTop and formattedHeight of chunks still work.




From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Sep  1 13:35:16 2020
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:35:16 -0400
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <d0719d2f-c9a6-f3db-0167-82b1c3e1604b@sonic.net>
References: <CADCoycMZr5X_R=Ln_nYy24MYrMfXm611hkgN=H_stXuk6x6rMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d0719d2f-c9a6-f3db-0167-82b1c3e1604b@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJSrg688A5jx_tZPSm_VgLiHzrHKiLn0KefpdfmKo7G1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmmm..... good question Mark...I certainly don't want to do any work thats
going to sit there for a year+

Maybe someone from the mothership can give a yay or nay.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:55 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 8/27/20 9:05 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Please discuss, here, add a repo and/or an update that you would like to
> > see to a particular repo (include a link to the repo), and let's see if
> we
> > can get a bunch of LC Hackers, this year.
> >
>
> Kind of an exercise in futility, though, no?
> I submitted... let's see... (goes off and counts)... nine pull requests
> against LC last October (two for the engine, seven for the IDE) and
> they're still sitting in the hopper waiting to be reviewed.
> Why bother "fixing" things when nobody's paying attention?
>
> (the above is somewhat rhetorical since I just submitted another PR
> earlier today.. not that I expect any action on it)
>
> --
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Sep  1 17:49:49 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 21:49:49 +0000
Subject: formattedRect, formattedLeft, formattedWidth of chunks
In-Reply-To: <5088ff38-ccf9-a0e6-dd81-0c8039df4f73@researchware.com>
References: <5088ff38-ccf9-a0e6-dd81-0c8039df4f73@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <E8A14C2E-E315-4EFE-AAA3-D86F7B2F7D5D@iotecdigital.com>

I have a great many of these. I?ll keep a lookout.

Bob S


On Sep 1, 2020, at 6:25 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

formattedWidth


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Sep  1 18:52:20 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 18:52:20 -0400
Subject: formattedRect, formattedLeft, formattedWidth of chunks
In-Reply-To: <E8A14C2E-E315-4EFE-AAA3-D86F7B2F7D5D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5088ff38-ccf9-a0e6-dd81-0c8039df4f73@researchware.com>
 <E8A14C2E-E315-4EFE-AAA3-D86F7B2F7D5D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <86747992-19f0-cf99-092d-e654283ebac4@researchware.com>

If you control the content, it is probably not an issue. In our case, 
the content and the ranges (char x to y) are set by the people that use 
our product - we have no control - so we end up with customer's trying 
to do their research and suddenly our product hard crashes, sometimes 
resulting in lost work. They don't understand why since bunches of other 
documents they are working with all process fine. Even the document that 
is causing the crash may seem fine UNTIL they add a bookmarked range 
that includes the tabs. As tabs are invisible in MS-Word and a lot of 
MS-Word user are not really skilled at formatting, they may end up with 
tabs in their documents that they are not even aware they are there.

This one really was a pain to track down as we had to get a customer, 
with the crashing, who was willing to provide their whole research study 
so we could reproducethe error in-house and then tracing it down in the 
IDE took a very long time to go through the 1000's of lines of code to 
find the crash on the 'formattedRect' call.


On 9/1/2020 5:49 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a great many of these. I?ll keep a lookout.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2020, at 6:25 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> formattedWidth
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Sep  1 19:04:36 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 23:04:36 +0000
Subject: formattedRect, formattedLeft, formattedWidth of chunks
In-Reply-To: <86747992-19f0-cf99-092d-e654283ebac4@researchware.com>
References: <5088ff38-ccf9-a0e6-dd81-0c8039df4f73@researchware.com>
 <E8A14C2E-E315-4EFE-AAA3-D86F7B2F7D5D@iotecdigital.com>
 <86747992-19f0-cf99-092d-e654283ebac4@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <44591BEB-69C4-4EDD-9153-C48C71BFE6AE@iotecdigital.com>

When data causes the crash it?s the worst. I had an issue with drag-dropping text from a PDF not knowing that Adobe uses all kinds of non-printing characters. I wrote a cleanASCII function for just that purpose


Bob S


On Sep 1, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

If you control the content, it is probably not an issue. In our case, the content and the ranges (char x to y) are set by the people that use our product - we have no control - so we end up with customer's trying to do their research and suddenly our product hard crashes, sometimes resulting in lost work. They don't understand why since bunches of other documents they are working with all process fine. Even the document that is causing the crash may seem fine UNTIL they add a bookmarked range that includes the tabs. As tabs are invisible in MS-Word and a lot of MS-Word user are not really skilled at formatting, they may end up with tabs in their documents that they are not even aware they are there.

This one really was a pain to track down as we had to get a customer, with the crashing, who was willing to provide their whole research study so we could reproducethe error in-house and then tracing it down in the IDE took a very long time to go through the 1000's of lines of code to find the crash on the 'formattedRect' call.


On 9/1/2020 5:49 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
I have a great many of these. I?ll keep a lookout.

Bob S


From ivar.andreassen at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 02:47:13 2020
From: ivar.andreassen at gmail.com (Ivar Andreassen)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:47:13 +0200
Subject: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area
Message-ID: <CAAN0Dzi0S1-muxy6BOpoOj=-eKOeNO6sJyKubrx+utBnFv9AHQ@mail.gmail.com>

A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
"Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location is
that we want you physically present in our team meetings.

We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
work on apps and back end solutions.

Send an e-mail to ivar.andreassen at gmail.com, or reach out to me on Linkedin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/

Regards
Ivar Andreassen


From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Sep  2 03:07:09 2020
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 00:07:09 -0700
Subject: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area
In-Reply-To: <CAAN0Dzi0S1-muxy6BOpoOj=-eKOeNO6sJyKubrx+utBnFv9AHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAN0Dzi0S1-muxy6BOpoOj=-eKOeNO6sJyKubrx+utBnFv9AHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+DZOFyv-+5VncP-TpCe2F69k1qq+JaE1t7K5degqwUkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wow. Looking forward to the success story.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 23:48 Ivar Andreassen via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
>
> professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
>
> "Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location is
>
> that we want you physically present in our team meetings.
>
>
>
> We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
>
> onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
>
> work on apps and back end solutions.
>
>
>
> Send an e-mail to ivar.andreassen at gmail.com, or reach out to me on
> Linkedin
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Ivar Andreassen
>
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Wed Sep  2 04:47:45 2020
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:47:45 +0200
Subject: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area
In-Reply-To: <CAAN0Dzi0S1-muxy6BOpoOj=-eKOeNO6sJyKubrx+utBnFv9AHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAN0Dzi0S1-muxy6BOpoOj=-eKOeNO6sJyKubrx+utBnFv9AHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56BFC203-4EF3-4C25-995F-7A112F8373BE@me.com>

And I thought I was the only person in Rogaland County using LiveCode. I have been teaching Information Technology at an upper secondary school in Haugesund for the last seven years, using LiveCode.  I would very much like to keep tabs on what you are doing. It may be of interest to both me and my students to connect with a professional organization that uses LiveCode. 

Best of luck with your project.

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

> 2. sep. 2020 kl. 08:47 skrev Ivar Andreassen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
> professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
> "Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location is
> that we want you physically present in our team meetings.
> 
> We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
> onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
> work on apps and back end solutions.
> 
> Send an e-mail to ivar.andreassen at gmail.com, or reach out to me on Linkedin
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/
> 
> Regards
> Ivar Andreassen
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  2 08:55:43 2020
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:55:43 -0400
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJSrg688A5jx_tZPSm_VgLiHzrHKiLn0KefpdfmKo7G1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMZr5X_R=Ln_nYy24MYrMfXm611hkgN=H_stXuk6x6rMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d0719d2f-c9a6-f3db-0167-82b1c3e1604b@sonic.net>
 <CAPzQJLJSrg688A5jx_tZPSm_VgLiHzrHKiLn0KefpdfmKo7G1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNgR6Jj9n6j61A1GgXNHhwvH1NipYdYb4ovpCUC2jCo6w@mail.gmail.com>

there isn't any reason why we can't have a fork of the ide that doesn't sit
around waiting for themuns to say "ok".

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 1:36 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hmmmm..... good question Mark...I certainly don't want to do any work thats
> going to sit there for a year+
>
> Maybe someone from the mothership can give a yay or nay.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:55 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 8/27/20 9:05 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Please discuss, here, add a repo and/or an update that you would like
> to
> > > see to a particular repo (include a link to the repo), and let's see if
> > we
> > > can get a bunch of LC Hackers, this year.
> > >
> >
> > Kind of an exercise in futility, though, no?
> > I submitted... let's see... (goes off and counts)... nine pull requests
> > against LC last October (two for the engine, seven for the IDE) and
> > they're still sitting in the hopper waiting to be reviewed.
> > Why bother "fixing" things when nobody's paying attention?
> >
> > (the above is somewhat rhetorical since I just submitted another PR
> > earlier today.. not that I expect any action on it)
> >
> > --
> >   Mark Wieder
> >   ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 10:15:27 2020
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 21:15:27 +0700
Subject: Layers in PBrowser
In-Reply-To: <AEB14295-34B1-49C7-8444-AE14F98C762E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSTC3Luo1oZxqweFonX2mO0mf7cOaP1rNXy_MCBZPaK3hA@mail.gmail.com>
 <61B78F95-54CA-4A1D-9114-6015676F998C@m-r-d.de>
 <CABRqQSQ737fN41=M-GwVLoYomG773CnUMu_HxgFw9V95hs5ZvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKtpm3R8zSLhgVJ5v6+6WqMQtWqyu5PC4JFEuBzu_RE7QTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AEB14295-34B1-49C7-8444-AE14F98C762E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp6N=hAPudVpM6aV25WUFKCuEA0YLhmHfwdVh9fRSVcAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob,

Goes to show how important user research is. For me personally, I want to
get Navigator out of the way entirely when I minimize it. It's trivial to
have a preference to make it minimize in place. But also: I went to some
length to have it avoid minimizing behind/on top of (don't remember which
way it went) the menu bar. I think I could easily both:

1. Offer a preference to minimize where it is
2. Automatically avoid overlapping the GLX2 bar. Can you send me the name
of any stacks involved to avoid? I haven't looked, but I think it would be
as simple as adding a stack name to a list.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean. I concur with Geoff. There were quite a while ago issues, but
> Geoff got on them and now I use Navigator all the time. The only thing I
> will say Geoff is that when I drag the window to a location, I would like
> it to remain there, even when minimized. It always reverts to a default
> location when first opened, which happens to overlap the GLX2 bar.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hey Sean,
>
> Late to the conversation because Navigator is a hobby, but: I've worked
> *really* hard to make drag-and-drop relayering work properly.
>
> I've implemented it almost from scratch something like five times over the
> years, each time because I reached a dead end with the previous method (or
> sometimes because I'd reached a dead end with the previous method of
> implementing drag and drop.
>
> Which is to say: drag and drop has a large number of special cases, and is
> very hard to get right. Anyone attempting it has my sympathies.
>
> *That* said, there are only a very small number of problematic use cases in
> Navigator that I know of. If the latest (which has been out for some time
> now) update of Navigator doesn't relayer the way you think it should, email
> me directly and let me know.
>
> gc
>
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 10:54:36 2020
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:54:36 +0100
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>

I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays

Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 10:59:43 2020
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:59:43 +0100
Subject: iOS sharing extension - anyone ever made one?
In-Reply-To: <98eddab7-85b6-4038-b121-82fd05c0161e@Spark>
References: <CAGASioOCvZ7==Xfie--9hiJseQ_GA9or+fXBUqii1qBv5p6JgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <a300c3c8-d31f-4758-8fab-542bac1c1069@cogapp.com>
 <98eddab7-85b6-4038-b121-82fd05c0161e@Spark>
Message-ID: <08868fae-80f2-4db2-aa9d-cdb0869984cf@Spark>

I?m still having no joy figuring our how to make a sharing extension for a Livecode app. Has anyone ever done this?
On 25 Jun 2020, 21:05 +0100, David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Having another go at creating an iOS Share extension in Livecode.
>
> Ben I had a go with the code snippets you supplied, but I?m not getting my app appearing in the list of apps available to share. I had a bit of a goose around and tried a bunch of options for the info.plist file without result - well in fact I?m getting the app launching with a black screen and then crashing if I use the following style recipe:
	> <key>NSExtension</key>
	> ?<dict>
	> ?<key>NSExtensionAttributes</key>
	> ?<dict>
	> ?<key>NSExtensionActivationRule</key>
	> ?<string>TRUEPREDICATE</string>
	> ?</dict>
	> ?<key>NSExtensionMainStoryboard</key>
	> ?<string>MainInterface</string>
	> ?<key>NSExtensionPointIdentifier</key>
	> ?<string>com.apple.share-services</string>
	> ?</dict>
>
> This type of plist addition:
	> <key>CFBundleDocumentTypes</key>
> 	<array>
> 	<dict>
> 	<key>CFBundleTypeName</key>
> 	<string>Sound Garden</string>
> 	<key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
> 	<string>Editor</string>
> 	<key>LSItemContentTypes</key>
> 	<array>
> 	<string>public.plain-text</string>
> 	</array>
> 	<key>LSHandlerRank</key>
> 	<string>Alternate</string>
> 	</dict>
> 	<dict>
> 	<key>CFBundleTypeName</key>
> 	<string>Audio</string>
> 	<key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
> 	<string>Editor</string>
> 	<key>LSItemContentTypes</key>
> 	<array>
> 	<string>public.audio</string>
> 	</array>
> 	<key>LSHandlerRank</key>
> 	<string>Alternate</string>
> 	</dict>
> 	</array>
>
> Does not crash the app - but appears to do nothing? The following lesson appears related -?http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/1069016-associating-a-file-type-file-extension-with-an-lc-ios-app?and I note there are / were issues with iPhone X and this lesson.
>
> My basic question is how do I get an iOS app to work with as an iOS sharing extension such that in any app (say a web browser) where I select the share icon I can use my Livecode app as something that handles the share?
> On 20 Nov 2018, 18:40 +0000, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > You need to do two things:
> >
> > - add code in your app to handle the "urlWakeUp" message, see the dictionary
> > entry and
> > http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/58672-using-custom-url-schemes
> >
> > - add entries in the app's plist to tell the operating system what file types
> > your app can handle, see
> > https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/General/Reference/InfoPlistKeyReference/Articles/CoreFoundationKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001431-101685
> >
> > The latter is the bit you need to do for iOS - not sure what the Android
> > equivalent is.
> >
> >
> > On 19/11/2018 20:35, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote:
> > > How could I create the ability for Livecode mobile apps - say iOS but
> > > ideally also on Android) to add the ability for other apps to share to them?
> > >
> > > -
> > > https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/General/Conceptual/ExtensibilityPG/Share.html
> > >
> > > I can't find any thread here or in the forums?
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From jeejeestudio at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 11:01:32 2020
From: jeejeestudio at gmail.com (JeeJeeStudio)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:01:32 +0200
Subject: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area
In-Reply-To: <56BFC203-4EF3-4C25-995F-7A112F8373BE@me.com>
References: <CAAN0Dzi0S1-muxy6BOpoOj=-eKOeNO6sJyKubrx+utBnFv9AHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <56BFC203-4EF3-4C25-995F-7A112F8373BE@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqiJnk6EnwJPDKToK8u+KcUM_+-6hf0NeFdaLFgF5wFgFc+hQ@mail.gmail.com>

Off topic-- Ah Stavanger, i was there on motor holiday in 1995 or 96. Very
nice to see the Fjords.
On topic-- Keep us posted, most interested. But i'm Dutch, living in
Belgium since a few months. So if you can't find people, it can be done
remote.

Tak, Jerry

Op wo 2 sep. 2020 10:48 schreef Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:

> And I thought I was the only person in Rogaland County using LiveCode. I
> have been teaching Information Technology at an upper secondary school in
> Haugesund for the last seven years, using LiveCode.  I would very much like
> to keep tabs on what you are doing. It may be of interest to both me and my
> students to connect with a professional organization that uses LiveCode.
>
> Best of luck with your project.
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
> > 2. sep. 2020 kl. 08:47 skrev Ivar Andreassen via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
> > professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
> > "Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location
> is
> > that we want you physically present in our team meetings.
> >
> > We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
> > onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
> > work on apps and back end solutions.
> >
> > Send an e-mail to ivar.andreassen at gmail.com, or reach out to me on
> Linkedin
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/
> >
> > Regards
> > Ivar Andreassen
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Sep  2 11:24:07 2020
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 11:24:07 -0400
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
Message-ID: <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>

David,

Nope you have to sort them NUMERIC. As you said this is the only way I know of. I do this all the time. I don't know of any other way.

put the keys of tMyArray into tKeys
sort lines of tKeys numeric
repeat for each line tKey in tKeys

-- do what you want with tMyArray[tKey]
-- this line will put the array data in the message box (assuming there is no other sub keys in each numeric array entry).
put tMyArray[tKey] into tMyVar

end repeat

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Bovill via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 10:55 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: David Bovill
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array

I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays

Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep  2 11:22:10 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:22:10 +0000
Subject: Layers in PBrowser
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp6N=hAPudVpM6aV25WUFKCuEA0YLhmHfwdVh9fRSVcAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSTC3Luo1oZxqweFonX2mO0mf7cOaP1rNXy_MCBZPaK3hA@mail.gmail.com>
 <61B78F95-54CA-4A1D-9114-6015676F998C@m-r-d.de>
 <CABRqQSQ737fN41=M-GwVLoYomG773CnUMu_HxgFw9V95hs5ZvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKtpm3R8zSLhgVJ5v6+6WqMQtWqyu5PC4JFEuBzu_RE7QTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AEB14295-34B1-49C7-8444-AE14F98C762E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp6N=hAPudVpM6aV25WUFKCuEA0YLhmHfwdVh9fRSVcAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2FA28B6-BEEC-4AD3-ADB8-FC585A2BA19D@iotecdigital.com>

Looks like revGLX2 status.

Bob S


On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:15 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Goes to show how important user research is. For me personally, I want to
get Navigator out of the way entirely when I minimize it. It's trivial to
have a preference to make it minimize in place. But also: I went to some
length to have it avoid minimizing behind/on top of (don't remember which
way it went) the menu bar. I think I could easily both:

1. Offer a preference to minimize where it is
2. Automatically avoid overlapping the GLX2 bar. Can you send me the name
of any stacks involved to avoid? I haven't looked, but I think it would be
as simple as adding a stack name to a list.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Sean. I concur with Geoff. There were quite a while ago issues, but
Geoff got on them and now I use Navigator all the time. The only thing I
will say Geoff is that when I drag the window to a location, I would like
it to remain there, even when minimized. It always reverts to a default
location when first opened, which happens to overlap the GLX2 bar.

Bob S



From brian at milby7.com  Wed Sep  2 11:28:08 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 11:28:08 -0400
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
References: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
Message-ID: <136A22F8-0EE0-42C3-A07A-D829A50B7BF5@milby7.com>

As long as the array is indexed starting at 1 with no gaps it should work by looping for each element.  I just did a quick test to confirm.  I built a 100 element array and it looped in order.  I deleted 2 keys and then it didn?t.  I then added those 2 missing keys back and it worked again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 10:55 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
> 
> Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep  2 11:28:25 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:28:25 +0000
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>
Message-ID: <7DA5CCBB-4E86-43CD-8ABB-0C99287F32F5@iotecdigital.com>

Ditto, and I am not sure what noticeable impact one method would have over another. There was some blurb a long time ago about how these keys are internally sorted. I believe what was proposed is that a set of NUMERIC keys beginning with 0 would actually sort correctly. 

Bob S


> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Nope you have to sort them NUMERIC. As you said this is the only way I know of. I do this all the time. I don't know of any other way.
> 
> put the keys of tMyArray into tKeys
> sort lines of tKeys numeric
> repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
> 
> -- do what you want with tMyArray[tKey]
> -- this line will put the array data in the message box (assuming there is no other sub keys in each numeric array entry).
> put tMyArray[tKey] into tMyVar
> 
> end repeat
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Bovill via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 10:55 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: David Bovill
> Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
> 
> I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
> 
> Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Sep  2 11:30:04 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:30:04 -0700
Subject: Layers in PBrowser
In-Reply-To: <D2FA28B6-BEEC-4AD3-ADB8-FC585A2BA19D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRqQSTC3Luo1oZxqweFonX2mO0mf7cOaP1rNXy_MCBZPaK3hA@mail.gmail.com>
 <61B78F95-54CA-4A1D-9114-6015676F998C@m-r-d.de>
 <CABRqQSQ737fN41=M-GwVLoYomG773CnUMu_HxgFw9V95hs5ZvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKCLKtpm3R8zSLhgVJ5v6+6WqMQtWqyu5PC4JFEuBzu_RE7QTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <AEB14295-34B1-49C7-8444-AE14F98C762E@iotecdigital.com>
 <CAKCLKtp6N=hAPudVpM6aV25WUFKCuEA0YLhmHfwdVh9fRSVcAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D2FA28B6-BEEC-4AD3-ADB8-FC585A2BA19D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <fb192daa-1f2a-8e55-102d-e2cc882a09f3@sonic.net>

On 9/2/20 8:22 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Looks like revGLX2 status.

Interesting. I don't have that problem.
I see a different problem though.
I just tried minimizing Navigator and it's more or less centered on my 
main screen, but it's also unmovable when minimized, which is annoying.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep  2 12:19:52 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 09:19:52 -0700
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNgR6Jj9n6j61A1GgXNHhwvH1NipYdYb4ovpCUC2jCo6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNgR6Jj9n6j61A1GgXNHhwvH1NipYdYb4ovpCUC2jCo6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f372b7a4-1c56-ffd5-83e3-6d453a5e0aea@fourthworld.com>

Mike Kerner wrote:

 > there isn't any reason why we can't have a fork of the ide that
 > doesn't sit around waiting for themuns to say "ok".

I've considered this myself, but maintaining something as complex as 
LC's IDE is no small task.  In fact, I'm finding it less time consuming 
to replace portions as I need them than to prowl around in that complex 
code.

But even if someone had the time for to maintain a fork of the IDE (and 
you might get some assistance on that from others if you do), engine 
pull requests would still be in queue with the mother ship.  Few in our 
community have the C++ skills to do serious work on the engine, and the 
GPL license would make using such a community project a non-starter for 
most license holders.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Sep  2 12:39:30 2020
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:39:30 +0100
Subject: iOS sharing extension - anyone ever made one?
In-Reply-To: <08868fae-80f2-4db2-aa9d-cdb0869984cf@Spark>
References: <CAGASioOCvZ7==Xfie--9hiJseQ_GA9or+fXBUqii1qBv5p6JgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <a300c3c8-d31f-4758-8fab-542bac1c1069@cogapp.com>
 <98eddab7-85b6-4038-b121-82fd05c0161e@Spark>
 <08868fae-80f2-4db2-aa9d-cdb0869984cf@Spark>
Message-ID: <229ccb13-5645-8daa-8b49-e3755f564f73@cogapp.com>

Hi David,

Yes, I did have this working on iOS.

... unfortunately that's all I've got to offer!

It's a couple of years since I worked on this project, and it was an internal 
app only - not distributed to the app store.

I'm actually currently disbarred from testing apps on iOS - my current 
profile/certificate/whatever expired last month and I had a couple of goes at 
the whole dance, but failed, and since it was only for a fun personal app I 
haven't had time to get back to it.

I can tell you it should work (or at least used to). My app appeared in the 
list of destinations for sharing, and IIRC I had it tuned to accept either 
text files or mp3 audio, and that worked as well.

Is your issue that the app doesn't launch at all; or doesn't appear as a 
sharing destination; or does both those things but doesn't respond when 
something is shared to it?

Ben



On 02/09/2020 15:59, David Bovill wrote:
> I?m still having no joy figuring our how to make a sharing extension for a 
> Livecode app. Has anyone ever done this?
> On 25 Jun 2020, 21:05 +0100, David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> Having another go at creating an iOS Share extension in Livecode.
>>
>> Ben I had a go with the code snippets you supplied, but I?m not getting my 
>> app appearing in the list of apps available to share. I had a bit of a goose 
>> around and tried a bunch of options for the info.plist file without result - 
>> well in fact I?m getting the app launching with a black screen and then 
>> crashing if I use the following style recipe:
>>
>>     <key>NSExtension</key>
>>
>>     ?<dict>
>>
>>     ?<key>NSExtensionAttributes</key>
>>
>>     ?<dict>
>>
>>     ?<key>NSExtensionActivationRule</key>
>>
>>     ?<string>TRUEPREDICATE</string>
>>
>>     ?</dict>
>>
>>     ?<key>NSExtensionMainStoryboard</key>
>>
>>     ?<string>MainInterface</string>
>>
>>     ?<key>NSExtensionPointIdentifier</key>
>>
>>     ?<string>com.apple.share-services</string>
>>
>>     ?</dict>
>>
>>
>> This type of plist addition:
>>
>>     <key>CFBundleDocumentTypes</key>
>>
>> <array>
>> <dict>
>> <key>CFBundleTypeName</key>
>> <string>Sound Garden</string>
>> <key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
>> <string>Editor</string>
>> <key>LSItemContentTypes</key>
>> <array>
>> <string>public.plain-text</string>
>> </array>
>> <key>LSHandlerRank</key>
>> <string>Alternate</string>
>> </dict>
>> <dict>
>> <key>CFBundleTypeName</key>
>> <string>Audio</string>
>> <key>CFBundleTypeRole</key>
>> <string>Editor</string>
>> <key>LSItemContentTypes</key>
>> <array>
>> <string>public.audio</string>
>> </array>
>> <key>LSHandlerRank</key>
>> <string>Alternate</string>
>> </dict>
>> </array>
>>
>> Does not crash the app - but appears to do nothing? The following lesson 
>> appears related - 
>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/1069016-associating-a-file-type-file-extension-with-an-lc-ios-app?and 
>> I note there are / were issues with iPhone X and this lesson.
>>
>> My basic question is how do I get an iOS app to work with as an iOS sharing 
>> extension such that in any app (say a web browser) where I select the share 
>> icon I can use my Livecode app as something that handles the share?
>> On 20 Nov 2018, 18:40 +0000, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>>> You need to do two things:
>>>
>>> - add code in your app to handle the "urlWakeUp" message, see the dictionary
>>> entry and
>>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/58672-using-custom-url-schemes
>>>
>>> - add entries in the app's plist to tell the operating system what file types
>>> your app can handle, see
>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/General/Reference/InfoPlistKeyReference/Articles/CoreFoundationKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001431-101685
>>>
>>> The latter is the bit you need to do for iOS - not sure what the Android
>>> equivalent is.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19/11/2018 20:35, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> How could I create the ability for Livecode mobile apps - say iOS but
>>>> ideally also on Android) to add the ability for other apps to share to them?
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/General/Conceptual/ExtensibilityPG/Share.html
>>>>
>>>> I can't find any thread here or in the forums?
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Sep  2 14:45:38 2020
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:45:38 +0100
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
Message-ID: <02D4FF99-2C64-435F-982B-70FCD95492B9@tweedly.net>

If the array is indexed from 1 with no gaps, you can do

repeat with I = 1 to item 2 of line 1 of the extents of myArray

Alex


> On 2 Sep 2020, at 15:54, David Bovill via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
> 
> Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep  2 17:01:58 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 21:01:58 +0000
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <7DA5CCBB-4E86-43CD-8ABB-0C99287F32F5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>
 <7DA5CCBB-4E86-43CD-8ABB-0C99287F32F5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <56FCC584-34FA-49AB-A7AA-53227A7C173E@iotecdigital.com>

It appears I have that backwards?

Bob S


> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Ditto, and I am not sure what noticeable impact one method would have over another. There was some blurb a long time ago about how these keys are internally sorted. I believe what was proposed is that a set of NUMERIC keys beginning with 0 would actually sort correctly. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Nope you have to sort them NUMERIC. As you said this is the only way I know of. I do this all the time. I don't know of any other way.
>> 
>> put the keys of tMyArray into tKeys
>> sort lines of tKeys numeric
>> repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
>> 
>> -- do what you want with tMyArray[tKey]
>> -- this line will put the array data in the message box (assuming there is no other sub keys in each numeric array entry).
>> put tMyArray[tKey] into tMyVar
>> 
>> end repeat
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Bovill via use-livecode
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 10:55 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Cc: David Bovill
>> Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
>> 
>> I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
>> 
>> Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
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From irog at mac.com  Wed Sep  2 22:38:29 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:38:29 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
Message-ID: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>

Your chance to be Genius du Jour:

If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !

Here is my script:

on mouseDown

	getStuff

end mouseDown


local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount

on getStuff

	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0

	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0

	put "" into tTotCount

	put "" into tLongCount

	emptyFlds

end getStuff


on mouseUp

	lock screen

	repeat 1000

		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle

		if tR > 1 then

			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1

			get random(360)

			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1

			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1

			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval

			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount

			add 1 to tTotCount

		end if

	end repeat
	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"

	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"

	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"

	unlock screen

end mouseUp


Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?

Thanks,
Roger

From jerry at jhjensen.com  Wed Sep  2 23:27:28 2020
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 20:27:28 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>

1/2 is the right answer.

Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 

Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.

Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?

Congratulations, you understand integrals!
.Jerry

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
> 
> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
> 
> Here is my script:
> 
> on mouseDown
> 
> 	getStuff
> 
> end mouseDown
> 
> 
> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
> 
> on getStuff
> 
> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
> 
> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
> 
> 	put "" into tTotCount
> 
> 	put "" into tLongCount
> 
> 	emptyFlds
> 
> end getStuff
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> 	lock screen
> 
> 	repeat 1000
> 
> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
> 
> 		if tR > 1 then
> 
> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
> 
> 			get random(360)
> 
> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
> 
> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
> 
> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
> 
> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
> 
> 			add 1 to tTotCount
> 
> 		end if
> 
> 	end repeat
> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
> 
> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
> 
> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
> 
> 	unlock screen
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
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From jerry at jhjensen.com  Wed Sep  2 23:43:24 2020
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 20:43:24 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <A67945D6-382E-4882-96F3-2BCCFFDEB596@jhjensen.com>

Additional thought:
If you just used random x and y, then ignored points outside the larger circle, you would see that  1/4 of the points would be in the smaller circle.

No trig or integrals involved.
.Jerry

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 1/2 is the right answer.
> 
> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 
> 
> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
> 
> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
> 
> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
> .Jerry
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>> 
>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>> 
>> Here is my script:
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>> 
>> 	getStuff
>> 
>> end mouseDown
>> 
>> 
>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>> 
>> on getStuff
>> 
>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>> 
>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>> 
>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>> 
>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>> 
>> 	emptyFlds
>> 
>> end getStuff
>> 
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>> 	lock screen
>> 
>> 	repeat 1000
>> 
>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>> 
>> 		if tR > 1 then
>> 
>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>> 
>> 			get random(360)
>> 
>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>> 
>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>> 
>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>> 
>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>> 
>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>> 
>> 		end if
>> 
>> 	end repeat
>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>> 
>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>> 
>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>> 
>> 	unlock screen
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From dev at porta.ca  Thu Sep  3 00:10:26 2020
From: dev at porta.ca (Dev)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 22:10:26 -0600
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <A67945D6-382E-4882-96F3-2BCCFFDEB596@jhjensen.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <A67945D6-382E-4882-96F3-2BCCFFDEB596@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <F131D7D9-EF7C-4B8D-8857-0E8C1C1A6A2E@porta.ca>

Hi Jerry

I just tried that because I?m no math wizard and need to see things. When shooting a random shotgun blast of 1000 pellets into the centre of a target square that contained the large circle and small circles, the ratio worked out to around  0.2 - not 0.25. It seems the corners outside the big circle receive about 20% of the shots, the inner circle gets another 20% and the outer circle gets 60%. So I don?t understand your thought about ?.

Kelly

> On 2Sep, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Additional thought:
> If you just used random x and y, then ignored points outside the larger circle, you would see that  1/4 of the points would be in the smaller circle.
> 
> No trig or integrals involved.
> .Jerry
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 1/2 is the right answer.
>> 
>> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 
>> 
>> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
>> 
>> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
>> 
>> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
>> .Jerry
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>>> 
>>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>>> 
>>> Here is my script:
>>> 
>>> on mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 	getStuff
>>> 
>>> end mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 
>>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>>> 
>>> on getStuff
>>> 
>>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>>> 
>>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>>> 
>>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>>> 
>>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>>> 
>>> 	emptyFlds
>>> 
>>> end getStuff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>> 
>>> 	lock screen
>>> 
>>> 	repeat 1000
>>> 
>>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>>> 
>>> 		if tR > 1 then
>>> 
>>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>>> 
>>> 			get random(360)
>>> 
>>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>>> 
>>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>>> 
>>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>>> 
>>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>>> 
>>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>>> 
>>> 		end if
>>> 
>>> 	end repeat
>>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>>> 
>>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>>> 
>>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>>> 
>>> 	unlock screen
>>> 
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From dev at porta.ca  Thu Sep  3 00:25:06 2020
From: dev at porta.ca (Dev)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 22:25:06 -0600
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <F131D7D9-EF7C-4B8D-8857-0E8C1C1A6A2E@porta.ca>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <A67945D6-382E-4882-96F3-2BCCFFDEB596@jhjensen.com>
 <F131D7D9-EF7C-4B8D-8857-0E8C1C1A6A2E@porta.ca>
Message-ID: <FB156F84-9946-4FCE-884D-10E09B141453@porta.ca>

Me again Jerry

Changed the setup so that the pellets landing outside the big circle were ignored and just kept going until I had 1000 within the circles in a completely random pattern without Trig. Now the ratio in the smaller circle is 25% or ? like the area comparison would suggest. 

You do understand math much better than I do obviously!

Kelly

> On 2Sep, 2020, at 10:10 PM, Dev <dev at porta.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry
> 
> I just tried that because I?m no math wizard and need to see things. When shooting a random shotgun blast of 1000 pellets into the centre of a target square that contained the large circle and small circles, the ratio worked out to around  0.2 - not 0.25. It seems the corners outside the big circle receive about 20% of the shots, the inner circle gets another 20% and the outer circle gets 60%. So I don?t understand your thought about ?.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 2Sep, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Additional thought:
>> If you just used random x and y, then ignored points outside the larger circle, you would see that  1/4 of the points would be in the smaller circle.
>> 
>> No trig or integrals involved.
>> .Jerry
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1/2 is the right answer.
>>> 
>>> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 
>>> 
>>> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
>>> 
>>> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
>>> 
>>> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
>>> .Jerry
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>>>> 
>>>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>>>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>>>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>>>> 
>>>> Here is my script:
>>>> 
>>>> on mouseDown
>>>> 
>>>> 	getStuff
>>>> 
>>>> end mouseDown
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>>>> 
>>>> on getStuff
>>>> 
>>>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>>>> 
>>>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>>>> 
>>>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>>>> 
>>>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>>>> 
>>>> 	emptyFlds
>>>> 
>>>> end getStuff
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>> 
>>>> 	lock screen
>>>> 
>>>> 	repeat 1000
>>>> 
>>>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>>>> 
>>>> 		if tR > 1 then
>>>> 
>>>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>>>> 
>>>> 			get random(360)
>>>> 
>>>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>>>> 
>>>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>>>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>>>> 
>>>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>>>> 
>>>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>>>> 
>>>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>>>> 
>>>> 		end if
>>>> 
>>>> 	end repeat
>>>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>>>> 
>>>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>>>> 
>>>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>>>> 
>>>> 	unlock screen
>>>> 
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Roger
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From jerry at jhjensen.com  Thu Sep  3 00:50:55 2020
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 21:50:55 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <FB156F84-9946-4FCE-884D-10E09B141453@porta.ca>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <A67945D6-382E-4882-96F3-2BCCFFDEB596@jhjensen.com>
 <F131D7D9-EF7C-4B8D-8857-0E8C1C1A6A2E@porta.ca>
 <FB156F84-9946-4FCE-884D-10E09B141453@porta.ca>
Message-ID: <2757115B-4B7C-49CC-A8D0-AE6035FE01B4@jhjensen.com>

Whew !!  <grin>

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Dev via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Me again Jerry
> 
> Changed the setup so that the pellets landing outside the big circle were ignored and just kept going until I had 1000 within the circles in a completely random pattern without Trig. Now the ratio in the smaller circle is 25% or ? like the area comparison would suggest. 
> 
> You do understand math much better than I do obviously!
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 2Sep, 2020, at 10:10 PM, Dev <dev at porta.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jerry
>> 
>> I just tried that because I?m no math wizard and need to see things. When shooting a random shotgun blast of 1000 pellets into the centre of a target square that contained the large circle and small circles, the ratio worked out to around  0.2 - not 0.25. It seems the corners outside the big circle receive about 20% of the shots, the inner circle gets another 20% and the outer circle gets 60%. So I don?t understand your thought about ?.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>>> On 2Sep, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Additional thought:
>>> If you just used random x and y, then ignored points outside the larger circle, you would see that  1/4 of the points would be in the smaller circle.
>>> 
>>> No trig or integrals involved.
>>> .Jerry
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 1/2 is the right answer.
>>>> 
>>>> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 
>>>> 
>>>> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
>>>> 
>>>> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
>>>> 
>>>> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
>>>> .Jerry
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>>>>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>>>>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is my script:
>>>>> 
>>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	getStuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> on getStuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	emptyFlds
>>>>> 
>>>>> end getStuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	lock screen
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	repeat 1000
>>>>> 
>>>>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>>>>> 
>>>>> 		if tR > 1 then
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			get random(360)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>>>>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 		end if
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	end repeat
>>>>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	unlock screen
>>>>> 
>>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Roger
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Sep  3 00:56:17 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 21:56:17 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <FB156F84-9946-4FCE-884D-10E09B141453@porta.ca>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <A67945D6-382E-4882-96F3-2BCCFFDEB596@jhjensen.com>
 <F131D7D9-EF7C-4B8D-8857-0E8C1C1A6A2E@porta.ca>
 <FB156F84-9946-4FCE-884D-10E09B141453@porta.ca>
Message-ID: <66b0ca33-b712-d800-892e-5e46859686e5@sonic.net>

On 9/2/20 9:25 PM, Dev via use-livecode wrote:

> You do understand math much better than I do obviously!

Better than I do as well.
I was puzzling over that thing until Jerry came through with the answer.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep  3 07:30:58 2020
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 07:30:58 -0400
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <f372b7a4-1c56-ffd5-83e3-6d453a5e0aea@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycNgR6Jj9n6j61A1GgXNHhwvH1NipYdYb4ovpCUC2jCo6w@mail.gmail.com>
 <f372b7a4-1c56-ffd5-83e3-6d453a5e0aea@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMQfCGfs0snkJx7gkXV4R=4rp0kCqo-DxHtzz=e4Z2YDw@mail.gmail.com>

it's not the engine, it's the ide portion, which is not binary.
in addition, as it is a fork, it would be maintained in parallel with the
LC version, so when LC releases an update, beta or otherwise to the ide,
you would merge it into the fork, and review all the diffs.
in some other projects, the community fork thus becomes the major branch
and the community becomes the major maintainers of the fork.
i'm not saying it's easy, and i am by no means volunteering to do it.  it's
a suggestion for the community to consider:  if we are jointly frustrated
with LC's IDE and the progress it is making, especially in accepting and
integrating PR's, then we do have the option of forking it, perhaps for the
purpose of fast-tracking updates, experimental features, etc.
things that might appeal to an audience of developers:
* PR's issued for open bug reports, e.g. mobile scrolling (PR issued
in...June, I think?)
* Project Browser
* Code folding
* Speed in the script editor
It's not like there aren't multiple independent projects going on that
couldn't make this effort better.  Some of those are:
Navigator
Baker's Assistant
Any of Bernd's proposed SE updates

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:21 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>  > there isn't any reason why we can't have a fork of the ide that
>  > doesn't sit around waiting for themuns to say "ok".
>
> I've considered this myself, but maintaining something as complex as
> LC's IDE is no small task.  In fact, I'm finding it less time consuming
> to replace portions as I need them than to prowl around in that complex
> code.
>
> But even if someone had the time for to maintain a fork of the IDE (and
> you might get some assistance on that from others if you do), engine
> pull requests would still be in queue with the mother ship.  Few in our
> community have the C++ skills to do serious work on the engine, and the
> GPL license would make using such a community project a non-starter for
> most license holders.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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And God said, "This is good."


From irog at mac.com  Thu Sep  3 11:17:21 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 08:17:21 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>

Jerry,

You?ve done a very nice job of describing what?s actually(?) happening in my code, but I think you missed the point of my question. 
You agree that if you simply sample random pixels then the ratio of a random pick inside the smaller circle will depend on the area of the circles.
And, if I pick a random x and y within the concentric circles of radius R and 2R, ? of the time they will lie in the smaller circle and ? of the time in the bigger.
So, pick any random x and y and convert to radial coordinates. Everything should work! 
In my code I pick a random angle and a random radius (radial coordinates) within the limits of the larger circle, thus picking random points within the area of the larger circle, yet I get ? (which you say is the right answer). 
My intent was to pick random points (using radial coordinates) for which the result should be ?!

What?s wrong with my code?

Thanks,

Roger

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 1/2 is the right answer.
> 
> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 
> 
> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
> 
> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
> 
> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
> .Jerry
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>> 
>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>> 
>> Here is my script:
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>> 
>> 	getStuff
>> 
>> end mouseDown
>> 
>> 
>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>> 
>> on getStuff
>> 
>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>> 
>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>> 
>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>> 
>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>> 
>> 	emptyFlds
>> 
>> end getStuff
>> 
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>> 	lock screen
>> 
>> 	repeat 1000
>> 
>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>> 
>> 		if tR > 1 then
>> 
>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>> 
>> 			get random(360)
>> 
>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>> 
>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>> 
>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>> 
>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>> 
>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>> 
>> 		end if
>> 
>> 	end repeat
>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>> 
>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>> 
>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>> 
>> 	unlock screen
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From irog at mac.com  Thu Sep  3 13:21:25 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 10:21:25 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>

Or to put it simply, how would one select random point  (e.g. in a circle) using Polar Coordinates??

Roger

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> You?ve done a very nice job of describing what?s actually(?) happening in my code, but I think you missed the point of my question. 
> You agree that if you simply sample random pixels then the ratio of a random pick inside the smaller circle will depend on the area of the circles.
> And, if I pick a random x and y within the concentric circles of radius R and 2R, ? of the time they will lie in the smaller circle and ? of the time in the bigger.
> So, pick any random x and y and convert to radial coordinates. Everything should work! 
> In my code I pick a random angle and a random radius (radial coordinates) within the limits of the larger circle, thus picking random points within the area of the larger circle, yet I get ? (which you say is the right answer). 
> My intent was to pick random points (using radial coordinates) for which the result should be ?!
> 
> What?s wrong with my code?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 1/2 is the right answer.
>> 
>> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line. 
>> 
>> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
>> 
>> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
>> 
>> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
>> .Jerry
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>>> 
>>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>>> 
>>> Here is my script:
>>> 
>>> on mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 	getStuff
>>> 
>>> end mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 
>>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>>> 
>>> on getStuff
>>> 
>>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>>> 
>>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>>> 
>>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>>> 
>>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>>> 
>>> 	emptyFlds
>>> 
>>> end getStuff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>> 
>>> 	lock screen
>>> 
>>> 	repeat 1000
>>> 
>>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>>> 
>>> 		if tR > 1 then
>>> 
>>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>>> 
>>> 			get random(360)
>>> 
>>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>>> 
>>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>>> 
>>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>>> 
>>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>>> 
>>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>>> 
>>> 		end if
>>> 
>>> 	end repeat
>>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>>> 
>>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>>> 
>>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>>> 
>>> 	unlock screen
>>> 
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
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>> 
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Sep  3 13:55:51 2020
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 19:55:51 +0200
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>
 <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2d502c40-f4b0-42bd-b14c-7f764c1ad693@Spark>

There is no simple way, because the infinitesimal area is polar coordinates is r dr dtheta where r is the radius and theta is the angle.
More intuitively, the farther you are from the center, the smaller the angle that covers a fixed size pixel becomes.
All the best,
Fran?ois
Le 3 sept. 2020 ? 19:22 +0200, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, a ?crit :
> Or to put it simply, how would one select random point (e.g. in a circle) using Polar Coordinates??
>
> Roger
>
> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > You?ve done a very nice job of describing what?s actually(?) happening in my code, but I think you missed the point of my question.
> > You agree that if you simply sample random pixels then the ratio of a random pick inside the smaller circle will depend on the area of the circles.
> > And, if I pick a random x and y within the concentric circles of radius R and 2R, ? of the time they will lie in the smaller circle and ? of the time in the bigger.
> > So, pick any random x and y and convert to radial coordinates. Everything should work!
> > In my code I pick a random angle and a random radius (radial coordinates) within the limits of the larger circle, thus picking random points within the area of the larger circle, yet I get ? (which you say is the right answer).
> > My intent was to pick random points (using radial coordinates) for which the result should be ?!
> >
> > What?s wrong with my code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 1/2 is the right answer.
> > >
> > > Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line.
> > >
> > > Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
> > >
> > > Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
> > >
> > > Congratulations, you understand integrals!
> > > .Jerry
> > >
> > > > On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
> > > >
> > > > If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
> > > > Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
> > > > But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
> > > >
> > > > Here is my script:
> > > >
> > > > on mouseDown
> > > >
> > > > getStuff
> > > >
> > > > end mouseDown
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
> > > >
> > > > on getStuff
> > > >
> > > > put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
> > > >
> > > > put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
> > > >
> > > > put "" into tTotCount
> > > >
> > > > put "" into tLongCount
> > > >
> > > > emptyFlds
> > > >
> > > > end getStuff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > on mouseUp
> > > >
> > > > lock screen
> > > >
> > > > repeat 1000
> > > >
> > > > put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
> > > >
> > > > if tR > 1 then
> > > >
> > > > ## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
> > > >
> > > > get random(360)
> > > >
> > > > put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
> > > >
> > > > put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
> > > > put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
> > > >
> > > > set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
> > > >
> > > > if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
> > > >
> > > > add 1 to tTotCount
> > > >
> > > > end if
> > > >
> > > > end repeat
> > > > put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
> > > >
> > > > put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
> > > >
> > > > put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
> > > >
> > > > unlock screen
> > > >
> > > > end mouseUp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Roger
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 14:08:55 2020
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 21:08:55 +0300
Subject: ...and now for something completely off the wall...
In-Reply-To: <32D9CB87-6835-4856-B43D-D5824DA3B725@mac.com>
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Well, the last line is in Latin.

Also, be aware that Scots and English have been twining round each other 
like the two snakes on a caduceus;
how ever, to my mind that is part of a poem by William Dunbar, so 15th 
century.

Fit fashes me, mynd, is that the orthographie micht hae been chaungit, 
as qhat scriever screivit
'now' in the 15th centutie qhan they micht hae scrievit 'nou'?

On 1.09.20 14:53, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
> Richmond, is this Scots or just badly spelled 16th Century English? A genuine enquiry
>
> The stait of man dois change and vary,
> Now sound, now seik, now blith, now sary,
> Now dansand mery, now like to dee;
> Timor mortis conturbat me.
>
> Graham
>
>> On 28 Aug 2020, at 21:22, Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Very droll: that's a load of Frenchies having fun.
>>
>> On 28.08.20 19:44, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> If the painting is any indication of a real event, the Scots would be well advised to build their bon fires a wee bit further from the wooden ladders they are torturing their victims on. :-)
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, I suppose it is funny: about as funny as pointing out to those people in Utah who spawned this idiot that
>>>> undder Scots law as a citizen of a Scottish colony whose indepndence is only de facto under Scots law he should
>>>> suffer the death sentence for treason: drawing and quartering.
>>>>
>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/BNMsFr2643FroissartFol97vExecHughDespenser.jpg
>>>>
>>>> On 28.08.20 18:54, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost every article on the Scots version of Wikipedia is written by one American teenager who can't speak Scots
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A veelage is a clustered human settlement or community, larger than a hamlet but smawer than a toun, wi a population rangin frae a few hunder tae a few thoosand (sometimes tens o thoosands)."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://boingboing.net/2020/08/27/almost-every-article-on-the-sc.html
>>>>>> https://www.scotslanguage.com/news/5724
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep  3 16:40:33 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 13:40:33 -0700
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMQfCGfs0snkJx7gkXV4R=4rp0kCqo-DxHtzz=e4Z2YDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMQfCGfs0snkJx7gkXV4R=4rp0kCqo-DxHtzz=e4Z2YDw@mail.gmail.com>
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True, focusing on the subset of issues in the IDE, leaving the engine 
work to the experts on the core team, would make the work much more 
actionable.

The enthusiasm is good to see. I like the vision of a world where we all 
share one common engine and language, and have a wide range of IDE 
options available, tailored for our tastes and workflows.

If you can find a lead maintainer on this, it may be worth pursuing. But 
given the work commitment involved, that may be a big "if".

The nice thing about pinching off corners of IDE functionality in 
plugins is that the scope of work is limited to the size of the itch 
being scratched.  They're also easier to share than convincing folks to 
replace their whole IDE with an alternate one.

But if IDE bugs mount up without workarounds or acceptance long enough, 
sooner or later it will become easier to find contributors to replacing 
it with a fork.

Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is 
finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems



Mike Kerner wrote:
> it's not the engine, it's the ide portion, which is not binary.
> in addition, as it is a fork, it would be maintained in parallel with the
> LC version, so when LC releases an update, beta or otherwise to the ide,
> you would merge it into the fork, and review all the diffs.
> in some other projects, the community fork thus becomes the major branch
> and the community becomes the major maintainers of the fork.
> i'm not saying it's easy, and i am by no means volunteering to do it.  it's
> a suggestion for the community to consider:  if we are jointly frustrated
> with LC's IDE and the progress it is making, especially in accepting and
> integrating PR's, then we do have the option of forking it, perhaps for the
> purpose of fast-tracking updates, experimental features, etc.
> things that might appeal to an audience of developers:
> * PR's issued for open bug reports, e.g. mobile scrolling (PR issued
> in...June, I think?)
> * Project Browser
> * Code folding
> * Speed in the script editor
> It's not like there aren't multiple independent projects going on that
> couldn't make this effort better.  Some of those are:
> Navigator
> Baker's Assistant
> Any of Bernd's proposed SE updates
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:21 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike Kerner wrote:
>>
>>  > there isn't any reason why we can't have a fork of the ide that
>>  > doesn't sit around waiting for themuns to say "ok".
>>
>> I've considered this myself, but maintaining something as complex as
>> LC's IDE is no small task.  In fact, I'm finding it less time consuming
>> to replace portions as I need them than to prowl around in that complex
>> code.
>>
>> But even if someone had the time for to maintain a fork of the IDE (and
>> you might get some assistance on that from others if you do), engine
>> pull requests would still be in queue with the mother ship.  Few in our
>> community have the C++ skills to do serious work on the engine, and the
>> GPL license would make using such a community project a non-starter for
>> most license holders.
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   ____________________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
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> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."




From runrev at vonfintel.org  Thu Sep  3 16:42:12 2020
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 22:42:12 +0200
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
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Message-ID: <494282b8-39ea-71fa-44b4-726b68bf5973@vonfintel.org>

I think the easiest way is to adjust the linear random function so that 
it produces higher numbers more frequently than lower numbers. More 
precisely, the frequency of 10 must be four times that of 5 (because the 
area quadruples if you double the radius). Or else the outer points have 
a lower probability of being found.

If you replace

put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle

by

put sqrt(random(1000^2))/1000*200 into tR -- 200 is half the width of 
the larger circle

you get random numbers that fulfil these requirements.

If you only want to test whether a certain point is within the inner 
corcle, you only need to look at the radius. But I assume you need this 
in a more complicated situation.

I hope this helps
Thomas


Am 03.09.2020 um 19:21 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode:
> Or to put it simply, how would one select random point  (e.g. in a circle) using Polar Coordinates??
>
> Roger
>
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> You?ve done a very nice job of describing what?s actually(?) happening in my code, but I think you missed the point of my question.
>> You agree that if you simply sample random pixels then the ratio of a random pick inside the smaller circle will depend on the area of the circles.
>> And, if I pick a random x and y within the concentric circles of radius R and 2R, ? of the time they will lie in the smaller circle and ? of the time in the bigger.
>> So, pick any random x and y and convert to radial coordinates. Everything should work!
>> In my code I pick a random angle and a random radius (radial coordinates) within the limits of the larger circle, thus picking random points within the area of the larger circle, yet I get ? (which you say is the right answer).
>> My intent was to pick random points (using radial coordinates) for which the result should be ?!
>>
>> What?s wrong with my code?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 1/2 is the right answer.
>>>
>>> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line.
>>>
>>> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
>>>
>>> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
>>>
>>> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
>>> .Jerry
>>>
>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>>>>
>>>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>>>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>>>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>>>>
>>>> Here is my script:
>>>>
>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>
>>>> 	getStuff
>>>>
>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>>>>
>>>> on getStuff
>>>>
>>>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>>>>
>>>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>>>>
>>>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>>>>
>>>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>>>>
>>>> 	emptyFlds
>>>>
>>>> end getStuff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>
>>>> 	lock screen
>>>>
>>>> 	repeat 1000
>>>>
>>>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>>>>
>>>> 		if tR > 1 then
>>>>
>>>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>>>>
>>>> 			get random(360)
>>>>
>>>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>>>>
>>>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>>>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>>>>
>>>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>>>>
>>>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>>>>
>>>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>>>>
>>>> 		end if
>>>>
>>>> 	end repeat
>>>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>>>>
>>>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>>>>
>>>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>>>>
>>>> 	unlock screen
>>>>
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Thu Sep  3 19:46:04 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 16:46:04 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <494282b8-39ea-71fa-44b4-726b68bf5973@vonfintel.org>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>
 <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <6D0B937E-F144-4EBA-AED9-97C9B02A3D50@mac.com>

Great suggestion, Thomas! It works very well. 
Originally, I was flummoxed by my code, using polar coordinates, not working as expected. Thanks to you and the others responding to this thread, I now get it. Your suggestion reestablishes my faith in the basic math, while recognizing limitations sometime apply to any particular solution. FWIW, I am playing around with Bertrand Paradox, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_paradox_(probability) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_paradox_(probability)>, and I'm trying to be as precise as possible in simulating the approaches to the problem. Just having fun, as it were!

Roger

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think the easiest way is to adjust the linear random function so that it produces higher numbers more frequently than lower numbers. More precisely, the frequency of 10 must be four times that of 5 (because the area quadruples if you double the radius). Or else the outer points have a lower probability of being found.
> 
> If you replace
> 
> put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
> 
> by
> 
> put sqrt(random(1000^2))/1000*200 into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
> 
> you get random numbers that fulfil these requirements.
> 
> If you only want to test whether a certain point is within the inner corcle, you only need to look at the radius. But I assume you need this in a more complicated situation.
> 
> I hope this helps
> Thomas
> 
> 
> Am 03.09.2020 um 19:21 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode:
>> Or to put it simply, how would one select random point  (e.g. in a circle) using Polar Coordinates??
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jerry,
>>> 
>>> You?ve done a very nice job of describing what?s actually(?) happening in my code, but I think you missed the point of my question.
>>> You agree that if you simply sample random pixels then the ratio of a random pick inside the smaller circle will depend on the area of the circles.
>>> And, if I pick a random x and y within the concentric circles of radius R and 2R, ? of the time they will lie in the smaller circle and ? of the time in the bigger.
>>> So, pick any random x and y and convert to radial coordinates. Everything should work!
>>> In my code I pick a random angle and a random radius (radial coordinates) within the limits of the larger circle, thus picking random points within the area of the larger circle, yet I get ? (which you say is the right answer).
>>> My intent was to pick random points (using radial coordinates) for which the result should be ?!
>>> 
>>> What?s wrong with my code?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 1/2 is the right answer.
>>>> 
>>>> Take your drawing of the circles. Cut a verrrryy thin radial slice from the center to the outside circle. So thin that it is just a line.
>>>> 
>>>> Now think of how likely a random point on that line will be in the part of the line that was in the smaller circle. The part that was from the smaller circle is HALF as long as the entire line.
>>>> 
>>>> Now add up all the possible positions of that line. Why would that change the answer?
>>>> 
>>>> Congratulations, you understand integrals!
>>>> .Jerry
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your chance to be Genius du Jour:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I construct 2 concentric circles, one being half the radius of the larger, then simple math shows that the smaller circle has an area ? the area of the larger.
>>>>> Now if I generate a random point within the radius of the larger circle, I should expect that the probability of it landing in the smaller circle to be ?.
>>>>> But, I must be doing something wrong because I get ? !
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is my script:
>>>>> 
>>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	getStuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> local tR, tTheta, tX0, tY0, tX1, tY1, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> on getStuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tx0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put "" into tTotCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put "" into tLongCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	emptyFlds
>>>>> 
>>>>> end getStuff
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	lock screen
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	repeat 1000
>>>>> 
>>>>> 		put random(200) into tR -- 200 is half the width of the larger circle
>>>>> 
>>>>> 		if tR > 1 then
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			## put random(2*pi) into tTheta1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			get random(360)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			put it*pi/180 into tTheta1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			put tR*cos(tTheta1) into tX1
>>>>> 			put tR*sin(tTheta1) into tY1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			set the loc of grc Ptgrc to tX0 + tX1, tY0 - tY1 --- grc Ptgrc is a 2 pixle oval
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			if intersect(grc Ptgrc, grc InnerCircle, "opaque Pixels") then add 1 to tLongCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 			add 1 to tTotCount
>>>>> 
>>>>> 		end if
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	end repeat
>>>>> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put tLongCount into fld ?LongCountFld"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	unlock screen
>>>>> 
>>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apparently, this does not generate a random point within the larger circle! Can someone please tell me what?s wrong here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep  4 13:04:55 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 17:04:55 +0000
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <129666f2-a908-627f-ca1d-77fa3bb9a755@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycMQfCGfs0snkJx7gkXV4R=4rp0kCqo-DxHtzz=e4Z2YDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <129666f2-a908-627f-ca1d-77fa3bb9a755@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F4807448-8B80-4EAF-93F9-D5FBD0098C07@iotecdigital.com>

That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy. 

Bob S


> On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep  4 15:23:50 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 14:23:50 -0500
Subject: ANN: Zygodact 2.0.1 update available
Message-ID: <8da343f1-e4fe-5046-d400-0464d114a31a@hyperactivesw.com>

Zygodact is an easy way to add serial key registration to standalones. Version 2.0.1 is now 
available at no cost to currently registered users. There are many new features, so please read 
the revised documentation included with the download. Also, the most annoying bug has been 
fixed, and now pasting a serial key into the dialog no longer causes issues.

Interested people can read more about Zygodact here:
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html>

Registered users can download the latest version here:
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/zygodact/zygodact_dl.html>

Changes in Zygodact 2.0.1
* Signed and notarized app for Mac Gatekeeper
* Updated to 64-bit on Mac

Changes in Zygodact 2.0.0
* Supports a single custom character in a hex key. This allows an app to branch its feature set 
depending on which character is assigned.
* Added compatibility for Android standalones. Caveat: Due to Android OS limitations, Android 
use isn't as secure as the desktop version.
* Added compatibility with iOS. This should NOT be used for App Store submissions, where Apple 
will reject it, so it's probably of limited value. It only works if the script sends "zygodact" 
to the register stack after a short delay; 1 tick seems to be enough.
* Added compatibility with mobile platforms in the Generator stack in case you want to compile 
it into a standalone in order to create serial keys from a mobile device. This is not 
compatible with previous versions.
* Added an "Email key" button to the generator stack. Works on all platforms including mobile. 
It launches the default email app and puts the User Name and Serial Key into the body of an 
otherwise blank email. You must supply the To: address, subject, etc.
* Added email templates. If there is a folder named "templates" in the stack folder (or 
resources folder on mobile) the template is merged with the key code data for emailing. Added a 
version check on preOpenCard in the Setup app. If a newer version is available, Zygodact offers 
to go to the download page.
* Added a check to avoid overwriting a set of files to a folder where older files already exist.
* Fixed the bug where the Register button did not enable when pasting a serial key.
* Updated documentation. Please read for more details.

NOTE: New registration stacks created with version 2.0.1 are not compatible with older 
versions; that is, you can't replace the Register stack with a newer copy without also sending 
the user a new serial key. If this is a problem, please contact me privately.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep  4 16:46:55 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 20:46:55 +0000
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <6D0B937E-F144-4EBA-AED9-97C9B02A3D50@mac.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>
 <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>
 <494282b8-39ea-71fa-44b4-726b68bf5973@vonfintel.org>
 <6D0B937E-F144-4EBA-AED9-97C9B02A3D50@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D762DB45-95A7-4C3B-B711-AA3BD1DE7009@iotecdigital.com>

If math breaks, we are all in for a world of hurt.

Bob S


On Sep 3, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Your suggestion reestablishes my faith in the basic math, while recognizing limitations sometime apply to any particular solution.



From irog at mac.com  Fri Sep  4 22:39:18 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 19:39:18 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <D762DB45-95A7-4C3B-B711-AA3BD1DE7009@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5683FA72-B230-4DDB-AF2F-8AFE4DB33F5F@mac.com>
 <0B0B5D05-957E-4CE5-927A-81FAC02F7A1D@jhjensen.com>
 <89A367B9-283A-4843-A5D1-DF085BE28A65@mac.com>
 <DDBC3FA7-E173-4A08-8134-26B3FACF0248@mac.com>
 <494282b8-39ea-71fa-44b4-726b68bf5973@vonfintel.org>
 <6D0B937E-F144-4EBA-AED9-97C9B02A3D50@mac.com>
 <D762DB45-95A7-4C3B-B711-AA3BD1DE7009@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5F610CB5-5DDF-4DEC-9521-B2B4D32225B3@mac.com>

Speaking of broken math, you should check out Bertrand Paradox.

Roger

> On Sep 4, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If math breaks, we are all in for a world of hurt.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Your suggestion reestablishes my faith in the basic math, while recognizing limitations sometime apply to any particular solution.
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From runrev at vonfintel.org  Sat Sep  5 03:24:54 2020
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 09:24:54 +0200
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <5F610CB5-5DDF-4DEC-9521-B2B4D32225B3@mac.com>
References: <5F610CB5-5DDF-4DEC-9521-B2B4D32225B3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4CCBEBAA-344D-4D84-9B89-50724AB3FB60@vonfintel.org>

Having had no contact with Bertrand Paradox except reading the Wikipedia entries in English and German, my impression is that this is not a case of broken math but a case of an ill-defined problem.
Saying that a chord of a circle is chosen at random seems to imply that all possible chords are chosen with the same probability. My interpretation would be that all points on the circle have the same probability and also every combination of two points have the same probability of being chosen. Not all methods proposed by Bertrand fulfil this requirement.
My interpretation may be wrong. But the fact that you need an interpretation shows that a problem like this needs more clarification.

Thomas

> Am 05.09.2020 um 04:40 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Bertrand Paradox




From irog at mac.com  Sat Sep  5 11:10:08 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 08:10:08 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <4CCBEBAA-344D-4D84-9B89-50724AB3FB60@vonfintel.org>
References: <5F610CB5-5DDF-4DEC-9521-B2B4D32225B3@mac.com>
 <4CCBEBAA-344D-4D84-9B89-50724AB3FB60@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <8479B710-4409-46F1-8580-9B4E8651F683@mac.com>

My intent was not to suggest that math is ?really? broken in the Bertrand Paradox, but it did make me wonder what is going on. 
Enter LC. I built a simulation of your description where each of two points on a circle are randomly chosen. This kind of chord generation is consistently producing a ratio of about ? which, of course, disagrees with 2 of the methods in the BP, but is close to one of them. 
I don?t mean to promote controversy here . . . I am just having fun playing with this and wondering what is indeed going on???
Thanks for playing, Thomas.

Roger

> On Sep 5, 2020, at 12:24 AM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Having had no contact with Bertrand Paradox except reading the Wikipedia entries in English and German, my impression is that this is not a case of broken math but a case of an ill-defined problem.
> Saying that a chord of a circle is chosen at random seems to imply that all possible chords are chosen with the same probability. My interpretation would be that all points on the circle have the same probability and also every combination of two points have the same probability of being chosen. Not all methods proposed by Bertrand fulfil this requirement.
> My interpretation may be wrong. But the fact that you need an interpretation shows that a problem like this needs more clarification.
> 
> Thomas
> 
>> Am 05.09.2020 um 04:40 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Bertrand Paradox
> 
> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Sat Sep  5 11:32:45 2020
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 11:32:45 -0400
Subject: ANN: Zygodact 2.0.1 update available
In-Reply-To: <8da343f1-e4fe-5046-d400-0464d114a31a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8da343f1-e4fe-5046-d400-0464d114a31a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <54751697-5EEB-4D59-BEE3-BF12B2DDAFD4@rogers.com>

Thanks for the update.

I must say Zydodact has the best preferences dialog I have ever seen.  You should patent this.

Martin

> On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:23 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Zygodact is an easy way to add serial key registration to standalones. Version 2.0.1 is now available at no cost to currently registered users. There are many new features, so please read the revised documentation included with the download. Also, the most annoying bug has been fixed, and now pasting a serial key into the dialog no longer causes issues.
> 
> Interested people can read more about Zygodact here:
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html>
> 
> Registered users can download the latest version here:
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/zygodact/zygodact_dl.html>
> 
> Changes in Zygodact 2.0.1
> * Signed and notarized app for Mac Gatekeeper
> * Updated to 64-bit on Mac
> 
> Changes in Zygodact 2.0.0
> * Supports a single custom character in a hex key. This allows an app to branch its feature set depending on which character is assigned.
> * Added compatibility for Android standalones. Caveat: Due to Android OS limitations, Android use isn't as secure as the desktop version.
> * Added compatibility with iOS. This should NOT be used for App Store submissions, where Apple will reject it, so it's probably of limited value. It only works if the script sends "zygodact" to the register stack after a short delay; 1 tick seems to be enough.
> * Added compatibility with mobile platforms in the Generator stack in case you want to compile it into a standalone in order to create serial keys from a mobile device. This is not compatible with previous versions.
> * Added an "Email key" button to the generator stack. Works on all platforms including mobile. It launches the default email app and puts the User Name and Serial Key into the body of an otherwise blank email. You must supply the To: address, subject, etc.
> * Added email templates. If there is a folder named "templates" in the stack folder (or resources folder on mobile) the template is merged with the key code data for emailing. Added a version check on preOpenCard in the Setup app. If a newer version is available, Zygodact offers to go to the download page.
> * Added a check to avoid overwriting a set of files to a folder where older files already exist.
> * Fixed the bug where the Register button did not enable when pasting a serial key.
> * Updated documentation. Please read for more details.
> 
> NOTE: New registration stacks created with version 2.0.1 are not compatible with older versions; that is, you can't replace the Register stack with a newer copy without also sending the user a new serial key. If this is a problem, please contact me privately.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From runrev at vonfintel.org  Sat Sep  5 12:34:51 2020
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 18:34:51 +0200
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <8479B710-4409-46F1-8580-9B4E8651F683@mac.com>
References: <8479B710-4409-46F1-8580-9B4E8651F683@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F4AA74CD-C0ED-4730-9D2F-F23E5E043584@vonfintel.org>

That is strange. Choosing two points ?at random? should give a ratio of 1/3. 

At least if you choose them by generating two random numbers between 0 and 360 and use this numbers as angles between a fixed line connecting  the centre (e.g. the x-axis) and the line between the centre and the chosen point. 
Something like (without access to any LiveCode)
put Random(360) *pi / 180 into angle1. 
put sin (angle1) * radius into p1y
put cos (angle1) * radius into p1x
That?s the method I would choose. 
How do you choose the two points?

Thomas



> Am 05.09.2020 um 17:11 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> ?My intent was not to suggest that math is ?really? broken in the Bertrand Paradox, but it did make me wonder what is going on. 
> Enter LC. I built a simulation of your description where each of two points on a circle are randomly chosen. This kind of chord generation is consistently producing a ratio of about ? which, of course, disagrees with 2 of the methods in the BP, but is close to one of them. 
> I don?t mean to promote controversy here . . . I am just having fun playing with this and wondering what is indeed going on???
> Thanks for playing, Thomas.
> 
> Roger
> 
>>>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 12:24 AM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Having had no contact with Bertrand Paradox except reading the Wikipedia entries in English and German, my impression is that this is not a case of broken math but a case of an ill-defined problem.
>> Saying that a chord of a circle is chosen at random seems to imply that all possible chords are chosen with the same probability. My interpretation would be that all points on the circle have the same probability and also every combination of two points have the same probability of being chosen. Not all methods proposed by Bertrand fulfil this requirement.
>> My interpretation may be wrong. But the fact that you need an interpretation shows that a problem like this needs more clarification.
>> Thomas
>>>> Am 05.09.2020 um 04:40 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> Bertrand Paradox
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Sep  5 13:14:46 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 10:14:46 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <F4AA74CD-C0ED-4730-9D2F-F23E5E043584@vonfintel.org>
References: <8479B710-4409-46F1-8580-9B4E8651F683@mac.com>
 <F4AA74CD-C0ED-4730-9D2F-F23E5E043584@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <BF45F62A-4F47-436A-9CE0-9E58EEDC10FA@mac.com>

You?re absolutely right. I should have been more careful in describing what I did:

In addition to your method, using polar coordinates, which results in a ratio of ?, I also did a random selection of 2 points on the circle in cartesian coordinates which produces the ?. Very curious! I am now wondering if I did the math right? I am known for making many more mistakes than not!

Roger



> On Sep 5, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> That is strange. Choosing two points ?at random? should give a ratio of 1/3. 
> 
> At least if you choose them by generating two random numbers between 0 and 360 and use this numbers as angles between a fixed line connecting  the centre (e.g. the x-axis) and the line between the centre and the chosen point. 
> Something like (without access to any LiveCode)
> put Random(360) *pi / 180 into angle1. 
> put sin (angle1) * radius into p1y
> put cos (angle1) * radius into p1x
> That?s the method I would choose. 
> How do you choose the two points?
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 05.09.2020 um 17:11 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> ?My intent was not to suggest that math is ?really? broken in the Bertrand Paradox, but it did make me wonder what is going on. 
>> Enter LC. I built a simulation of your description where each of two points on a circle are randomly chosen. This kind of chord generation is consistently producing a ratio of about ? which, of course, disagrees with 2 of the methods in the BP, but is close to one of them. 
>> I don?t mean to promote controversy here . . . I am just having fun playing with this and wondering what is indeed going on???
>> Thanks for playing, Thomas.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 12:24 AM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Having had no contact with Bertrand Paradox except reading the Wikipedia entries in English and German, my impression is that this is not a case of broken math but a case of an ill-defined problem.
>>> Saying that a chord of a circle is chosen at random seems to imply that all possible chords are chosen with the same probability. My interpretation would be that all points on the circle have the same probability and also every combination of two points have the same probability of being chosen. Not all methods proposed by Bertrand fulfil this requirement.
>>> My interpretation may be wrong. But the fact that you need an interpretation shows that a problem like this needs more clarification.
>>> Thomas
>>>>> Am 05.09.2020 um 04:40 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> Bertrand Paradox
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From runrev at vonfintel.org  Sat Sep  5 14:07:55 2020
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 20:07:55 +0200
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <BF45F62A-4F47-436A-9CE0-9E58EEDC10FA@mac.com>
References: <BF45F62A-4F47-436A-9CE0-9E58EEDC10FA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <089D3BCE-B232-46BF-8584-C33879B3BC94@vonfintel.org>

?I am known for making many more mistakes than not!?
Aren?t we all?
I guess using Cartesian coordinates for choosing points on a circle could produce some bias, though I have no clear idea how.
So, what is your code?

Thomas

> Am 05.09.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I am known for making many more mistakes than not!




From irog at mac.com  Sat Sep  5 14:28:28 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 11:28:28 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <089D3BCE-B232-46BF-8584-C33879B3BC94@vonfintel.org>
References: <BF45F62A-4F47-436A-9CE0-9E58EEDC10FA@mac.com>
 <089D3BCE-B232-46BF-8584-C33879B3BC94@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <4BC32AD8-8116-4DCD-9339-CF02EF1A6FB6@mac.com>

Aha, in prepping my code to send to you, I found an error! Now the Cartesian Coord code is consistent with the Polar Coord code producing a ratio of about ?. Here is the code:

on mouseDown

	getStuff

end mouseDown


local tR, tX0, tY0, txl, tX1, tY1, tconstL, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount, tLocA, tLocB


on getStuff

	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tX0

	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0

	put the width of grc OuterCircle/2 into tR

	put the left of grc outerCircle into tXl

	put 2*tR*cos(Pi/6) into tconstL

	put "" into tTotCount

	put "" into tLongCount

	emptyFlds

end getStuff


on mouseUp

	lock screen

	repeat 10000

		add 1 to tTotCount

		PickApointA

		PickApointB

		set the points of grc theChord to tLocA, tLocB

		GetLength tLocA, tLocB

	end repeat

	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"

	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"

	unlock screen

end mouseUp


on PickApointA

	set the numberFormat to "#."

	put tXl + random(400) into X

	put sqrt(tR^2 - (X-tX0)^2) - tY0 into y

	get random(2)

	if it is 1 then put x, + y+2*tY0 into tLocA

	else put x, - y into tLocA

end PickApointA


on PickApointB

	set the numberFormat to "#."

	put tXl + random(400) into X

	put sqrt(tR^2 - (X-tX0)^2) - tY0 into y

	get random(2)

	if it is 1 then put x, + y+2*tY0 into tLocB

	else put x, - y into tLocB

end PickApointB


on GetLength pLocA, pLocB

	put item 1 of pLocA into PX1

	put item 2 of pLocA into Py1

	put item 1 of pLocB into PX2

	put item 2 of pLocB into Py2

	set the numberFormat to "#.0"

	put (pX2- pX1)^2 + (pY2- pY1)^2 into Lsquared

	put Sqrt(Lsquared) into tL

	if tL > tconstL then add 1 to tLongCount ---

	put tLongCount into fld "LongCountFld"

end GetLength


Thanks,
Roger


> On Sep 5, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I am known for making many more mistakes than not!?
> Aren?t we all?
> I guess using Cartesian coordinates for choosing points on a circle could produce some bias, though I have no clear idea how.
> So, what is your code?
> 
> Thomas
> 
>> Am 05.09.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I am known for making many more mistakes than not!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From runrev at vonfintel.org  Sat Sep  5 16:19:28 2020
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 22:19:28 +0200
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <4BC32AD8-8116-4DCD-9339-CF02EF1A6FB6@mac.com>
References: <BF45F62A-4F47-436A-9CE0-9E58EEDC10FA@mac.com>
 <089D3BCE-B232-46BF-8584-C33879B3BC94@vonfintel.org>
 <4BC32AD8-8116-4DCD-9339-CF02EF1A6FB6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0a94d2bf-76f1-5fdd-0555-96ac0579ea76@vonfintel.org>

I am officially puzzled and out of my waters.

If you divide the circle in four equal parts using two diagonal lines, 
you find that 25 percent of all points have a x-value of more than 70 
percent of the radius. Using 200 as radius, 25% of all points x > 141,42 
(= cos(45?)*200). But using your method only 60/400 = 15% of points have 
value x greater than 141,42. So there ecertainly is a bias towards 
points in the upper and lower quarter.

I have no idea why this bias isn't influencing your results. Maybe 
because the second point is also influenced by this bias. But how?

I wonder whether it's okay to keep this discussion on the list. We are 
straying far from matters LiveCode.

Thomas


Am 05.09.2020 um 20:28 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode:
> Aha, in prepping my code to send to you, I found an error! Now the Cartesian Coord code is consistent with the Polar Coord code producing a ratio of about ?. Here is the code:
>
> on mouseDown
>
> 	getStuff
>
> end mouseDown
>
>
> local tR, tX0, tY0, txl, tX1, tY1, tconstL, tTotCount, tL, tLongCount, tLocA, tLocB
>
>
> on getStuff
>
> 	put item 1 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tX0
>
> 	put item 2 of the loc of grc OuterCircle into tY0
>
> 	put the width of grc OuterCircle/2 into tR
>
> 	put the left of grc outerCircle into tXl
>
> 	put 2*tR*cos(Pi/6) into tconstL
>
> 	put "" into tTotCount
>
> 	put "" into tLongCount
>
> 	emptyFlds
>
> end getStuff
>
>
> on mouseUp
>
> 	lock screen
>
> 	repeat 10000
>
> 		add 1 to tTotCount
>
> 		PickApointA
>
> 		PickApointB
>
> 		set the points of grc theChord to tLocA, tLocB
>
> 		GetLength tLocA, tLocB
>
> 	end repeat
>
> 	put tTotCount into fld "totcountFld"
>
> 	put tLongCount/tTotCount into fld "RatioFld"
>
> 	unlock screen
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
> on PickApointA
>
> 	set the numberFormat to "#."
>
> 	put tXl + random(400) into X
>
> 	put sqrt(tR^2 - (X-tX0)^2) - tY0 into y
>
> 	get random(2)
>
> 	if it is 1 then put x, + y+2*tY0 into tLocA
>
> 	else put x, - y into tLocA
>
> end PickApointA
>
>
> on PickApointB
>
> 	set the numberFormat to "#."
>
> 	put tXl + random(400) into X
>
> 	put sqrt(tR^2 - (X-tX0)^2) - tY0 into y
>
> 	get random(2)
>
> 	if it is 1 then put x, + y+2*tY0 into tLocB
>
> 	else put x, - y into tLocB
>
> end PickApointB
>
>
> on GetLength pLocA, pLocB
>
> 	put item 1 of pLocA into PX1
>
> 	put item 2 of pLocA into Py1
>
> 	put item 1 of pLocB into PX2
>
> 	put item 2 of pLocB into Py2
>
> 	set the numberFormat to "#.0"
>
> 	put (pX2- pX1)^2 + (pY2- pY1)^2 into Lsquared
>
> 	put Sqrt(Lsquared) into tL
>
> 	if tL > tconstL then add 1 to tLongCount ---
>
> 	put tLongCount into fld "LongCountFld"
>
> end GetLength
>
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I am known for making many more mistakes than not!?
>> Aren?t we all?
>> I guess using Cartesian coordinates for choosing points on a circle could produce some bias, though I have no clear idea how.
>> So, what is your code?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>> Am 05.09.2020 um 19:15 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> I am known for making many more mistakes than not!
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep  5 16:52:17 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 15:52:17 -0500
Subject: ANN: Zygodact 2.0.1 update available
In-Reply-To: <54751697-5EEB-4D59-BEE3-BF12B2DDAFD4@rogers.com>
References: <8da343f1-e4fe-5046-d400-0464d114a31a@hyperactivesw.com>
 <54751697-5EEB-4D59-BEE3-BF12B2DDAFD4@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <174600a87e8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Ah well. If I weren't so indifferent I might have. :)

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 5, 2020 10:34:47 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the update.
>
> I must say Zydodact has the best preferences dialog I have ever seen.  You 
> should patent this.
>
> Martin
>
>> On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:23 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Zygodact is an easy way to add serial key registration to standalones. 
>> Version 2.0.1 is now available at no cost to currently registered users. 
>> There are many new features, so please read the revised documentation 
>> included with the download. Also, the most annoying bug has been fixed, and 
>> now pasting a serial key into the dialog no longer causes issues.
>>
>> Interested people can read more about Zygodact here:
>> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html>
>>
>> Registered users can download the latest version here:
>> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/zygodact/zygodact_dl.html>
>>
>> Changes in Zygodact 2.0.1
>> * Signed and notarized app for Mac Gatekeeper
>> * Updated to 64-bit on Mac
>>
>> Changes in Zygodact 2.0.0
>> * Supports a single custom character in a hex key. This allows an app to 
>> branch its feature set depending on which character is assigned.
>> * Added compatibility for Android standalones. Caveat: Due to Android OS 
>> limitations, Android use isn't as secure as the desktop version.
>> * Added compatibility with iOS. This should NOT be used for App Store 
>> submissions, where Apple will reject it, so it's probably of limited value. 
>> It only works if the script sends "zygodact" to the register stack after a 
>> short delay; 1 tick seems to be enough.
>> * Added compatibility with mobile platforms in the Generator stack in case 
>> you want to compile it into a standalone in order to create serial keys 
>> from a mobile device. This is not compatible with previous versions.
>> * Added an "Email key" button to the generator stack. Works on all 
>> platforms including mobile. It launches the default email app and puts the 
>> User Name and Serial Key into the body of an otherwise blank email. You 
>> must supply the To: address, subject, etc.
>> * Added email templates. If there is a folder named "templates" in the 
>> stack folder (or resources folder on mobile) the template is merged with 
>> the key code data for emailing. Added a version check on preOpenCard in the 
>> Setup app. If a newer version is available, Zygodact offers to go to the 
>> download page.
>> * Added a check to avoid overwriting a set of files to a folder where older 
>> files already exist.
>> * Fixed the bug where the Register button did not enable when pasting a 
>> serial key.
>> * Updated documentation. Please read for more details.
>>
>> NOTE: New registration stacks created with version 2.0.1 are not compatible 
>> with older versions; that is, you can't replace the Register stack with a 
>> newer copy without also sending the user a new serial key. If this is a 
>> problem, please contact me privately.
>>
>> --
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>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Sep  5 22:35:45 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:35:45 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <0a94d2bf-76f1-5fdd-0555-96ac0579ea76@vonfintel.org>
References: <BF45F62A-4F47-436A-9CE0-9E58EEDC10FA@mac.com>
 <089D3BCE-B232-46BF-8584-C33879B3BC94@vonfintel.org>
 <4BC32AD8-8116-4DCD-9339-CF02EF1A6FB6@mac.com>
 <0a94d2bf-76f1-5fdd-0555-96ac0579ea76@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <24951A7C-9B54-4AB0-B5C7-36C8B4588A3B@mac.com>

I?m having trouble understanding this last message or how you got these results, but I guess you?re right about this topic being somewhat straying from LC. 
So, I want to say I really appreciate your help and ideas. I will continue to attempt to push back the frontiers of my ignorance.

Thanks and cheers,
Roger 

> On Sep 5, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> f you divide the circle in four equal parts using two diagonal lines, you find that 25 percent of all points have a x-value of more than 70 percent of the radius. Using 200 as radius, 25% of all points x > 141,42 (= cos(45?)*200). But using your method only 60/400 = 15% of points have value x greater than 141,42. So there ecertainly is a bias towards points in the upper and lower quarter.
> 
> I have no idea why this bias isn't influencing your results. Maybe because the second point is also influenced by this bias. But how?
> 
> I wonder whether it's okay to keep this discussion on the list. We are straying far from matters LiveCode.



From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Sep  6 09:58:39 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 13:58:39 +0000
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image 
Message-ID: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>

Maybe  it is aphasia...

How do we get file from one location to another location

on mouseUp
	 local tRelativeURL
	 -- repeat with x = 1 to (the number of cards of stack ?SlideShowSetUp?)
	 --go card x
 	set the itemdelimiter to ?/?
	 put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img ?slideimage? ) into tRelativeURL
	# this works is: there is a path
	# 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg

	# this does not work:
	 put URL(?binfile:? & tRelativeURL ) into URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
	
	put the filename of img ?slideimage? into URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
	
	 -- end repeat
end mouseUp

??

Brahmanathaswami
 


From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sun Sep  6 13:54:48 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:54:48 +0100
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <24951A7C-9B54-4AB0-B5C7-36C8B4588A3B@mac.com>
References: <24951A7C-9B54-4AB0-B5C7-36C8B4588A3B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B821871-F59F-4127-810C-7F4EBFF35FB3@pidigital.co.uk>

Pixel math:

Counting incomplete pixels within a circle outline (%Pass)(%Fail):
10x10 = 88 (88%)(12%)
20x20 = 344 (86%)(14%)
100x100 = 8012 (80%)(20%)

Counting complete pixels:
10x10 = 48 (48%)(52%)
20x20 = 276 (69%)(31%)
100x100 = 7444 (74.4%)(26%)

Your conclusion here: _________________________



From brian at milby7.com  Sun Sep  6 14:06:55 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 14:06:55 -0400
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>
References: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaY3SpVmJ1bWVNFPxVqO3+VkKMwBLdOsctAofawqwgiLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like you need to specify a full path for the source and destination.

on mouseUp
   local tImageName, tDestinationPath
   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
   put (item -1 of the filename of img 1 ) into tImageName
   put item 1 to -2 of the filename of this stack & "/" into
tDestinationPath
   put URL("binfile:" & the filename of img 1  ) into URL("binfile:" &
tDestinationPath & tImageName)
end mouseUp


On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:59 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Maybe  it is aphasia...
>
> How do we get file from one location to another location
>
> on mouseUp
>          local tRelativeURL
>          -- repeat with x = 1 to (the number of cards of stack
> ?SlideShowSetUp?)
>          --go card x
>         set the itemdelimiter to ?/?
>          put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img ?slideimage? ) into
> tRelativeURL
>         # this works is: there is a path
>         # 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg
>
>         # this does not work:
>          put URL(?binfile:? & tRelativeURL ) into
> URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
>
>         put the filename of img ?slideimage? into
> URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
>
>          -- end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
> ??
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Sep  6 17:31:16 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 21:31:16 +0000
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaY3SpVmJ1bWVNFPxVqO3+VkKMwBLdOsctAofawqwgiLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>
 <CA+yhkRaY3SpVmJ1bWVNFPxVqO3+VkKMwBLdOsctAofawqwgiLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B8C63B1-0E8C-4A19-9F11-DB9D403FD50A@hindu.org>


Looks like that does not  work

on mouseUp
   local tImageName, tDestinationPath,tHolder
   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
   put (item -2 to -1  of the filename of img "slideImage") into tImageName
   
   put   "_ForWebSite/"  into tDestinationPath
   put tDestinationPath & tImageName into tHolder
   -- put URL("binfile:" & the filename of img "slideImage"  ) into URL("binfile:" & tDestinationPath & tImageName)
   put the filename of img "slideImage" into URL("binfile:" & tDestinationPath & tImageName)

end mouseUp


?On 9/6/20, 8:08 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Brian Milby via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Looks like you need to specify a full path for the source and destination.

    on mouseUp
       local tImageName, tDestinationPath
       set the itemdelimiter to "/"
       put (item -1 of the filename of img 1 ) into tImageName
       put item 1 to -2 of the filename of this stack & "/" into tDestinationPath
       put URL("binfile:" & the filename of img 1  ) into URL("binfile:" & tDestinationPath & tImageName)
    end mouseUp


    On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:59 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
    use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    > Maybe  it is aphasia...
    >
    > How do we get file from one location to another location
    >
    > on mouseUp
    >          local tRelativeURL
    >          -- repeat with x = 1 to (the number of cards of stack
    > ?SlideShowSetUp?)
    >          --go card x
    >         set the itemdelimiter to ?/?
    >          put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img ?slideimage? ) into
    > tRelativeURL
    >         # this works is: there is a path
    >         # 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg
    >
    >         # this does not work:
    >          put URL(?binfile:? & tRelativeURL ) into
    > URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
    >
    >         put the filename of img ?slideimage? into
    > URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
    >
    >          -- end repeat
    > end mouseUp
    >
    > ??
    >
    > Brahmanathaswami
    >
    >
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From phil at pdslabs.net  Sun Sep  6 17:46:03 2020
From: phil at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 14:46:03 -0700
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <3B8C63B1-0E8C-4A19-9F11-DB9D403FD50A@hindu.org>
References: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>
 <CA+yhkRaY3SpVmJ1bWVNFPxVqO3+VkKMwBLdOsctAofawqwgiLQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <3B8C63B1-0E8C-4A19-9F11-DB9D403FD50A@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <0662d789-1af4-6d7d-fff5-e6c231a374a1@pdslabs.net>

Maybe check the result after your 'put URL... into URL ...' statement. 
That might give you a hint about the problem.

Phil Davis


On 9/6/20 2:31 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Looks like that does not  work
>
> on mouseUp
>     local tImageName, tDestinationPath,tHolder
>     set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>     put (item -2 to -1  of the filename of img "slideImage") into tImageName
>     
>     put   "_ForWebSite/"  into tDestinationPath
>     put tDestinationPath & tImageName into tHolder
>     -- put URL("binfile:" & the filename of img "slideImage"  ) into URL("binfile:" & tDestinationPath & tImageName)
>     put the filename of img "slideImage" into URL("binfile:" & tDestinationPath & tImageName)
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
> ?On 9/6/20, 8:08 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Brian Milby via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>      Looks like you need to specify a full path for the source and destination.
>
>      on mouseUp
>         local tImageName, tDestinationPath
>         set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>         put (item -1 of the filename of img 1 ) into tImageName
>         put item 1 to -2 of the filename of this stack & "/" into tDestinationPath
>         put URL("binfile:" & the filename of img 1  ) into URL("binfile:" & tDestinationPath & tImageName)
>      end mouseUp
>
>
>      On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:59 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
>      use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>      > Maybe  it is aphasia...
>      >
>      > How do we get file from one location to another location
>      >
>      > on mouseUp
>      >          local tRelativeURL
>      >          -- repeat with x = 1 to (the number of cards of stack
>      > ?SlideShowSetUp?)
>      >          --go card x
>      >         set the itemdelimiter to ?/?
>      >          put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img ?slideimage? ) into
>      > tRelativeURL
>      >         # this works is: there is a path
>      >         # 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg
>      >
>      >         # this does not work:
>      >          put URL(?binfile:? & tRelativeURL ) into
>      > URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
>      >
>      >         put the filename of img ?slideimage? into
>      > URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
>      >
>      >          -- end repeat
>      > end mouseUp
>      >
>      > ??
>      >
>      > Brahmanathaswami
>      >
>      >
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sun Sep  6 18:01:41 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 23:01:41 +0100
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>
References: <55E9E34E-333C-4B65-BBC5-40AFF1ECC9DE@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <9BF7787A-08A6-4D3F-BFD4-D2800BFCAC15@pidigital.co.uk>

on mouseUp
    local tRelativeURL
    -- repeat with x = 1 to (the number of cards of stack ?SlideShowSetUp?)
    --go card x
   set the itemdelimiter to ?/?
    put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img ?slideimage? ) into tRelativeURL
   # this works is: there is a path
   # 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg

   # this will work
    Set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -3 of the filename of img ?slideimage?

    # Just in case:
    If there is not a folder ?_ForWebSite? then
         Create folder ?_ForWebSite?
    End if

    put URL(?binfile:? & tRelativeURL ) into URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
   
    # I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
   set the filename of img ?slideimage? to URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
   
    -- end repeat
end mouseUp


> On 6 Sep 2020, at 14:58, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Maybe  it is aphasia...
> 
> How do we get file from one location to another location
> 
> ??
> 
> Brahmanathaswami




From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sun Sep  6 18:37:06 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 23:37:06 +0100
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <9BF7787A-08A6-4D3F-BFD4-D2800BFCAC15@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <9BF7787A-08A6-4D3F-BFD4-D2800BFCAC15@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F8B2618B-FBBF-4AA1-A978-7B386CF27CD9@pidigital.co.uk>

I?ll try that again::

# I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
  set the filename of img ?slideimage? to (item 1 to -3 of the filename of img ?slideimage? & ?/_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)

> On 6 Sep 2020, at 23:01, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> # I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
>   set the filename of img ?slideimage? to URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Sep  6 22:05:01 2020
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Drs Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 04:05:01 +0200
Subject: GABRIELE STROE could you please contact me
Message-ID: <5acef902-be9a-f9b4-b455-e34c93bc267d@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Gabriele Stroe,

We (Economy-x-Talk) have tried to contact you in every possible way. We 
have even tried to call you, but your phone number appears 
dysfunctional. Please contact me as a as possible by sending an e-mail 
addres to m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com, or contact me on Twitter 
(xtalkprogrammer) or Facebook (marksch) if you have trouble sending e-mails.

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From irog at mac.com  Mon Sep  7 00:26:28 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 21:26:28 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <4B821871-F59F-4127-810C-7F4EBFF35FB3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <24951A7C-9B54-4AB0-B5C7-36C8B4588A3B@mac.com>
 <4B821871-F59F-4127-810C-7F4EBFF35FB3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DC46CD5A-E3EA-490E-9A99-9668AFB676E6@mac.com>

I?m sorry, I don?t understand your terminology. Could you please elaborate? 

Thanks,
Roger

> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Pixel math:
> 
> Counting incomplete pixels within a circle outline (%Pass)(%Fail):
> 10x10 = 88 (88%)(12%)
> 20x20 = 344 (86%)(14%)
> 100x100 = 8012 (80%)(20%)
> 
> Counting complete pixels:
> 10x10 = 48 (48%)(52%)
> 20x20 = 276 (69%)(31%)
> 100x100 = 7444 (74.4%)(26%)
> 
> Your conclusion here: _________________________
> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Sep  7 05:04:31 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:04:31 +0100
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <DC46CD5A-E3EA-490E-9A99-9668AFB676E6@mac.com>
References: <DC46CD5A-E3EA-490E-9A99-9668AFB676E6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7D5FD3D5-972E-4228-9374-10420FB157A3@pidigital.co.uk>

Sure. Draw a circle on a 10x10, 20x20, 100x100, etc grid. Only Whole pixels get counted (Pass or 1 in digital binary). Depending on the methodology, either 1) only those within the circle line (complete) or 2) those on the line itself  and within it (incomplete). 

In your example, a 200x200 circle has a resolution where it?s practically negligible from regular mathematics. However, the resolution at 100x100 and lower starts to flat wildly away from it. If you are measuring using collision and it?s accounting for antialiased pixels it can become even more diverse from standard math as it does not ?see? it in percentages of visible, only on or off. 

So, the difference between measuring only inside of a 200x200 and outside of the 100x100 will throw off considerably any ordinary calculations you might expect. Even a 400x400 PixelWise ?circle?. 

Look up Gauss? Circle Problem. The same chap we get the name for Gaussian blur from. 

> On 7 Sep 2020, at 05:26, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m sorry, I don?t understand your terminology. Could you please elaborate? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Pixel math:
>> 
>> Counting incomplete pixels within a circle outline (%Pass)(%Fail):
>> 10x10 = 88 (88%)(12%)
>> 20x20 = 344 (86%)(14%)
>> 100x100 = 8012 (80%)(20%)
>> 
>> Counting complete pixels:
>> 10x10 = 48 (48%)(52%)
>> 20x20 = 276 (69%)(31%)
>> 100x100 = 7444 (74.4%)(26%)
>> 
>> Your conclusion here: _________________________
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep  7 10:11:01 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 14:11:01 +0000
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <F8B2618B-FBBF-4AA1-A978-7B386CF27CD9@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <9BF7787A-08A6-4D3F-BFD4-D2800BFCAC15@pidigital.co.uk>
 <F8B2618B-FBBF-4AA1-A978-7B386CF27CD9@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <941EA31E-D8F3-4CD8-8D63-172B5DAF57DF@hindu.org>

Goal: to get a folder a disk that can be copied to the web server. We have all kinds of files on disk. So, I am trying to copy a list of filename in the cards of stack. It can't that hard. But I think the method for doing the tRelativeName of filename is "broken" where are get the defaultFolder.

So I tried this. As it as simple as revCopyFile (as I discovered in that dictionary)

But this don't work!

on mouseUp
   local tImageName, tDestinationPath, tDefaultFolder
   get the effective filename of this stack
   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
   put item 1 to -2 of it into tDefaultFolder
   
   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder 
   put the  defaultFolder
   # it appears correct

   --put the filename of img "slideImage" into tImageName
   
   put "ellora /DC123344.jpg" into tImageName
   put   "_ForWebSite" into tDestinationPath
   
   revCopyFile tImageName, tDestinationPath
   
end mouseup

# I'm against the wall on this!
____________
# but directed at your attempt did not work 
# as expected, no file was written

# a new attempt at your email was expecting
# but the defaultFolder was entirely different!

on mouseUp
   local tRelativeURL
   
   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
   put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img "slideimage" ) into tRelativeURL
   # this works is: there is a path
   # 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg
   
   # this will work
   Set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -3 of the filename of img "slideimage"
   put the defaultFolder
# a defaultFolder appeared that was older

     put URL("binfile:" & tRelativeURL ) into URL("binfile:_ForWebSite/"& tRelativeURL)
   
end mouseUp

? Pi Digital wrote:

    I?ll try that again::

    # I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
      set the filename of img ?slideimage? to (item 1 to -3 of the filename of img ?slideimage? & ?/_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)

    > On 6 Sep 2020, at 23:01, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > 
    > # I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
    >   set the filename of img ?slideimage? to URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)




From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Sep  7 10:34:22 2020
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 17:34:22 +0300
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 237
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9AahSyGvroUV7RihQi-Tet=NY0GvswXPmTXKWtnVu-oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #237 here: https://bit.ly/2R4TQzw

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to your e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Sep  7 11:29:36 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:29:36 +0100
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <941EA31E-D8F3-4CD8-8D63-172B5DAF57DF@hindu.org>
References: <941EA31E-D8F3-4CD8-8D63-172B5DAF57DF@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <78D9624F-C059-4D9E-A3AB-BFCEA14CC1A3@pidigital.co.uk>

I see. You will need to use the full path for tImageName. That will be true for all of the file names you have stored on your cards and stacks. 

With images, the filename can be either the full path or a relative path, relative to the defaultFolder or the folder the stack is saved in. RevCopy only assumes names without full paths to be relative to the defaultFolder, not the stack location. RevCopy is definitely better when on desktop systems. 

One way to only see full paths is by turning on ?Always use absolute file paths for images? in the Files & Memory section of the main LC prefs. Or you could set the defaultFolder to specialFolderPath(?resources?) if you would prefer to keep relative paths in the file lists. 

Relying on ?item n1 to n2? for working out the origin path is not always going to be right, especially if you have been using relative paths in your script. Best to use full paths for both tImageName and tDestinationPath. 

Just make sure there wasn?t a space after ?ellora? as in your sample.

I?m confident you will work this out. As you said, it can?t be hard :) It is working fine using both methods here so I?m sure it?s going to be something simple you end up kicking yourself about. 

All the best. 

> On 7 Sep 2020, at 15:11, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Goal: to get a folder a disk that can be copied to the web server. We have all kinds of files on disk. So, I am trying to copy a list of filename in the cards of stack. It can't that hard. But I think the method for doing the tRelativeName of filename is "broken" where are get the defaultFolder.
> 
> So I tried this. As it as simple as revCopyFile (as I discovered in that dictionary)
> 
> But this don't work!
> 
> on mouseUp
>   local tImageName, tDestinationPath, tDefaultFolder
>   get the effective filename of this stack
>   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>   put item 1 to -2 of it into tDefaultFolder
> 
>   set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder 
>   put the  defaultFolder
>   # it appears correct
> 
>   --put the filename of img "slideImage" into tImageName
> 
>   put "ellora /DC123344.jpg" into tImageName
>   put   "_ForWebSite" into tDestinationPath
> 
>   revCopyFile tImageName, tDestinationPath
> 
> end mouseup
> 
> # I'm against the wall on this!
> ____________
> # but directed at your attempt did not work 
> # as expected, no file was written
> 
> # a new attempt at your email was expecting
> # but the defaultFolder was entirely different!
> 
> on mouseUp
>   local tRelativeURL
> 
>   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>   put (the item -2 to -1 of the filename of img "slideimage" ) into tRelativeURL
>   # this works is: there is a path
>   # 1-ellora/dsc1234.jpg
> 
>   # this will work
>   Set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -3 of the filename of img "slideimage"
>   put the defaultFolder
> # a defaultFolder appeared that was older
> 
>     put URL("binfile:" & tRelativeURL ) into URL("binfile:_ForWebSite/"& tRelativeURL)
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> ? Pi Digital wrote:
> 
>    I?ll try that again::
> 
>    # I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
>      set the filename of img ?slideimage? to (item 1 to -3 of the filename of img ?slideimage? & ?/_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
> 
>> On 6 Sep 2020, at 23:01, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> # I?m going to assume this was a hiccup too and now fixed:
>>  set the filename of img ?slideimage? to URL(?binfile:_ForWebSite/? & tRelativeURL)
> 
> 
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Sep  7 13:12:07 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:12:07 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <7D5FD3D5-972E-4228-9374-10420FB157A3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <DC46CD5A-E3EA-490E-9A99-9668AFB676E6@mac.com>
 <7D5FD3D5-972E-4228-9374-10420FB157A3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9BD9574A-75EB-400B-A7EC-059D5D54DECA@mac.com>

Thank you! This is excellent information for me to keep in mind. And a special thanks for pointing me to the Gauss Circle Problem.

Roger



> On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sure. Draw a circle on a 10x10, 20x20, 100x100, etc grid. Only Whole pixels get counted (Pass or 1 in digital binary). Depending on the methodology, either 1) only those within the circle line (complete) or 2) those on the line itself  and within it (incomplete). 
> 
> In your example, a 200x200 circle has a resolution where it?s practically negligible from regular mathematics. However, the resolution at 100x100 and lower starts to flat wildly away from it. If you are measuring using collision and it?s accounting for antialiased pixels it can become even more diverse from standard math as it does not ?see? it in percentages of visible, only on or off. 
> 
> So, the difference between measuring only inside of a 200x200 and outside of the 100x100 will throw off considerably any ordinary calculations you might expect. Even a 400x400 PixelWise ?circle?. 
> 
> Look up Gauss? Circle Problem. The same chap we get the name for Gaussian blur from. 
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 05:26, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m sorry, I don?t understand your terminology. Could you please elaborate? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pixel math:
>>> 
>>> Counting incomplete pixels within a circle outline (%Pass)(%Fail):
>>> 10x10 = 88 (88%)(12%)
>>> 20x20 = 344 (86%)(14%)
>>> 100x100 = 8012 (80%)(20%)
>>> 
>>> Counting complete pixels:
>>> 10x10 = 48 (48%)(52%)
>>> 20x20 = 276 (69%)(31%)
>>> 100x100 = 7444 (74.4%)(26%)
>>> 
>>> Your conclusion here: _________________________
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Sep  7 13:16:20 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 10:16:20 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <7D5FD3D5-972E-4228-9374-10420FB157A3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <DC46CD5A-E3EA-490E-9A99-9668AFB676E6@mac.com>
 <7D5FD3D5-972E-4228-9374-10420FB157A3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F1B24CB1-E903-49F7-B9D4-4FA0BC7BF8E9@mac.com>

? and reminding me yet again that most things are never black or white!

> On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sure. Draw a circle on a 10x10, 20x20, 100x100, etc grid. Only Whole pixels get counted (Pass or 1 in digital binary). Depending on the methodology, either 1) only those within the circle line (complete) or 2) those on the line itself  and within it (incomplete). 
> 
> In your example, a 200x200 circle has a resolution where it?s practically negligible from regular mathematics. However, the resolution at 100x100 and lower starts to flat wildly away from it. If you are measuring using collision and it?s accounting for antialiased pixels it can become even more diverse from standard math as it does not ?see? it in percentages of visible, only on or off. 
> 
> So, the difference between measuring only inside of a 200x200 and outside of the 100x100 will throw off considerably any ordinary calculations you might expect. Even a 400x400 PixelWise ?circle?. 
> 
> Look up Gauss? Circle Problem. The same chap we get the name for Gaussian blur from. 
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 05:26, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m sorry, I don?t understand your terminology. Could you please elaborate? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pixel math:
>>> 
>>> Counting incomplete pixels within a circle outline (%Pass)(%Fail):
>>> 10x10 = 88 (88%)(12%)
>>> 20x20 = 344 (86%)(14%)
>>> 100x100 = 8012 (80%)(20%)
>>> 
>>> Counting complete pixels:
>>> 10x10 = 48 (48%)(52%)
>>> 20x20 = 276 (69%)(31%)
>>> 100x100 = 7444 (74.4%)(26%)
>>> 
>>> Your conclusion here: _________________________
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Sep  7 15:05:56 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:05:56 +0100
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <F1B24CB1-E903-49F7-B9D4-4FA0BC7BF8E9@mac.com>
References: <F1B24CB1-E903-49F7-B9D4-4FA0BC7BF8E9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <60E511E2-2955-499E-9BAE-0B2750D3ED29@pidigital.co.uk>

Except Black

... and white. 


> On 7 Sep 2020, at 18:16, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?? and reminding me yet again that most things are never black or white!




From irog at mac.com  Mon Sep  7 18:48:44 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 15:48:44 -0700
Subject: Contesting for Idiot du Jour
In-Reply-To: <60E511E2-2955-499E-9BAE-0B2750D3ED29@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <F1B24CB1-E903-49F7-B9D4-4FA0BC7BF8E9@mac.com>
 <60E511E2-2955-499E-9BAE-0B2750D3ED29@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6BA2992B-0A56-4FF2-B9FD-58C23A5B3C93@mac.com>

That?s why I said most!

> On Sep 7, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Except Black
> 
> ... and white. 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 18:16, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?? and reminding me yet again that most things are never black or white!
> 
> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep  7 22:32:47 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 02:32:47 +0000
Subject: How Do You Get Filename / Image
In-Reply-To: <78D9624F-C059-4D9E-A3AB-BFCEA14CC1A3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <941EA31E-D8F3-4CD8-8D63-172B5DAF57DF@hindu.org>
 <78D9624F-C059-4D9E-A3AB-BFCEA14CC1A3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B5ED0871-B4E8-499D-A659-721DBCB44F64@hindu.org>

Yes! It was so easy. 

I did not expect to find that

specialFolderPath("resources")

 on desktop went to folder with your stack inside it. Perfect for tDefaultFolder

This did my job! Yay!

on mouseUp
   local tImageName, tDestinationPath,tFolder, tDefaultFolder
   put specialFolderPath("resources") into tDefaultFolder
   
   set the itemdelimiter to "/" 
   
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards
      go card x 
      put the filename of img "slideImage"  into tImageName
      
	put item 1 of tImageName into tFolder    
      create folder tDefaultFolder & "/_ForWebSite/" & tFolder
      
      put tDefaultFolder & "/" & the filename of img "slideImage" into tImageName
      put tDefaultFolder & "/_ForWebSite/" & tFolder & "/" into tDestinationPath
      
      revCopyFile tImageName, tDestinationPath
   end repeat
end mouseup

?

Pi Digital wrote:

    I see. 


From engleerica at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  8 23:55:12 2020
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 03:55:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?
References: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!

I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.

Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode? 



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 03:57:44 2020
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:57:44 +0300
Subject: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?
In-Reply-To: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <592281dd-fc48-45f3-0ca8-a76ef7c2afe6@gmail.com>

I won't pretend to know anything about Chinese.

BUT, I have just copy-pasted ?? from a Google Translate window into an 
LC text-field.

I have, also, copied Chinese ideographs from one text-field and posted 
them into a second one.

Dead easy. :-)

Richmond.

On 9.09.20 6:55, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.
>
> Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode?
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Sep  9 08:37:22 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:37:22 -0400
Subject: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?
In-Reply-To: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <377095e3-277d-6c39-4462-3b1bc8b934d1@researchware.com>

As mentions, Unicode in a field just works (there is a known issue with 
Thai word breaks and another with printing Hindi)

If you want to get Chinese (traditional or simplified) into a field, you 
can:

1)? get the text from a Utf8 ot utf16 text file and textDecode it i.e 
put url ("file:"&filepath) into tContent; put 
textDecode(tContent,"utf8") into fld "someField"
2) get the text from an RTF file, like the above, but set the rtfText of 
the field to the imported rtf data
3) use a 3rd party library, like Wordlib (see the livecode store) to 
read Microsoft Word .docx or Open Office .odt files


On 9/8/2020 11:55 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.
>
> Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode?
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep  9 10:16:05 2020
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:16:05 -0400
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <F4807448-8B80-4EAF-93F9-D5FBD0098C07@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMQfCGfs0snkJx7gkXV4R=4rp0kCqo-DxHtzz=e4Z2YDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <129666f2-a908-627f-ca1d-77fa3bb9a755@fourthworld.com>
 <F4807448-8B80-4EAF-93F9-D5FBD0098C07@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNNd2pik-ia4zFbmhtNHpkPkd=rZWvCx4Mio+VbWq84yg@mail.gmail.com>

it's yours until you get a cease and desist letter.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't
> change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is
> finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
>
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From curry at pair.com  Wed Sep  9 13:28:43 2020
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 13:28:43 -0400
Subject: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?
In-Reply-To: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ceecc40b-d28d-cf47-12f7-f77e69f37ff7@pair.com>


Livecode ???????? ?????????

???????????????????????????? Livecode ????????????????????????? ??????????????????

:)

Best wishes,

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"Better Methods, Better Results"
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Wed Sep  9 13:58:05 2020
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:58:05 -0700
Subject: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?
In-Reply-To: <377095e3-277d-6c39-4462-3b1bc8b934d1@researchware.com>
References: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1924915525.84357.1599623712542@mail.yahoo.com>
 <377095e3-277d-6c39-4462-3b1bc8b934d1@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <7E76355C-A0CF-460E-9922-243EBF69EB83@me.com>

I?ve been working with simplified Chinese for some time now. You can indeed move and manipulate the characters quite straightforwardly.

I do see some odd line breaks that show mostly in narrow fields.

If you are working with cross-platform (Mac/Windows) text, you won?t necessarily get uniformity between them. Windows text is rendered slightly wider. If you?re working on a Mac and setting some text to a particular font, the same text that is displayed can be bad if you don?t have the font installed on the Windows machine. Font substitution happens, which will look odd. Fonts in Chinese are somewhat of a black hole.

Peter Bogdanoff

> On Sep 9, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> As mentions, Unicode in a field just works (there is a known issue with Thai word breaks and another with printing Hindi)
> 
> If you want to get Chinese (traditional or simplified) into a field, you can:
> 
> 1)  get the text from a Utf8 ot utf16 text file and textDecode it i.e put url ("file:"&filepath) into tContent; put textDecode(tContent,"utf8") into fld "someField"
> 2) get the text from an RTF file, like the above, but set the rtfText of the field to the imported rtf data
> 3) use a 3rd party library, like Wordlib (see the livecode store) to read Microsoft Word .docx or Open Office .odt files
> 
> 
> On 9/8/2020 11:55 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.
>> 
>> Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode?
>> 
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 17:37:21 2020
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:37:21 +0100
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <136A22F8-0EE0-42C3-A07A-D829A50B7BF5@milby7.com>
References: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <136A22F8-0EE0-42C3-A07A-D829A50B7BF5@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <5594a0bf-5e56-4ee4-a2f9-e37b4f0609d2@Spark>

Ah that explains it. The extents works but I seem to remember for each is considerably faster
On 2 Sep 2020, 16:29 +0100, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> As long as the array is indexed starting at 1 with no gaps it should work by looping for each element. I just did a quick test to confirm. I built a 100 element array and it looped in order. I deleted 2 keys and then it didn?t. I then added those 2 missing keys back and it worked again.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 2, 2020, at 10:55 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
> >
> > Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 17:41:48 2020
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:41:48 +0100
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <56FCC584-34FA-49AB-A7AA-53227A7C173E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>
 <7DA5CCBB-4E86-43CD-8ABB-0C99287F32F5@iotecdigital.com>
 <56FCC584-34FA-49AB-A7AA-53227A7C173E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f8d8b5a1-d893-4116-8b93-3f874af00c6c@Spark>

Id like to create a stack??- has to be a stack - and for the text and some other elements to be visible but the stack background to be transparent - is this possible with some combination of inks and masks and blend levels?
On 2 Sep 2020, 22:03 +0100, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> It appears I have that backwards?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ditto, and I am not sure what noticeable impact one method would have over another. There was some blurb a long time ago about how these keys are internally sorted. I believe what was proposed is that a set of NUMERIC keys beginning with 0 would actually sort correctly.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Nope you have to sort them NUMERIC. As you said this is the only way I know of. I do this all the time. I don't know of any other way.
> > >
> > > put the keys of tMyArray into tKeys
> > > sort lines of tKeys numeric
> > > repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
> > >
> > > -- do what you want with tMyArray[tKey]
> > > -- this line will put the array data in the message box (assuming there is no other sub keys in each numeric array entry).
> > > put tMyArray[tKey] into tMyVar
> > >
> > > end repeat
> > >
> > > Ralph DiMola
> > > IT Director
> > > Evergreen Information Services
> > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Bovill via use-livecode
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 10:55 AM
> > > To: How to use LiveCode
> > > Cc: David Bovill
> > > Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
> > >
> > > I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
> > >
> > > Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
> > > _______________________________________________
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Sep 10 18:10:06 2020
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:10:06 +0000
Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
In-Reply-To: <5594a0bf-5e56-4ee4-a2f9-e37b4f0609d2@Spark>
References: <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <136A22F8-0EE0-42C3-A07A-D829A50B7BF5@milby7.com>
 <5594a0bf-5e56-4ee4-a2f9-e37b4f0609d2@Spark>
Message-ID: <D9151B46-67B7-4C3D-9410-CC4AEC1F0E88@clearvisiontech.com>

David,

Maybe there are better ways, but here's what I always do when I have an array with numbered keys...

put the keys of pArray into aKeys
sort lines of aKeys numeric
repeat for each line k in aKeys
   //do something with pArray[k]
end repeat

Hope that helps.   :)

-Dan
 

?On 9/10/20, 2:39 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of David Bovill via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Ah that explains it. The extents works but I seem to remember for each is considerably faster
    On 2 Sep 2020, 16:29 +0100, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
    > As long as the array is indexed starting at 1 with no gaps it should work by looping for each element. I just did a quick test to confirm. I built a 100 element array and it looped in order. I deleted 2 keys and then it didn?t. I then added those 2 missing keys back and it worked again.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > > On Sep 2, 2020, at 10:55 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
    > >
    > > Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
    > > _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Sep 10 18:12:44 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:12:44 +0000
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <f8d8b5a1-d893-4116-8b93-3f874af00c6c@Spark>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>
 <7DA5CCBB-4E86-43CD-8ABB-0C99287F32F5@iotecdigital.com>
 <56FCC584-34FA-49AB-A7AA-53227A7C173E@iotecdigital.com>
 <f8d8b5a1-d893-4116-8b93-3f874af00c6c@Spark>
Message-ID: <5A73AD7F-D14B-48CC-A34E-B6A02181A8AA@iotecdigital.com>

I believe you can add an alpha channel to mask the stack. I have never done it, but I heard it discussed a number of times. 

Bob S


> On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:41 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Id like to create a stack  - has to be a stack - and for the text and some other elements to be visible but the stack background to be transparent - is this possible with some combination of inks and masks and blend levels?
> On 2 Sep 2020, 22:03 +0100, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>> It appears I have that backwards?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ditto, and I am not sure what noticeable impact one method would have over another. There was some blurb a long time ago about how these keys are internally sorted. I believe what was proposed is that a set of NUMERIC keys beginning with 0 would actually sort correctly.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> David,
>>>> 
>>>> Nope you have to sort them NUMERIC. As you said this is the only way I know of. I do this all the time. I don't know of any other way.
>>>> 
>>>> put the keys of tMyArray into tKeys
>>>> sort lines of tKeys numeric
>>>> repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
>>>> 
>>>> -- do what you want with tMyArray[tKey]
>>>> -- this line will put the array data in the message box (assuming there is no other sub keys in each numeric array entry).
>>>> put tMyArray[tKey] into tMyVar
>>>> 
>>>> end repeat
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>> IT Director
>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Bovill via use-livecode
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 10:55 AM
>>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>>> Cc: David Bovill
>>>> Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
>>>> 
>>>> I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
>>>> 
>>>> Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 18:37:16 2020
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 23:37:16 +0100
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <5A73AD7F-D14B-48CC-A34E-B6A02181A8AA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CABRqQSSvPXufXXu3FKCq90925NnGgAAMKUD3rg+zCq9agMn8ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <537ae012-e11b-4e5d-80c9-9d8af5d7a71f@Spark>
 <002301d6813d$1cafcdc0$560f6940$@net>
 <7DA5CCBB-4E86-43CD-8ABB-0C99287F32F5@iotecdigital.com>
 <56FCC584-34FA-49AB-A7AA-53227A7C173E@iotecdigital.com>
 <f8d8b5a1-d893-4116-8b93-3f874af00c6c@Spark>
 <5A73AD7F-D14B-48CC-A34E-B6A02181A8AA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e1251b23-bb60-4477-892b-d2283df88326@Spark>

Yes. Not sure but I think this will nuke all the other layers - I?m hoping that an ink on an object can prevent this from being transparent as well. I don?t think that is possible/

Use case scrolling text over a live video.
On 10 Sep 2020, 23:13 +0100, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> I believe you can add an alpha channel to mask the stack. I have never done it, but I heard it discussed a number of times.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:41 PM, David Bovill via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Id like to create a stack - has to be a stack - and for the text and some other elements to be visible but the stack background to be transparent - is this possible with some combination of inks and masks and blend levels?
> > On 2 Sep 2020, 22:03 +0100, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > > It appears I have that backwards?
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ditto, and I am not sure what noticeable impact one method would have over another. There was some blurb a long time ago about how these keys are internally sorted. I believe what was proposed is that a set of NUMERIC keys beginning with 0 would actually sort correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Bob S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 2, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > David,
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope you have to sort them NUMERIC. As you said this is the only way I know of. I do this all the time. I don't know of any other way.
> > > > >
> > > > > put the keys of tMyArray into tKeys
> > > > > sort lines of tKeys numeric
> > > > > repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
> > > > >
> > > > > -- do what you want with tMyArray[tKey]
> > > > > -- this line will put the array data in the message box (assuming there is no other sub keys in each numeric array entry).
> > > > > put tMyArray[tKey] into tMyVar
> > > > >
> > > > > end repeat
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph DiMola
> > > > > IT Director
> > > > > Evergreen Information Services
> > > > > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of David Bovill via use-livecode
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 10:55 AM
> > > > > To: How to use LiveCode
> > > > > Cc: David Bovill
> > > > > Subject: Looping though a numerically indexed array
> > > > >
> > > > > I?m pretty sure there must be a way to efficiently loop through numerically indexed arrays
> > > > >
> > > > > Repeat for each key and repeat for each element does not seem to sort the keys in numeric order,. Of course I can get the keys and sort them before repeating - but is there a more efficient way?
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From charles-lachat at orange.fr  Thu Sep 10 18:33:37 2020
From: charles-lachat at orange.fr (Charles Lachat)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:33:37 +0200
Subject: Issue with dropbox
References: <D7D515E2-30F8-44D6-B3FF-4B02431D44FD@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>

Hi everybody,

A friend has accepted to test my new desktop app. I upload the app to dropbox and send a link, by e-mail, to my friend.

My app is in a folder "A" containing :

** the app 
** a folder "B" containing several text files the app needs

The folder "A" is zipped before uploading.

After downloading (friend side) and unzipping, all the files are there but the app behaves as if there were no folder "B".

Most of the time.

What am I doing wrong ? Any idee ?




Thanks
Charles Lachat

===========
iMac 2019
macOS 10.14
Livecode 9.6.0





From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Sep 10 19:30:15 2020
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:30:15 -0700
Subject: Issue with dropbox
In-Reply-To: <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
References: <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <0723A7E7-CC05-4E85-9240-3ACE1F201279@pacifier.com>

Is it possible the app refers to folder B using
the path created when folder B was not in
the zipped or unzipped file therefore it can
not see folder B?

JB

> On Sep 10, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Charles Lachat via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi everybody,
> 
> A friend has accepted to test my new desktop app. I upload the app to dropbox and send a link, by e-mail, to my friend.
> 
> My app is in a folder "A" containing :
> 
> ** the app 
> ** a folder "B" containing several text files the app needs
> 
> The folder "A" is zipped before uploading.
> 
> After downloading (friend side) and unzipping, all the files are there but the app behaves as if there were no folder "B".
> 
> Most of the time.
> 
> What am I doing wrong ? Any idee ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Charles Lachat
> 
> ===========
> iMac 2019
> macOS 10.14
> Livecode 9.6.0
> 
> 
> 
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Sep 10 22:51:56 2020
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:51:56 -0400
Subject: Pass Javascript Variable to LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <0723A7E7-CC05-4E85-9240-3ACE1F201279@pacifier.com>
References: <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
 <0723A7E7-CC05-4E85-9240-3ACE1F201279@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <F0792FF5-BF3B-40DC-A328-D5E9C0F25CAB@all-auctions.com>

I have a Javascript variable that I need to
get from one web format file into another,
over an LC server. I was looking at Javascript 
Sessions variables, but then I wondered if I
could somehow put the Javascript variable 
into a LiveCode variable and work with it 
that way?

I?m still learning Javascript so I thought
perhaps others on this list might know
better than I what is possible and what
isn?t possible.

Thanks,

Rick


From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Fri Sep 11 03:52:01 2020
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Jimmieson, Phil)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:52:01 +0000
Subject: Issue with dropbox
In-Reply-To: <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
References: <D7D515E2-30F8-44D6-B3FF-4B02431D44FD@orange.fr>
 <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
Message-ID: <736FBC4A-703B-41D9-BE41-B42B046D637A@liverpool.ac.uk>

Hi Charles,
if this is on a Mac, it?s a security feature - apps cannot access folders outside of their own bundle unless the user explicitly grants permission. If you add an "answer folder?  command to your program, and ask the user to select folder B, then your app will be granted access to it and everything will work as it should.

Downloaded apps (even if you download them in a zip file) are flagged as being insecure and are not allowed to access your Mac?s filesystem.

I had this problem with an app of mine. An alternative approach I took there was to put folders of required supporting files into the app?s own bundle - using the standalone builder?s copy files tab. Apps are allowed to access files in their own bundle (but should not change them if your app is digitally signed).

--
Phil Jimmieson
University of Liverpool, Computer Science Department
Ashton Bldg, Ashton Street, Liverpool. L69 3BX
0151 795 4236

On 10 Sep 2020, at 23:33, Charles Lachat via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi everybody,

A friend has accepted to test my new desktop app. I upload the app to dropbox and send a link, by e-mail, to my friend.

My app is in a folder "A" containing :

** the app
** a folder "B" containing several text files the app needs

The folder "A" is zipped before uploading.

After downloading (friend side) and unzipping, all the files are there but the app behaves as if there were no folder "B".

Most of the time.

What am I doing wrong ? Any idee ?




Thanks
Charles Lachat

===========
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macOS 10.14
Livecode 9.6.0



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From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Sep 11 14:04:26 2020
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:04:26 -0700
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B3645DDA-CEE9-41F5-9154-525FBBD228E4@netrin.com>

> DavidB wrote:
> 
>  the text and some other elements to be visible but the stack background to be transparent 


Start with a card having a field and a button.
1. Create a GRC retangle the same rect as the card.

2. Set its opaque to false.

3. Set its linesize to 0.

4. Send it to back.

5. Group it with the field and a button.

6. Set the threeD of the Group to false.

7. Set both the borderwidth and margins of the group to 0.

8. Import snapshot from this card.

9. Hide last image.

10. Set the windowshape of this stack to the id of the last image.


This results in the field and button 'floating independently' over whatever else is on your screen. That is, the rest of the card is invisible.

From martyknappster at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 18:32:37 2020
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:32:37 -0700
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <B3645DDA-CEE9-41F5-9154-525FBBD228E4@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <B3645DDA-CEE9-41F5-9154-525FBBD228E4@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <208DB8B7-B694-4420-8EBA-0106123F4F25@gmail.com>

I was just tinkering with this and it wouldn?t work until I changed the ?import snapshot" from card to ?import snapshot? from the group. But that?s a very cool trick! Thanks Jim.

Marty

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> DavidB wrote:
>> 
>> the text and some other elements to be visible but the stack background to be transparent 
> 
> 
> Start with a card having a field and a button.
> 1. Create a GRC retangle the same rect as the card.
> 
> 2. Set its opaque to false.
> 
> 3. Set its linesize to 0.
> 
> 4. Send it to back.
> 
> 5. Group it with the field and a button.
> 
> 6. Set the threeD of the Group to false.
> 
> 7. Set both the borderwidth and margins of the group to 0.
> 
> 8. Import snapshot from this card.
> 
> 9. Hide last image.
> 
> 10. Set the windowshape of this stack to the id of the last image.
> 
> 
> This results in the field and button 'floating independently' over whatever else is on your screen. That is, the rest of the card is invisible.
> _______________________________________________




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Sep 11 19:09:23 2020
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 01:09:23 +0200
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <208DB8B7-B694-4420-8EBA-0106123F4F25@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <B3645DDA-CEE9-41F5-9154-525FBBD228E4@netrin.com>
 <208DB8B7-B694-4420-8EBA-0106123F4F25@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45A2A86A-9FCD-4239-AB13-2F86EC53057A@m-r-d.de>

Thanks for the hint to import the snapshot from the group. I followed Jim's instructions w/o success and was a little disappointed.


-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 12.09.2020 um 00:32 schrieb Marty Knapp via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I was just tinkering with this and it wouldn?t work until I changed the ?import snapshot" from card to ?import snapshot? from the group. But that?s a very cool trick! Thanks Jim.
> 
> Marty
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> DavidB wrote:
>>> 
>>> the text and some other elements to be visible but the stack background to be transparent 
>> 
>> 
>> Start with a card having a field and a button.
>> 1. Create a GRC retangle the same rect as the card.
>> 
>> 2. Set its opaque to false.
>> 
>> 3. Set its linesize to 0.
>> 
>> 4. Send it to back.
>> 
>> 5. Group it with the field and a button.
>> 
>> 6. Set the threeD of the Group to false.
>> 
>> 7. Set both the borderwidth and margins of the group to 0.
>> 
>> 8. Import snapshot from this card.
>> 
>> 9. Hide last image.
>> 
>> 10. Set the windowshape of this stack to the id of the last image.
>> 
>> 
>> This results in the field and button 'floating independently' over whatever else is on your screen. That is, the rest of the card is invisible.
>> _______________________________________________
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 19:16:11 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:16:11 -0700
Subject: Persistant Insertion Point
Message-ID: <CB9F0BA8-F596-46A6-9CAE-E6A466779B60@mac.com>

I have 2 fields, the first from which I take the mouseText, the second  into which I place that text. Trouble is, I want the placed text to be at the insertion point I had before clicking outside that field. 
Can someone suggest a way to preserve the insertion point in a field as one clicks into another field?

I appreciate any help

From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Sep 11 19:58:50 2020
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 00:58:50 +0100
Subject: Persistant Insertion Point
In-Reply-To: <CB9F0BA8-F596-46A6-9CAE-E6A466779B60@mac.com>
References: <CB9F0BA8-F596-46A6-9CAE-E6A466779B60@mac.com>
Message-ID: <832775b5-2b05-3127-854c-4eab5c838131@tweedly.net>

You can save the insertion point (i.e. the selectedchunk) when you leave 
the second field, and then provide a handler to insert text at that 
saved point; and of course call that handler when needed

e.g.?? in your "second field, have

> local sChunk
> on exitfield
> ?? put the selectedchunk into sChunk
> ?? put schunk &CR after msg
> end exitfield
>
> on closefield
> ?? put the selectedchunk into sChunk
> ?? put schunk &CR after msg
> end closefield
>
> on acceptText pText
> ?? do "put" && pText && "into" && sChunk
> ?? put "accepted" && schunk & Cr after msg
> end acceptText
and in the other field have something like

> ON selectionchanged
> ?? local tmp
> ?? put "here" &Cr after msg
> ?? put the mousetext into tmp
> ?? dispatch "accepttext" to fld 2 with tmp
> ?? put "disp" && it && the result &Cr after msg
> end selectionchanged
Alex.

On 12/09/2020 00:16, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> I have 2 fields, the first from which I take the mouseText, the second  into which I place that text. Trouble is, I want the placed text to be at the insertion point I had before clicking outside that field.
> Can someone suggest a way to preserve the insertion point in a field as one clicks into another field?
>
> I appreciate any help
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From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Sep 11 20:44:11 2020
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:44:11 -0700
Subject: Possible : stack with transparent backgound?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9C432444-4D39-4BB1-A816-DC255D048743@netrin.com>

Here's an example:
go stack url "https://netrin.on-rev.com/misc/TransparentStack.livecode"


JimL

From irog at mac.com  Fri Sep 11 21:25:51 2020
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:25:51 -0700
Subject: Persistant Insertion Point
In-Reply-To: <832775b5-2b05-3127-854c-4eab5c838131@tweedly.net>
References: <CB9F0BA8-F596-46A6-9CAE-E6A466779B60@mac.com>
 <832775b5-2b05-3127-854c-4eab5c838131@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <55FAB67C-70A1-48FF-A58E-2A58D0A2CD94@mac.com>

Thank you, Alex. That?s just what I need!

Roger

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You can save the insertion point (i.e. the selectedchunk) when you leave the second field, and then provide a handler to insert text at that saved point; and of course call that handler when needed
> 
> e.g.   in your "second field, have
> 
>> local sChunk
>> on exitfield
>>    put the selectedchunk into sChunk
>>    put schunk &CR after msg
>> end exitfield
>> 
>> on closefield
>>    put the selectedchunk into sChunk
>>    put schunk &CR after msg
>> end closefield
>> 
>> on acceptText pText
>>    do "put" && pText && "into" && sChunk
>>    put "accepted" && schunk & Cr after msg
>> end acceptText
> and in the other field have something like
> 
>> ON selectionchanged
>>    local tmp
>>    put "here" &Cr after msg
>>    put the mousetext into tmp
>>    dispatch "accepttext" to fld 2 with tmp
>>    put "disp" && it && the result &Cr after msg
>> end selectionchanged
> Alex.
> 
> On 12/09/2020 00:16, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I have 2 fields, the first from which I take the mouseText, the second  into which I place that text. Trouble is, I want the placed text to be at the insertion point I had before clicking outside that field.
>> Can someone suggest a way to preserve the insertion point in a field as one clicks into another field?
>> 
>> I appreciate any help
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 03:52:34 2020
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 08:52:34 +0100
Subject: Livecode and GPU's
In-Reply-To: <9C432444-4D39-4BB1-A816-DC255D048743@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599840001.74230.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <9C432444-4D39-4BB1-A816-DC255D048743@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <3a95bd07-cb18-41ef-b3dc-3510afe6d057@Spark>

Thanks Jim - works a treat. Didn?t think this one would be possible.
On 12 Sep 2020, 01:45 +0100, How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>
> go stack url "https://netrin.on-rev.com/misc/TransparentStack.livecode"

I can now use this technique to layer elements over things such as the browser widget, of player object when playing streaming video. It?s relatively fast so for instance typing text in the field and exporting a snapshot with each letter types works acceptably.

Graphic processing of live video layers
Out of interest why does live streaming video to a player object or other tools (camera control or browser widget) draw directly to the screen? I understand this will be faster, but with modern gpu?s other applications do amazing things. Does anyone know if this is a complex thing to do in terms of coding - or is it just a choice made by developers thinking that layering of things like video is not something many people want to do?

Livecode and GPU's
I?ve noticed in these tests that Livecode is not using any GPU?s for doing these complex graphic tasks. I have Activity Monitor open and a couple of CPU cores are being used but none of the GPU?s. I?m wondering if this is an issue for speed, and what is involved with taking advantage of the capabilities of GPU?s in the code we write?


From engleerica at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 22:39:07 2020
From: engleerica at yahoo.com (Eric A. Engle)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 02:39:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
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References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>

 I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in a repo?

any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me     On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 PM EDT, <use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com> wrote:  
 
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 03:55:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Eric A. Engle" <engleerica at yahoo.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode): guide?
Message-ID: <1924915525.84357.1599623712542 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi!

I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.

Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode? 



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:57:44 +0300
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To: "Eric A. Engle via use-livecode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode):
??? guide?
Message-ID: <592281dd-fc48-45f3-0ca8-a76ef7c2afe6 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I won't pretend to know anything about Chinese.

BUT, I have just copy-pasted ?? from a Google Translate window into an 
LC text-field.

I have, also, copied Chinese ideographs from one text-field and posted 
them into a second one.

Dead easy. :-)

Richmond.

On 9.09.20 6:55, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.
>
> Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode?
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:37:22 -0400
From: Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: text manipulation with Chinese characters (unicode):
??? guide?
Message-ID: <377095e3-277d-6c39-4462-3b1bc8b934d1 at researchware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

As mentions, Unicode in a field just works (there is a known issue with 
Thai word breaks and another with printing Hindi)

If you want to get Chinese (traditional or simplified) into a field, you 
can:

1)? get the text from a Utf8 ot utf16 text file and textDecode it i.e 
put url ("file:"&filepath) into tContent; put 
textDecode(tContent,"utf8") into fld "someField"
2) get the text from an RTF file, like the above, but set the rtfText of 
the field to the imported rtf data
3) use a 3rd party library, like Wordlib (see the livecode store) to 
read Microsoft Word .docx or Open Office .odt files


On 9/8/2020 11:55 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would like to be able to copy and paste into fields and scripts Chinese characters, which are of course unicode and then manipulate the resulting strings.
>
> Is this possible in livecode? How? Are there any good Recent guides to working with unicode in livecode?
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:16:05 -0400
From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Hacktoberfest is coming
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

it's yours until you get a cease and desist letter.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't
> change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is
> finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 14 05:00:18 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:00:18 +0200
Subject: THIS group
Message-ID: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
... of THIS GROUP
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22906>
Would be a helpful addition.

Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.


Best

Klaus
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https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Sep 14 08:10:09 2020
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:10:09 +0200
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <39296468-9A12-43C5-9F1B-344C287A8620@m-r-d.de>

But which group shall be "this group" if there are nested groups and a script in a button, which is in a "sub" group,  uses "this group"?




-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 14.09.2020 um 11:00 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
> ... of THIS GROUP
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22906>
> Would be a helpful addition.
> 
> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 14 08:22:37 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:22:37 +0200
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <39296468-9A12-43C5-9F1B-344C287A8620@m-r-d.de>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <39296468-9A12-43C5-9F1B-344C287A8620@m-r-d.de>
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Hi Matthias,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 14:10 schrieb matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> But which group shall be "this group" if there are nested groups and a script in a button, which is in a "sub" group,  uses "this group"?

well, this would of course mean -> the owner of the target
The "sub" group in your example. Would not make sense otherwise.

> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 14.09.2020 um 11:00 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
>> ... of THIS GROUP
>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22906>
>> Would be a helpful addition.
>> 
>> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From charles-lachat at orange.fr  Mon Sep 14 08:20:39 2020
From: charles-lachat at orange.fr (Charles Lachat)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:20:39 +0200
Subject: Issue with dropbox
In-Reply-To: <736FBC4A-703B-41D9-BE41-B42B046D637A@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <D7D515E2-30F8-44D6-B3FF-4B02431D44FD@orange.fr>
 <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
 <736FBC4A-703B-41D9-BE41-B42B046D637A@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <101D6697-5112-4E03-939A-8E5EA29918A6@orange.fr>

Hi,

Everything works fine now.

Thanks a lot.

Ch. Lachat


> Le 11 sept. 2020 ? 09:52, Jimmieson, Phil via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a ?crit :
> 
> Hi Charles,
> if this is on a Mac, it?s a security feature - apps cannot access folders outside of their own bundle unless the user explicitly grants permission. If you add an "answer folder?  command to your program, and ask the user to select folder B, then your app will be granted access to it and everything will work as it should.
> 
> Downloaded apps (even if you download them in a zip file) are flagged as being insecure and are not allowed to access your Mac?s filesystem.
> 
> I had this problem with an app of mine. An alternative approach I took there was to put folders of required supporting files into the app?s own bundle - using the standalone builder?s copy files tab. Apps are allowed to access files in their own bundle (but should not change them if your app is digitally signed).
> 
> --
> Phil Jimmieson
> University of Liverpool, Computer Science Department
> Ashton Bldg, Ashton Street, Liverpool. L69 3BX
> 0151 795 4236
> 
> On 10 Sep 2020, at 23:33, Charles Lachat via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> A friend has accepted to test my new desktop app. I upload the app to dropbox and send a link, by e-mail, to my friend.
> 
> My app is in a folder "A" containing :
> 
> ** the app
> ** a folder "B" containing several text files the app needs
> 
> The folder "A" is zipped before uploading.
> 
> After downloading (friend side) and unzipping, all the files are there but the app behaves as if there were no folder "B".
> 
> Most of the time.
> 
> What am I doing wrong ? Any idee ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Charles Lachat
> 
> ===========
> iMac 2019
> macOS 10.14
> Livecode 9.6.0
> 
> 
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Sep 14 09:04:16 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:04:16 -0400
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
In-Reply-To: <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bfdb4bb8-7c10-7679-dec0-f9358c8c775b@researchware.com>

On 9/13/2020 10:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
>   I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in a repo?
>
> any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me

It probably isn't in a 'repo' because I, like probably a number of other 
people on this list who use LiveCode a lot, have no idea what 'gksudo 
aptitude livecode' is other than probably some Linux commands.

I'd much rather download and run the installer than need to learn some 
more esoteric commands to install the software.



From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Sep 14 11:13:04 2020
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:13:04 +0300
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 238
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8vLqKN4G55UFXJRDXRtRwKyMAgADJYia=3axD1RRUMJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #238 here: https://bit.ly/3iy24MW

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to your e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.

-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Sep 14 11:33:16 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:33:16 -0700
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>

On 9/14/20 2:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi friends,
> 
> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
> ... of THIS GROUP
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22906>
> Would be a helpful addition.
> 
> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.

But as you point out "of the owner of me" already does the trick, and 
since Mr. Waddingham is allergic to synonyms, there's no chance this 
will ever get implemented.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 14 11:35:14 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:35:14 +0200
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 17:33 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 9/14/20 2:00 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> I just field an enhancement request to make THIS also work for groups.
>> ... of THIS GROUP
>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22906>
>> Would be a helpful addition.
>> Currently THIS only works for cards and stacks.
> 
> But as you point out "of the owner of me" already does the trick, and since Mr. Waddingham is allergic to synonyms, there's no chance this will ever get implemented.

thank your for your encouraging words! :-D

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Sep 14 11:46:49 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:46:49 -0700
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
In-Reply-To: <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a8bd79ef-e974-3e6a-b239-5836a001159d@sonic.net>

On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
>   I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in a repo?
> 
> any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me     On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 PM EDT, <use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=29266

as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier than 
the current kludge.

(as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now in 
favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. But 
no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Sep 14 11:49:21 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:49:21 -0700
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
 <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>

On 9/14/20 8:35 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

> thank your for your encouraging words! :-D

LOL. Well, having been down that rabbit hole before, I just thought I'd 
mention it.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 14 11:51:04 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:51:04 +0200
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
 <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
 <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <C599CA4A-7CCD-4932-8902-88219B322EE6@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 17:49 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 9/14/20 8:35 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> thank your for your encouraging words! :-D
> 
> LOL. Well, having been down that rabbit hole before, I just thought I'd mention it.

yes, and as I said I thank you for this, but it is always worth a try. ;-)

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 13:47:27 2020
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:47:27 +0300
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
In-Reply-To: <a8bd79ef-e974-3e6a-b239-5836a001159d@sonic.net>
References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
 <a8bd79ef-e974-3e6a-b239-5836a001159d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <63ec782b-720b-4933-4291-1e945ec7e749@gmail.com>

Because, in spite of what LiveCode will tell you, the Linux side of 
things is marginal and minimal, and
while a .deb might be alright for Debian and its derivatives, it is not 
going to be alright for other types
of Linux: "too much work for too little return": I can see it coming.

Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
than? the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.

On 14.09.20 18:46, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
>> ? I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why 
>> isn't it in a repo?
>>
>> any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line 
>> interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR 
>> SIMILAR please tell me???? On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 
>> PM EDT, <use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=29266
>
> as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
> package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier 
> than the current kludge.
>
> (as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now 
> in favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. 
> But no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)
>




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Sep 14 14:18:34 2020
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:18:34 -0400
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <C599CA4A-7CCD-4932-8902-88219B322EE6@major-k.de>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
 <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
 <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>
 <C599CA4A-7CCD-4932-8902-88219B322EE6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <002101d68ac3$784434c0$68cc9e40$@net>

I can see why the mother ship does not like synonyms. In this case I think
it would be advantageous for new users if "this" was extended so that "this
group" was the same as "the owner of the target". I found myself digging
around until I found "the owner of the target" in the beginning. Not all
synonyms are the devil incarnate. In this case there would be no backwards
compatibility issues?

2 cents...

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Sep 14 14:53:27 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:53:27 -0700
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
In-Reply-To: <63ec782b-720b-4933-4291-1e945ec7e749@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
 <a8bd79ef-e974-3e6a-b239-5836a001159d@sonic.net>
 <63ec782b-720b-4933-4291-1e945ec7e749@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <893d3ceb-189a-9104-f051-5df2e33f8d1d@sonic.net>

On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

> Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
> than? the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.

Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into 
the various repositories and thus get more exposure.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 15:05:40 2020
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:05:40 +0300
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
In-Reply-To: <893d3ceb-189a-9104-f051-5df2e33f8d1d@sonic.net>
References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
 <a8bd79ef-e974-3e6a-b239-5836a001159d@sonic.net>
 <63ec782b-720b-4933-4291-1e945ec7e749@gmail.com>
 <893d3ceb-189a-9104-f051-5df2e33f8d1d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwtjUeaQif0-OESJT+Q4oo_72wd9XDkjfRpNYdgzEUydBww@mail.gmail.com>

That is a good point.
The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
Ubuntu thing.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 9:54 pm Mark Wieder via use-livecode, <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
>
> Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 14 15:06:59 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 21:06:59 +0200
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <002101d68ac3$784434c0$68cc9e40$@net>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
 <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
 <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>
 <C599CA4A-7CCD-4932-8902-88219B322EE6@major-k.de>
 <002101d68ac3$784434c0$68cc9e40$@net>
Message-ID: <299B60C5-97BB-4FE6-A1BA-B383826B39BD@major-k.de>

Ji Ralph,

> Am 14.09.2020 um 20:18 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I can see why the mother ship does not like synonyms. In this case I think
> it would be advantageous for new users if "this" was extended so that "this
> group" was the same as "the owner of the target". I found myself digging
> around until I found "the owner of the target" in the beginning. Not all
> synonyms are the devil incarnate. In this case there would be no backwards
> compatibility issues?

of course not, simply because this does not work currently! :-)

> 2 cents...
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Sep 14 16:17:56 2020
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 21:17:56 +0100
Subject: sudo apt-get install livecode
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwtjUeaQif0-OESJT+Q4oo_72wd9XDkjfRpNYdgzEUydBww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1599667201.354633.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
 <1756738993.1765951.1600051147199@mail.yahoo.com>
 <a8bd79ef-e974-3e6a-b239-5836a001159d@sonic.net>
 <63ec782b-720b-4933-4291-1e945ec7e749@gmail.com>
 <893d3ceb-189a-9104-f051-5df2e33f8d1d@sonic.net>
 <CAL3fwtjUeaQif0-OESJT+Q4oo_72wd9XDkjfRpNYdgzEUydBww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkXa99URp3BZshdW4YqFSVeRb_JkmCy-w7yjFGw5cGmTA@mail.gmail.com>

The problem with the installers is that the LC binaries are linked with
specific versions of the shared libraries in the system. If you have a
different version, or the library has a different name in that system, then
there is a chance that LC will not run correctly (and by not run I mean not
run at all). For example, here in our server, LC is linked against:

$ ldd livecode-community-server
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffcee51b000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f617d849000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
(0x00007f617d62a000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6
(0x00007f617d376000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1
(0x00007f617d131000)
librt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0x00007f617cf29000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
(0x00007f617cba0000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007f617c802000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00007f617c5ea000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f617c1f9000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f617da4d000)
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16
(0x00007f617bfc7000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x00007f617bdaa000)
libexpat.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexpat.so.1 (0x00007f617bb78000)

Of course the engine for the IDE and desktop apps (alongside the externals)
links with more libraries than what is shown here. What having real .deb
and .rpm would allow on Linux is to get the correct library versions
installed at the same time as the LC installation is running because the
package manager would know which dependencies were needed for LC to work.
Right now, if something fails on Linux, you need to be savvy enough to
check libraries and then install the correct ones. Another solution for
that would be to generate AppImages which are quite similar to Application
Bundles from macOS in the sense that they are a package of files disguised
as a single file and contains everything an app needs to run. In the case
of Linux appimages they'll even contain the shared libraries inside them
which makes them quite large but easier to run.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 20:07, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is a good point.
> The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
> Ubuntu thing.
>
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 9:54 pm Mark Wieder via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
> >
> > Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> > the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
> >
> > --
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> >   ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 14 18:18:09 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:18:09 -0500
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <002101d68ac3$784434c0$68cc9e40$@net>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
 <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
 <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>
 <C599CA4A-7CCD-4932-8902-88219B322EE6@major-k.de>
 <002101d68ac3$784434c0$68cc9e40$@net>
Message-ID: <dd12a477-04ba-0c0d-545b-7342a9c4957e@hyperactivesw.com>

I see how it could work if a child control referenced "this group" but what should happen if:

You type "the name of this group" into the message box?
The child control is in a nested group?

On 9/14/20 1:18 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> I can see why the mother ship does not like synonyms. In this case I think
> it would be advantageous for new users if "this" was extended so that "this
> group" was the same as "the owner of the target". I found myself digging
> around until I found "the owner of the target" in the beginning. Not all
> synonyms are the devil incarnate. In this case there would be no backwards
> compatibility issues?
> 
> 2 cents...
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Sep 14 20:24:43 2020
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi))
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 01:24:43 +0100
Subject: THIS group
In-Reply-To: <dd12a477-04ba-0c0d-545b-7342a9c4957e@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5BD70FFD-0356-47F8-B51D-0B17623BDC56@major-k.de>
 <4d923d83-4615-d9f6-bcdb-c11fdd8710bb@sonic.net>
 <B3FDD9EC-674B-4D1A-9D6E-AF42AB47245F@major-k.de>
 <84343580-4e62-e597-df86-c87d100da187@sonic.net>
 <C599CA4A-7CCD-4932-8902-88219B322EE6@major-k.de>
 <002101d68ac3$784434c0$68cc9e40$@net>
 <dd12a477-04ba-0c0d-545b-7342a9c4957e@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSRSxiGvywzNjP=uS3W4t7L8Ztm6rZHCvot-nwRVh1q=_g@mail.gmail.com>

hypothetical and rhetorical:

what would be the difference between

the owner of the owner of the owner of the owner of me

and

the owner of the owner of the owner of this group

?

halfpennies worth: 'this group' gives no greater benefit and does not fit
in with the current use of 'this card' and 'this stack' which get
referred to as 'this' because multiple stacks and cards that are visible or
invisible might receive a massage. Targets are better at referencing groups
and pinpointing which have become active. not that my opinion matters a jot
on this forum


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Sep 15 09:30:28 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:30:28 +0200
Subject: knot in my brain?
Message-ID: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

...
repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs
## This line:
if the short name of grc i begins with "Graphic_" then
## Gives me the error -> no such object
...
What am I overlooking? 
I know do, but have no clue currently...

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
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https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Sep 15 09:34:21 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:34:21 +0200
Subject: knot in my brain?
In-Reply-To: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>
References: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CCA85A6B-BFED-4F15-89F1-9CFEE5E6C1F2@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 15.09.2020 um 15:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> ...
> repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs
> ## This line:
> if the short name of grc i begins with "Graphic_" then
> ## Gives me the error -> no such object
> ...
> What am I overlooking? 
> I know do, but have no clue currently...

ignore this, of course I cannot delete an already deleted object.
...
repeat with i = the num of grcs down to 1
...
Does the trick, ouch embassing!


Best

Klaus


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klaus at major-k.de




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep 15 09:35:38 2020
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Drs Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:35:38 +0200
Subject: knot in my brain?
In-Reply-To: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>
References: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <97531ad4-e8f2-9e07-26e5-1ce12b93f2d8@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Klaus,

I bet the problem is in the remainder of the script, for instance 
changing layers or deleting graphics (although the latter probably not). 
If you change it to

repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs
 ? if the short name of grc i beginswith "Graphic_" then put i
end repeat

do you still get an error?

Mark Schonewille
Economy-x-Talk
https://ecxtalk.nl
https://www.nt2.nu

Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner
http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=programming-livecode-for-the-real-beginner

Op 15-9-2020 om 15:30 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:
> Hi friends,
>
> ...
> repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs
> ## This line:
> if the short name of grc i begins with "Graphic_" then
> ## Gives me the error -> no such object
> ...
> What am I overlooking?
> I know do, but have no clue currently...
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Sep 15 09:36:25 2020
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Drs Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:36:25 +0200
Subject: knot in my brain?
In-Reply-To: <CCA85A6B-BFED-4F15-89F1-9CFEE5E6C1F2@major-k.de>
References: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>
 <CCA85A6B-BFED-4F15-89F1-9CFEE5E6C1F2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <7bcaa396-0a73-1de6-7480-ca348a1d556f@economy-x-talk.com>

:-)

Mark Schonewille
Economy-x-Talk
https://ecxtalk.nl
https://www.nt2.nu

Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner
http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=programming-livecode-for-the-real-beginner

Op 15-9-2020 om 15:34 schreef Klaus major-k via use-livecode:
> Hi all,
>
>> Am 15.09.2020 um 15:30 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> ...
>> repeat with i = 1 to the num of grcs
>> ## This line:
>> if the short name of grc i begins with "Graphic_" then
>> ## Gives me the error -> no such object
>> ...
>> What am I overlooking?
>> I know do, but have no clue currently...
> ignore this, of course I cannot delete an already deleted object.
> ...
> repeat with i = the num of grcs down to 1
> ...
> Does the trick, ouch embassing!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Sep 15 09:35:41 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:35:41 +0200
Subject: knot in my brain?
In-Reply-To: <CCA85A6B-BFED-4F15-89F1-9CFEE5E6C1F2@major-k.de>
References: <9E05913D-C8CF-4D80-B53C-F4F88B61DF3E@major-k.de>
 <CCA85A6B-BFED-4F15-89F1-9CFEE5E6C1F2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1E171103-EDC3-4119-B921-663FD0DAF2CE@major-k.de>


> ...
> Does the trick, ouch embaRAssing!

Even more embarrassing... 8-)

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Sep 15 12:49:15 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:49:15 +0000
Subject: Issue with dropbox
In-Reply-To: <0723A7E7-CC05-4E85-9240-3ACE1F201279@pacifier.com>
References: <567A290A-6B37-4BAF-A2AC-C4528E4A55D5@orange.fr>
 <0723A7E7-CC05-4E85-9240-3ACE1F201279@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <1F36C476-E7D2-400F-84B1-A306D191EC75@iotecdigital.com>

Interesting. Not sure how far app signing goes. For instance I downloaded Livecode for Mac, then made the mistake of modifying 2 data grid libraries (in the bundle) before opening the app for the first time. This of course caused the system to refuse to open Livecode, but when I re-copy Livecode to my apps folder, once opened the first time, I can subsequently modify the libraries and the system will no longer balk when opening the app. 

Bob S

> On Sep 10, 2020, at 4:30 PM, JB via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible the app refers to folder B using
> the path created when folder B was not in
> the zipped or unzipped file therefore it can
> not see folder B?
> 
> JB
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Charles Lachat via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi everybody,
>> 
>> A friend has accepted to test my new desktop app. I upload the app to dropbox and send a link, by e-mail, to my friend.
>> 
>> My app is in a folder "A" containing :
>> 
>> ** the app 
>> ** a folder "B" containing several text files the app needs
>> 
>> The folder "A" is zipped before uploading.
>> 
>> After downloading (friend side) and unzipping, all the files are there but the app behaves as if there were no folder "B".
>> 
>> Most of the time.
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong ? Any idee ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Charles Lachat
>> 
>> ===========
>> iMac 2019
>> macOS 10.14
>> Livecode 9.6.0
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Sep 15 21:30:06 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:30:06 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages in scrollers
In-Reply-To: <2992b394-31b3-fec9-6689-c71818953b7e@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <af95d8b9-d7b9-4da6-91ee-6920fadd6ef7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <6C9770C7-FD36-4C36-9B43-67CF9303F906@elementarysoftware.com>
 <05DE3607-935A-49B3-94BA-D6CE7DD61075@elementarysoftware.com>
 <1722f509e00.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B24DE993-47CF-43B4-9D68-BBA4733DDF36@elementarysoftware.com>
 <2992b394-31b3-fec9-6689-c71818953b7e@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <51F3CAEA-1ED8-4EE7-AB3C-E148622F975F@elementarysoftware.com>

on mobile (just iOS at the moment) I?m trying to not only register a horizontal swipe in a UIScroller but to calculate the line in the field under the scroller so that I can perform a delete action. I can get the swipe but? while these calculations seem to work fairly well in the IDE, not so much in the simulator.  both the mouseH and the mouseLoc report a value but when I check it during scrollerDidScroll the X value is always 0 and the Y value is always the bottom of the screen? which of course is not particularly helpful. Am I doing something wrong or is this just not available when a scroller is under the ?mouse?? Setting delayTouches and canCancelTouches to false doesn?t appear to change anything. 

?
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
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booth    1 360 734 4701


> On May 21, 2020, at 1:22 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It was "delayTouches" mostly. Default is true, I had to set it to false. I also set canCancelTouches to false but didn't test how necessary that was. Default for that is also true.
> 
> This allowed messages to pass through to LC, but you had to very deliberately swipe, holding down a moment so the mouseDown would fire. Brian Milby came up with a faster solution using something like Jim MacConnell's suggestion -- make the contentRect wider than the group so that a horizontal swipe triggers scrollerDidScroll. Lock direction to vertical to prevent wiggle. That proved to be a the solution for a more natural swipe.
> 
> You have to branch for Android because it doesn't have a lockDirection property; for that OS keep the contentRect the same width as the group. Mouse messages pass through to LC automatically, which is good because the above two settings don't exist on Android.
> 
> Swiping is such a normal behavior on mobile, I'd like to see an easier method in LC to accomodate all this.
> 
> 
> On 5/19/20 8:00 PM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> You have probably already looked at these but here are (some of) the scroller settings I use for the below-mentioned field:
>> ----------------
>> mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "pagingEnabled", "false"
>> mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "decelerationRate", "normal" -- fast --iOS only
>> mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "canScrollToTop", "true"
>> mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "delayTouches", "false"
>> mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "canCancelTouches", ?true"
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com











From james at thehales.id.au  Wed Sep 16 00:17:32 2020
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:17:32 +1000
Subject: Big Sur and Drag and drop
Message-ID: <750553F7-239B-47EE-9AFF-6C86A9B58B44@thehales.id.au>

Hi, 

Just a question to others using Big Sur on their Macs.

I have an app which uses drag and drop to place a list of files in a field.

I drag the folder containing the files over the list, release the mouse and boom the list of files appear.

Today I went to use this app on my main Mac which is also running the latest Big Sur beta.

Dragging over the field and the cursor turns to a grey circle with diagonal line, i.e. no entry/go

Launching LC and opening the original stack and sure enough, the same thing.

My question, if you are using Big Sur and have an app that uses drag and drop in this way (to get a listing of files in a folder) could you please see if it still works?

If not I will submit a bug report.

Thanks in advance.

James






From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Sep 16 01:37:37 2020
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 22:37:37 -0700
Subject: OT: change email address
Message-ID: <791BCD5F-4950-4FE1-A1D4-F6C659D140EA@pacifier.com>

Will someone please tell  me how to change the email  address I am using to receive messages from the LiveCode lists?

I tried the run rev.com web link and the message I sent there failed and was returned.

thanks,
JB



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Sep 16 05:23:27 2020
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:23:27 +0200
Subject: OT: change email address
In-Reply-To: <791BCD5F-4950-4FE1-A1D4-F6C659D140EA@pacifier.com>
References: <791BCD5F-4950-4FE1-A1D4-F6C659D140EA@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <2D88069E-A3A9-4957-A04B-7333FC1F19D4@m-r-d.de>

Go here
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

At the bottom there is a field, where you can enter your current email address. After that press the button 'unsubscribe or edit options'

On the nextpage you can login with your email address and your password.
On the next page you can change your email address.

If you do not know your password anymore the press the button 'remind me' to get your password emailed to you.

Regards,
Matthias




-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 16.09.2020 um 07:37 schrieb JB via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Will someone please tell  me how to change the email  address I am using to receive messages from the LiveCode lists?
> 
> I tried the run rev.com web link and the message I sent there failed and was returned.
> 
> thanks,
> JB
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From martyknappster at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 13:22:26 2020
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:22:26 -0700
Subject: Big Sur and Drag and drop
In-Reply-To: <750553F7-239B-47EE-9AFF-6C86A9B58B44@thehales.id.au>
References: <750553F7-239B-47EE-9AFF-6C86A9B58B44@thehales.id.au>
Message-ID: <1F8BA8E0-88F6-479F-AE3B-3FC30742A746@gmail.com>

Hi James,
Have an app that uses drag and drop for number of functions, including dropping a folder onto a field and then it lists the files in that folder. Everything seems to be working for me with my app built in LC 9.6.1 running on Big Sur.

Marty

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:17 PM, James Hale via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Just a question to others using Big Sur on their Macs.
> 
> I have an app which uses drag and drop to place a list of files in a field.
> 
> I drag the folder containing the files over the list, release the mouse and boom the list of files appear.
> 
> Today I went to use this app on my main Mac which is also running the latest Big Sur beta.
> 
> Dragging over the field and the cursor turns to a grey circle with diagonal line, i.e. no entry/go
> 
> Launching LC and opening the original stack and sure enough, the same thing.
> 
> My question, if you are using Big Sur and have an app that uses drag and drop in this way (to get a listing of files in a folder) could you please see if it still works?
> 
> If not I will submit a bug report.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> James




From sundown.pacifier at icloud.com  Wed Sep 16 20:49:35 2020
From: sundown.pacifier at icloud.com (John Balgenorth)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:49:35 -0700
Subject: OT: change email address
In-Reply-To: <8112D41E-D7FF-419C-BA05-01D013E5EF1E@pacifier.com>
References: <8112D41E-D7FF-419C-BA05-01D013E5EF1E@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <C5272A4C-D7E5-4024-BFEC-A0AC8129DFE0@icloud.com>

Thanks for the info and fast reply!
It worked great.

JB


> 
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:25 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Go here
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> At the bottom there is a field, where you can enter your current email address. After that press the button 'unsubscribe or edit options'
>> 
>> On the nextpage you can login with your email address and your password.
>> On the next page you can change your email address.
>> 
>> If you do not know your password anymore the press the button 'remind me' to get your password emailed to you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>> 
>>>> Am 16.09.2020 um 07:37 schrieb JB via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Will someone please tell  me how to change the email  address I am using to receive messages from the LiveCode lists?
>>> 
>>> I tried the run rev.com web link and the message I sent there failed and was returned.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> JB
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Sep 17 14:34:45 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:34:45 +0000
Subject: How do we set layers for groups
Message-ID: <79C1B700-3B9D-420B-8D53-820BF1C41185@hindu.org>

if the layer of fld "checkHtml" > 3 then
      set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 3
   else
      set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 20			
   end if?

# do not work. 

stack "SlideShowSetUp": execution error at line 107 (Object: can't set layer (card not open, or control in group)), char 1

??


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Sep 17 14:51:47 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:51:47 -0400
Subject: How do we set layers for groups
In-Reply-To: <79C1B700-3B9D-420B-8D53-820BF1C41185@hindu.org>
References: <79C1B700-3B9D-420B-8D53-820BF1C41185@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <fbaf1542-693a-11e2-5309-2d927fa72fad@researchware.com>

see the 'relayer' command in the dictionary


On 9/17/2020 2:34 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> if the layer of fld "checkHtml" > 3 then
>        set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 3
>     else
>        set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 20			
>     end if?
>
> # do not work.
>
> stack "SlideShowSetUp": execution error at line 107 (Object: can't set layer (card not open, or control in group)), char 1
>
> ??
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Sep 17 15:09:00 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:09:00 +0000
Subject: How to get layer for group
Message-ID: <87174801-C94D-4BC3-90F1-348810239708@hindu.org>

f the layer of fld "checkHtml" > 3 then
      set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 3
   else
      set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 20			
   end if

# do not work.

stack "SlideShowSetUp": execution error at line 107 (Object: can't set layer (card not open, or control in group)), char 1

???


From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Sep 17 15:14:15 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:14:15 +0000
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field  
Message-ID: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>

   --set the htmltext of fld "mainText" into fld "checkHTML"
   
   put text of fld "mainText" into  fld "checkHTML"

??


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Sep 17 15:31:56 2020
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:31:56 -0400
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field  
In-Reply-To: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>

BR,

set the htmltext of fld "Dest" to the htmlText of fld "Src"

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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Cc: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field 

   --set the htmltext of fld "mainText" into fld "checkHTML"
   
   put text of fld "mainText" into  fld "checkHTML"

??

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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Sep 17 15:34:45 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:34:45 -0400
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
Message-ID: <19de9c17-9f57-9cd5-8d28-c73945e1d133@researchware.com>

OR

set the text of fld "Dest" to the htmText of fld "Src"


IF you want to see what the htmlText (i.e. the tags) of fld 
"Src"actually is.


On 9/17/2020 3:31 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> BR,
>
> set the htmltext of fld "Dest" to the htmlText of fld "Src"
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:14 PM
> To: How LiveCode
> Cc: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
> Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
>
>     --set the htmltext of fld "mainText" into fld "checkHTML"
>     
>     put text of fld "mainText" into  fld "checkHTML"
>
> ??
>
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Thu Sep 17 17:32:10 2020
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:32:10 -0700
Subject: How to get layer for group
In-Reply-To: <87174801-C94D-4BC3-90F1-348810239708@hindu.org>
References: <87174801-C94D-4BC3-90F1-348810239708@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <A44EF80C-DD11-4ED3-95D8-44C2734FC713@me.com>

I believe this is one of the commands/properties that require you to be on that card?it must be open?for completion.

Others are formattedText, etc.

Peter

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> f the layer of fld "checkHtml" > 3 then
>      set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 3
>   else
>      set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 20			
>   end if
> 
> # do not work.
> 
> stack "SlideShowSetUp": execution error at line 107 (Object: can't set layer (card not open, or control in group)), char 1
> 
> ???
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Sep 17 18:55:50 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 22:55:50 +0000
Subject: How to get layer for group
In-Reply-To: <A44EF80C-DD11-4ED3-95D8-44C2734FC713@me.com>
References: <87174801-C94D-4BC3-90F1-348810239708@hindu.org>
 <A44EF80C-DD11-4ED3-95D8-44C2734FC713@me.com>
Message-ID: <54B9C258-9B90-4EE4-8CE5-02B1CD2C2C35@iotecdigital.com>

I think Control in Group is the phrase that pays here. The property you are looking for is relayerGroupedControls. 

Bob S


> On Sep 17, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe this is one of the commands/properties that require you to be on that card?it must be open?for completion.
> 
> Others are formattedText, etc.
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> f the layer of fld "checkHtml" > 3 then
>>     set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 3
>>  else
>>     set the layer of fld "checkHtml" to 20			
>>  end if
>> 
>> # do not work.
>> 
>> stack "SlideShowSetUp": execution error at line 107 (Object: can't set layer (card not open, or control in group)), char 1
>> 
>> ???
>> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Sep 17 20:41:55 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 00:41:55 +0000
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field  
In-Reply-To: <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
Message-ID: <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>

Ralph,

So this did not work. I have 
--------
[ fld "Src" ]

<h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
Magical Abodes</h1>

<h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>
------
[ fld "Dest" ]

<h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
Magical Abodes</h1>

<h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>
-------
It same for both fields. Neither one displays the htmltext text .

??
set the htmltext of fld "checkHTML" to the htmlText of fld "mainText"
BR

?

 Ralph DiMola wrote:

    set the htmltext of fld "Dest" to the htmlText of fld "Src"


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Sep 17 21:22:23 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:22:23 -0700
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <9adb1ce5-bb27-69fc-c64e-c04adb762e88@sonic.net>

On 9/17/20 5:41 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Ralph,
> 
> So this did not work. I have
> --------
> [ fld "Src" ]
> 
> <h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
> Magical Abodes</h1>
> 
> <h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>
> ------
> [ fld "Dest" ]
> 
> <h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
> Magical Abodes</h1>
> 
> <h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>
> -------
> It same for both fields. Neither one displays the htmltext text .

Brahmanathaswami-

Hard to tell exactly what you're looking for, but if you want to display 
the raw html, try

put the htmltext of field "Src" into field "Dest"

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bogdanoff at me.com  Thu Sep 17 23:32:11 2020
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:32:11 -0700
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>

If the field ?Src" contains:

<h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
Magical Abodes</h1>

<h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>

then:

	set the htmlText of field "Src" to field "Src"

will show HTML-formatted text.


Peter


> On Sep 17, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ralph,
> 
> So this did not work. I have 
> --------
> [ fld "Src" ]
> 
> <h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
> Magical Abodes</h1>
> 
> <h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>
> ------
> [ fld "Dest" ]
> 
> <h1>My Trek to Siva<br />
> Magical Abodes</h1>
> 
> <h3>Join the author on a tour of ancient Siva temples</h3>
> -------
> It same for both fields. Neither one displays the htmltext text .
> 
> ??
> set the htmltext of fld "checkHTML" to the htmlText of fld "mainText"
> BR
> 
> ?
> 
> Ralph DiMola wrote:
> 
>    set the htmltext of fld "Dest" to the htmlText of fld "Src"
> 
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From james at thehales.id.au  Fri Sep 18 12:38:28 2020
From: james at thehales.id.au (james at thehales.id.au)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 02:38:28 +1000
Subject: Big Sur and Drag and drop (Marty Knapp)
Message-ID: <2AE1BC26-2322-417B-998C-DBED2D929E0C@thehales.id.au>

Thanks Marty.
Seems my code is at fault, even though it has worked until now.



From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Sep 20 10:28:40 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:28:40 +0000
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
Message-ID: <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>

Eureka! So easy, now to get back to the htmlText as per the code

if the htmlText of field "mainText"  then
      put the htmlText of field "mainText" into field "mainText"
   else
      set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText"
  end if

we wonder how easy it to tell that "if" the clause is telling it is "true" 

 if (set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText") then

does not work

BR

? Peter Bougdanof wrote:

    set the htmlText of field "Src" to field "Src"


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Sep 20 11:55:43 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:55:43 -0700
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <47cd84cb-cf28-0ecb-5880-ae6fcd69b00b@sonic.net>

On 9/20/20 7:28 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Eureka! So easy, now to get back to the htmlText as per the code
> 
> if the htmlText of field "mainText"  then
>        put the htmlText of field "mainText" into field "mainText"
>     else
>        set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText"
>    end if
> 
> we wonder how easy it to tell that "if" the clause is telling it is "true"
> 
>   if (set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText") then
> 
> does not work

if field "mainText" is not empty then

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 20 16:10:40 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:10:40 -0500
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <2e20e9fe-598d-0c71-a7fd-7478d169fed1@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/20/20 9:28 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Eureka! So easy, now to get back to the htmlText as per the code
> 
> if the htmlText of field "mainText"  then
>        put the htmlText of field "mainText" into field "mainText"
>     else
>        set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText"
>    end if
> 
> we wonder how easy it to tell that "if" the clause is telling it is "true"
> 
>   if (set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText") then
> 
> does not work

Typically you can check the field text for a known html entity to see if it contains html or 
not. I think LC uses "<p>" because almost all html includes a paragraph mark.

if "<p>" is in field "mainText" then -- htmltext is there

If your html doesn't have paragraph entities then see if you can find one that you know will be 
there.

As an aside, I first thought that this would work:

   if the htmltext of field "mainText" <> the text of field "mainText" then -- plain text is in 
the field

which does return "false" correctly. But when I set the text of the field to the htmltext of 
the field and run the same test, it also returns "false". I'm not sure why.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 20 16:11:30 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:11:30 -0500
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <47cd84cb-cf28-0ecb-5880-ae6fcd69b00b@sonic.net>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
 <47cd84cb-cf28-0ecb-5880-ae6fcd69b00b@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b46d8ee3-d620-74ef-3c5a-046ad261d57a@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/20/20 10:55 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 9/20/20 7:28 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
>> Eureka! So easy, now to get back to the htmlText as per the code
>>
>> if the htmlText of field "mainText"? then
>> ?????? put the htmlText of field "mainText" into field "mainText"
>> ??? else
>> ?????? set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText"
>> ?? end if
>>
>> we wonder how easy it to tell that "if" the clause is telling it is "true"
>>
>> ? if (set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText") then
>>
>> does not work
> 
> if field "mainText" is not empty then
> 

I think Swami wants a toggle, so it's likely the field won't ever be empty.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 20 16:17:36 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:17:36 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages in scrollers
In-Reply-To: <51F3CAEA-1ED8-4EE7-AB3C-E148622F975F@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <af95d8b9-d7b9-4da6-91ee-6920fadd6ef7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <6C9770C7-FD36-4C36-9B43-67CF9303F906@elementarysoftware.com>
 <05DE3607-935A-49B3-94BA-D6CE7DD61075@elementarysoftware.com>
 <1722f509e00.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B24DE993-47CF-43B4-9D68-BBA4733DDF36@elementarysoftware.com>
 <2992b394-31b3-fec9-6689-c71818953b7e@hyperactivesw.com>
 <51F3CAEA-1ED8-4EE7-AB3C-E148622F975F@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <2c1d499a-1c24-e312-d5bf-f044b4cf215e@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott, did you ever figure this out? When are you capturing the mouse locations? If I remember 
right, they are accurate if you store them on mouseDown.

I meant to reply sooner but the email got lost in a barrage for a while.


On 9/15/20 8:30 PM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
> on mobile (just iOS at the moment) I?m trying to not only register a horizontal swipe in a UIScroller but to calculate the line in the field under the scroller so that I can perform a delete action. I can get the swipe but? while these calculations seem to work fairly well in the IDE, not so much in the simulator.  both the mouseH and the mouseLoc report a value but when I check it during scrollerDidScroll the X value is always 0 and the Y value is always the bottom of the screen? which of course is not particularly helpful. Am I doing something wrong or is this just not available when a scroller is under the ?mouse?? Setting delayTouches and canCancelTouches to false doesn?t appear to change anything.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Sep 20 16:20:45 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <2e20e9fe-598d-0c71-a7fd-7478d169fed1@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
 <2e20e9fe-598d-0c71-a7fd-7478d169fed1@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <c5e291f9-a6a9-9201-0231-066f4283f46f@sonic.net>

On 9/20/20 1:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

> As an aside, I first thought that this would work:
> 
>  ? if the htmltext of field "mainText" <> the text of field "mainText" 
> then -- plain text is in the field
> 
> which does return "false" correctly. But when I set the text of the 
> field to the htmltext of the field and run the same test, it also 
> returns "false". I'm not sure why.

I don't see why that would ever return true.
If you set the text of the field to the htmltext of the field, then 
isn't the htmltext of that the htmltext of the htmltext?


-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Sep 20 17:07:10 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:07:10 -0500
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <c5e291f9-a6a9-9201-0231-066f4283f46f@sonic.net>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
 <2e20e9fe-598d-0c71-a7fd-7478d169fed1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <c5e291f9-a6a9-9201-0231-066f4283f46f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <84e0468f-36ae-1695-8897-c2341c386996@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/20/20 3:20 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 9/20/20 1:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> As an aside, I first thought that this would work:
>>
>> ?? if the htmltext of field "mainText" <> the text of field "mainText" then -- plain text is 
>> in the field
>>
>> which does return "false" correctly. But when I set the text of the field to the htmltext of 
>> the field and run the same test, it also returns "false". I'm not sure why.
> 
> I don't see why that would ever return true.
> If you set the text of the field to the htmltext of the field, then isn't the htmltext of that 
> the htmltext of the htmltext?

Ah. Of course. The scales have been lifted from my eyes.

The htmltext of a field put into the same field:
<p>this is a <b>test</b></p>

The htmltext of that:
<p>&lt;p&gt;this is a &lt;b&gt;test&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</p>

Silly me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Sep 20 22:00:30 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:00:30 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages in scrollers
In-Reply-To: <2c1d499a-1c24-e312-d5bf-f044b4cf215e@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <af95d8b9-d7b9-4da6-91ee-6920fadd6ef7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <6C9770C7-FD36-4C36-9B43-67CF9303F906@elementarysoftware.com>
 <05DE3607-935A-49B3-94BA-D6CE7DD61075@elementarysoftware.com>
 <1722f509e00.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B24DE993-47CF-43B4-9D68-BBA4733DDF36@elementarysoftware.com>
 <2992b394-31b3-fec9-6689-c71818953b7e@hyperactivesw.com>
 <51F3CAEA-1ED8-4EE7-AB3C-E148622F975F@elementarysoftware.com>
 <2c1d499a-1c24-e312-d5bf-f044b4cf215e@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5C96B5C4-3544-4298-8B75-376A3A0AA0DB@elementarysoftware.com>

Unfortunately, I did not make any further progress on this one. Stumped.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth    1-360-734-4701
------------------------------------------------------

> On Sep 20, 2020, at 1:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, did you ever figure this out? When are you capturing the mouse locations? If I remember right, they are accurate if you store them on mouseDown.
> 
> I meant to reply sooner but the email got lost in a barrage for a while.
> 
> 
> On 9/15/20 8:30 PM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> on mobile (just iOS at the moment) I?m trying to not only register a horizontal swipe in a UIScroller but to calculate the line in the field under the scroller so that I can perform a delete action. I can get the swipe but? while these calculations seem to work fairly well in the IDE, not so much in the simulator.  both the mouseH and the mouseLoc report a value but when I check it during scrollerDidScroll the X value is always 0 and the Y value is always the bottom of the screen? which of course is not particularly helpful. Am I doing something wrong or is this just not available when a scroller is under the ?mouse?? Setting delayTouches and canCancelTouches to false doesn?t appear to change anything.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Sep 20 22:11:07 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:11:07 -0700
Subject: formattedHeight formattedWidth on android
Message-ID: <705EFA6A-593E-4D58-9BDC-AB76048F9286@elementarysoftware.com>

I?ve recently run into what feels like a bug with formattedWidth and formattedHeight of a field in android. I?m attempting to maximize (without clipping) the textSize of a string in a fixed-size field. I have code that works reliably in the IDE and on iOS but not on android. My use case seems to be solvable by first calculating  the amount it is likely to be off and then factoring that in. It seems that there might be some related issues in Bugzilla but I didn?t find anything exactly the same. I?m somewhat new to Android so I always wonder if my stumbles are known limitations that I just can?t find the documentation for.

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------










From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Sep 20 22:13:52 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:13:52 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages in scrollers
In-Reply-To: <5C96B5C4-3544-4298-8B75-376A3A0AA0DB@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <af95d8b9-d7b9-4da6-91ee-6920fadd6ef7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <6C9770C7-FD36-4C36-9B43-67CF9303F906@elementarysoftware.com>
 <05DE3607-935A-49B3-94BA-D6CE7DD61075@elementarysoftware.com>
 <1722f509e00.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <B24DE993-47CF-43B4-9D68-BBA4733DDF36@elementarysoftware.com>
 <2992b394-31b3-fec9-6689-c71818953b7e@hyperactivesw.com>
 <51F3CAEA-1ED8-4EE7-AB3C-E148622F975F@elementarysoftware.com>
 <2c1d499a-1c24-e312-d5bf-f044b4cf215e@hyperactivesw.com>
 <5C96B5C4-3544-4298-8B75-376A3A0AA0DB@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <51D8ED25-AD23-4026-A82E-01E04ED45423@elementarysoftware.com>

Ack! I replied without fully grokking what you wrote.  I will revisit this and look at storing them on mouseDown. Thank you!
?
Scott

> On Sep 20, 2020, at 7:00 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, I did not make any further progress on this one. Stumped.
> 
> --
> Scott Morrow
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth    1-360-734-4701
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 1:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, did you ever figure this out? When are you capturing the mouse locations? If I remember right, they are accurate if you store them on mouseDown.
>> 
>> I meant to reply sooner but the email got lost in a barrage for a while.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/15/20 8:30 PM, scott--- via use-livecode wrote:
>>> on mobile (just iOS at the moment) I?m trying to not only register a horizontal swipe in a UIScroller but to calculate the line in the field under the scroller so that I can perform a delete action. I can get the swipe but? while these calculations seem to work fairly well in the IDE, not so much in the simulator.  both the mouseH and the mouseLoc report a value but when I check it during scrollerDidScroll the X value is always 0 and the Y value is always the bottom of the screen? which of course is not particularly helpful. Am I doing something wrong or is this just not available when a scroller is under the ?mouse?? Setting delayTouches and canCancelTouches to false doesn?t appear to change anything.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Mon Sep 21 03:06:03 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 00:06:03 -0700
Subject: formattedHeight formattedWidth on android
In-Reply-To: <705EFA6A-593E-4D58-9BDC-AB76048F9286@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <705EFA6A-593E-4D58-9BDC-AB76048F9286@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <3440F626-3765-4610-957E-D3130598A999@elementarysoftware.com>

Hmm? Well now I can?t reproduce the issue that consumed a fair number of hours yesterday. Which, (with the exception of lost hours) is a very good thing.
?
Scott Morrow

> On Sep 20, 2020, at 7:11 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve recently run into what feels like a bug with formattedWidth and formattedHeight of a field in android. I?m attempting to maximize (without clipping) the textSize of a string in a fixed-size field. I have code that works reliably in the IDE and on iOS but not on android. My use case seems to be solvable by first calculating  the amount it is likely to be off and then factoring that in. It seems that there might be some related issues in Bugzilla but I didn?t find anything exactly the same. I?m somewhat new to Android so I always wonder if my stumbles are known limitations that I just can?t find the documentation for.
> 
> --
> Scott Morrow
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep 21 13:55:45 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:55:45 +0000
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <b46d8ee3-d620-74ef-3c5a-046ad261d57a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
 <47cd84cb-cf28-0ecb-5880-ae6fcd69b00b@sonic.net>
 <b46d8ee3-d620-74ef-3c5a-046ad261d57a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FBC3F751-59C7-4A48-8C0A-63C3F6F7A9B1@hindu.org>

I found it:

button "Check HTML"

on mouseUp
   If  "<p>" is in field "mainText" then -- htmltext is there
      set the htmlText of field "mainText" to field "mainText"
   else
      put the htmltext of field "mainText" into field "mainText"
   end if
end mouse

BUT!

<h1 color="159,59,0">Vedas<br />
A Random Selection<br />
of Sutras</h1>

gets turned around. It becomes

<p><b><font size="34">Vedas</font></b></p>
<p><b><font size="34">A Random Selection</font></b></p>
<p><b><font size="34">of Sutras</font></b></p>

?? where does the font size becomes "34" . Even with the font size of field increases, it stays at size="34"?? 

BR

? J. Landman Gay  wrote:

    I think Swami wants a toggle, so it's likely the field won't ever be empty.

    



From paul at livecode.org  Mon Sep 21 15:38:25 2020
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:38:25 -0700
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field  
In-Reply-To: <FBC3F751-59C7-4A48-8C0A-63C3F6F7A9B1@hindu.org>
References: <7CCE7E06-1D15-40B0-BBB5-EE1798BB9EAC@hindu.org>
 <005b01d68d29$37973400$a6c59c00$@net>
 <E9F9E5EB-635D-4E0A-B9C6-78BE177F46A4@hindu.org>
 <76943E45-8653-417E-A039-F764D696A657@me.com>
 <9373C79A-1562-4A42-9E22-9F25DD2C5F40@hindu.org>
 <47cd84cb-cf28-0ecb-5880-ae6fcd69b00b@sonic.net>
 <b46d8ee3-d620-74ef-3c5a-046ad261d57a@hyperactivesw.com>
 <FBC3F751-59C7-4A48-8C0A-63C3F6F7A9B1@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <263E5EE9-2E3E-4F3E-9A38-1F370AE52321@livecode.org>


> On 21Sep, 2020, at 10:55, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?? where does the font size becomes "34" . Even with the font size of field increases, it stays at size="34???

I would say from the h1 attribute that sets the text as a heading, h1 being the largest size. If you test with h2, h3 etc. you should see different font sizes.

As you can see, LiveCode?s conversion to HTML is not exactly how you would write the code if you were producing a web page, AFAIK it?s designed to suit LC's internal use.

Paul

From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 21 15:57:53 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:57:53 +0200
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
Message-ID: <F78EF876-88F2-4D1B-95B7-748F9CFE282F@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I need a little hint, I forgot what command creates an image 
from an SVG widget. 8-)
...
set the text of img 1 to ???(???)
...

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Sep 21 16:31:45 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 13:31:45 -0700
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <F78EF876-88F2-4D1B-95B7-748F9CFE282F@major-k.de>
References: <F78EF876-88F2-4D1B-95B7-748F9CFE282F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <d8d2d36b-994d-2fa0-e9da-dbe4c080ac0e@sonic.net>

On 9/21/20 12:57 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi friends,
> 
> I need a little hint, I forgot what command creates an image
> from an SVG widget. 8-)
> ...
> set the text of img 1 to ???(???)
> ...
> 
> Thanks for any hint!

Dunno.
I export a snapshot from the widget.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 21 16:41:35 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:41:35 +0200
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <d8d2d36b-994d-2fa0-e9da-dbe4c080ac0e@sonic.net>
References: <F78EF876-88F2-4D1B-95B7-748F9CFE282F@major-k.de>
 <d8d2d36b-994d-2fa0-e9da-dbe4c080ac0e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1D761661-81FF-426F-BFE4-E28A849B83DC@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 21.09.2020 um 22:31 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> On 9/21/20 12:57 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> I need a little hint, I forgot what command creates an image
>> from an SVG widget. 8-)
>> ...
>> set the text of img 1 to ???(???)
>> ...
>> Thanks for any hint!
> 
> Dunno.

very helpful, thank you. :-D

> I export a snapshot from the widget.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
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https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Sep 21 17:03:18 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:03:18 -0400
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <1D761661-81FF-426F-BFE4-E28A849B83DC@major-k.de>
References: <F78EF876-88F2-4D1B-95B7-748F9CFE282F@major-k.de>
 <d8d2d36b-994d-2fa0-e9da-dbe4c080ac0e@sonic.net>
 <1D761661-81FF-426F-BFE4-E28A849B83DC@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa_Nm0ZJeVA983f85wMBpZBHn_jL1BnpDffLrBJK1zWVQ@mail.gmail.com>

This may be what you're looking for:

put drawingSvgCompile(tFileText) into tDrawing
set the text of image "svgImage" to tDrawing

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30441#p163024

The stack in the forum post will let you see the difference in how a
particular svg file is rendered in the browser widget, as a SVG path
(widget), and as a SVG Compiled Drawing (image).  There is some additional
code available that will translate the path (effectively trim extra space
around the image) that I have not incorporated.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:41 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> > Am 21.09.2020 um 22:31 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > On 9/21/20 12:57 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi friends,
> >> I need a little hint, I forgot what command creates an image
> >> from an SVG widget. 8-)
> >> ...
> >> set the text of img 1 to ???(???)
> >> ...
> >> Thanks for any hint!
> >
> > Dunno.
>
> very helpful, thank you. :-D
>
> > I export a snapshot from the widget.
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wieder
> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Sep 21 17:07:56 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:07:56 +0200
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRa_Nm0ZJeVA983f85wMBpZBHn_jL1BnpDffLrBJK1zWVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F78EF876-88F2-4D1B-95B7-748F9CFE282F@major-k.de>
 <d8d2d36b-994d-2fa0-e9da-dbe4c080ac0e@sonic.net>
 <1D761661-81FF-426F-BFE4-E28A849B83DC@major-k.de>
 <CA+yhkRa_Nm0ZJeVA983f85wMBpZBHn_jL1BnpDffLrBJK1zWVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B071D6B6-4633-4D5F-9AE8-07F4B02BBB9F@major-k.de>

Hi Brian

> Am 21.09.2020 um 23:03 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> This may be what you're looking for:
> 
> put drawingSvgCompile(tFileText) into tDrawing
> set the text of image "svgImage" to tDrawing
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30441#p163024
> The stack in the forum post will let you see the difference in how a
> particular svg file is rendered in the browser widget, as a SVG path
> (widget), and as a SVG Compiled Drawing (image).  There is some additional
> code available that will translate the path (effectively trim extra space
> around the image) that I have not incorporated.

thank you!

But I thought we could do this from a SVG widget without the need of a .svg FILE.
Was I dreaming?

Best

Klaus

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https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Sep 21 17:13:34 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:13:34 -0700
Subject: HOw to get htmltext from the field to display in another field
In-Reply-To: <FBC3F751-59C7-4A48-8C0A-63C3F6F7A9B1@hindu.org>
References: <FBC3F751-59C7-4A48-8C0A-63C3F6F7A9B1@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <72c0847b-23c9-4ff2-13c3-7cb30ca99493@fourthworld.com>

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

 >  <h1 color="159,59,0">Vedas<br />
 >  A Random Selection<br />
 >  of Sutras</h1>
 >
 > gets turned around. It becomes
 >
 >  <p><b><font size="34">Vedas</font></b></p>
 >  <p><b><font size="34">A Random Selection</font></b></p>
 >  <p><b><font size="34">of Sutras</font></b></p>
 >
 > ?? where does the font size becomes "34" .

HtmlText is not HTML.

It was added to the engine as a convenient way to use HTML-like tagging 
to express field contents with styles.

Header tags (eg "H1") are an HTML convention.  LiveCode has no CSS, and 
hence ability to define header specifiers for size. If you try this:

     set the textSize of fld 1 to "h1"

...it should fail.

But as a convenience or those who may be attempting to mix and match a 
limited form of HTML with LC's HtmlText, the engine will allow header 
tags as input, translating them to fixed values.

As you've discovered there, the fixed value for "H1" is 34.


 > Even with the font size of field increases, it stays at size="34"??

Attributes of field objects are different from attributes of style runs 
in the content within the field object.

Changes to the object's textColor, textSize, and textFont will affect 
the visual rendering of the object's contents only, leaving the contents 
as stored unaffected.

If the content has any attribute set within a style run, that setting 
overrides any setting for the object, much as we see with inheritance of 
visual properties throughout LC.

If you want to change the textSize of the contents of the field, you can 
either:

a) set the textSize of char 1 to -1 of fld "Whatever" to 20

b) set the textSize of char 1 to -1 of fld "Whatever" to empty
    set the textSize of fld "Whatever" to 20


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dfepstein at comcast.net  Mon Sep 21 18:55:32 2020
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 18:55:32 -0400
Subject: Updating a menubar button on Mac
Message-ID: <CFB3C452-9C72-4FC6-8903-801CC58EA31A@comcast.net>

I can use a ?mouseEnter? handler to update a menu button?s contents just before the user displays that menu.  But if that menu button is part of the stack?s menubar group on a Mac, the Mac menu does not seem to receive the mouseEnter message and the menu is not updated.  Is there a workaround?  Thank you!

David Epstein


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Sep 21 19:49:56 2020
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:49:56 +0000
Subject: Updating a menubar button on Mac
In-Reply-To: <CFB3C452-9C72-4FC6-8903-801CC58EA31A@comcast.net>
References: <CFB3C452-9C72-4FC6-8903-801CC58EA31A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5FFA70CB-300B-4E6D-BFD9-310DA435C6AC@byu.edu>

Populate it on mouseDown? I?ve done this lots, but mainly with option menus.

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 4:55 PM, David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I can use a ?mouseEnter? handler to update a menu button?s contents just before the user displays that menu.  But if that menu button is part of the stack?s menubar group on a Mac, the Mac menu does not seem to receive the mouseEnter message and the menu is not updated.  Is there a workaround?  Thank you!
> 
> David Epstein
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Brigham Young University


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 21 20:55:38 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:55:38 -0500
Subject: Updating a menubar button on Mac
In-Reply-To: <CFB3C452-9C72-4FC6-8903-801CC58EA31A@comcast.net>
References: <CFB3C452-9C72-4FC6-8903-801CC58EA31A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <174b34f1310.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

When the menu is placed into the system menu on Macs the buttons no longer 
receive messages but the group does, so update everything at once on 
mouseDown in the group script.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 21, 2020 5:57:52 PM David Epstein via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I can use a ?mouseEnter? handler to update a menu button?s contents just 
> before the user displays that menu.  But if that menu button is part of the 
> stack?s menubar group on a Mac, the Mac menu does not seem to receive the 
> mouseEnter message and the menu is not updated.  Is there a workaround?  
> Thank you!
>
> David Epstein
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Sep 21 22:18:06 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:18:06 -0400
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <B071D6B6-4633-4D5F-9AE8-07F4B02BBB9F@major-k.de>
References: <B071D6B6-4633-4D5F-9AE8-07F4B02BBB9F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <4BA9816A-3749-4129-B6FA-A172ACC2A88E@milby7.com>

You do not need a file, but you do need additional code.  I found a handler from a Sep 2018 thread that wraps a path to form the input needed for the compile.  LC Mark mentioned an internal call that could enhance the process but I didn?t see any code that leveraged it.  Let me take a crack at it and see what I come up with.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Brian
> 
>> Am 21.09.2020 um 23:03 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> This may be what you're looking for:
>> 
>> put drawingSvgCompile(tFileText) into tDrawing
>> set the text of image "svgImage" to tDrawing
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30441#p163024
>> The stack in the forum post will let you see the difference in how a
>> particular svg file is rendered in the browser widget, as a SVG path
>> (widget), and as a SVG Compiled Drawing (image).  There is some additional
>> code available that will translate the path (effectively trim extra space
>> around the image) that I have not incorporated.
> 
> thank you!
> 
> But I thought we could do this from a SVG widget without the need of a .svg FILE.
> Was I dreaming?
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Sep 21 23:38:55 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:38:55 -0400
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <4BA9816A-3749-4129-B6FA-A172ACC2A88E@milby7.com>
References: <B071D6B6-4633-4D5F-9AE8-07F4B02BBB9F@major-k.de>
 <4BA9816A-3749-4129-B6FA-A172ACC2A88E@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYO4KAj2HDZs55dGiuoUMAtp-TiSEZfY7qZKoApM9w2vw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a link to the post in the archives:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-September/250326.html

I could get close, but still needed to work out a way to translate the path
to improve upon what was already discussed.  (I can get the actual bounding
box, but it doesn't really help with eliminating the need to use the cropIt
handler.)

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> You do not need a file, but you do need additional code.  I found a
> handler from a Sep 2018 thread that wraps a path to form the input needed
> for the compile.  LC Mark mentioned an internal call that could enhance the
> process but I didn?t see any code that leveraged it.  Let me take a crack
> at it and see what I come up with.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 21, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi Brian
> >
> >> Am 21.09.2020 um 23:03 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> This may be what you're looking for:
> >>
> >> put drawingSvgCompile(tFileText) into tDrawing
> >> set the text of image "svgImage" to tDrawing
> >> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30441#p163024
> >> The stack in the forum post will let you see the difference in how a
> >> particular svg file is rendered in the browser widget, as a SVG path
> >> (widget), and as a SVG Compiled Drawing (image).  There is some
> additional
> >> code available that will translate the path (effectively trim extra
> space
> >> around the image) that I have not incorporated.
> >
> > thank you!
> >
> > But I thought we could do this from a SVG widget without the need of a
> .svg FILE.
> > Was I dreaming?
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > --
> > Klaus Major
> > https://www.major-k.de
> > klaus at major-k.de
> >
> >
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Sep 22 04:08:13 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:08:13 +0200
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYO4KAj2HDZs55dGiuoUMAtp-TiSEZfY7qZKoApM9w2vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B071D6B6-4633-4D5F-9AE8-07F4B02BBB9F@major-k.de>
 <4BA9816A-3749-4129-B6FA-A172ACC2A88E@milby7.com>
 <CA+yhkRYO4KAj2HDZs55dGiuoUMAtp-TiSEZfY7qZKoApM9w2vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <137E73BC-C984-4CC5-89A6-487AEA7C8696@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 22.09.2020 um 05:38 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Here's a link to the post in the archives:
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-September/250326.html
> 
> I could get close, but still needed to work out a way to translate the path
> to improve upon what was already discussed.  (I can get the actual bounding
> box, but it doesn't really help with eliminating the need to use the cropIt
> handler.)

thank you very much, will take a look!

> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
>> You do not need a file, but you do need additional code.  I found a
>> handler from a Sep 2018 thread that wraps a path to form the input needed
>> for the compile.  LC Mark mentioned an internal call that could enhance the
>> process but I didn?t see any code that leveraged it.  Let me take a crack
>> at it and see what I come up with.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...
>>> 
>>>> This may be what you're looking for:
>>>> 
>>>> put drawingSvgCompile(tFileText) into tDrawing
>>>> set the text of image "svgImage" to tDrawing
>>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30441#p163024
>>>> The stack in the forum post will let you see the difference in how a
>>>> particular svg file is rendered in the browser widget, as a SVG path
>>>> (widget), and as a SVG Compiled Drawing (image).  There is some
>> additional
>>>> code available that will translate the path (effectively trim extra
>> space
>>>> around the image) that I have not incorporated.
>>> 
>>> thank you!
>>> 
>>> But I thought we could do this from a SVG widget without the need of a
>> .svg FILE.
>>> Was I dreaming?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Sep 22 15:09:53 2020
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:09:53 -0400
Subject: https put url not working first time
Message-ID: <007401d69113$f6e42000$e4ac6000$@net>

I'm doing a:

put url (https://somewhere.com/someFolder/file.ext) into url
("file:someLocalPath/file.ext")

 

90% of the time the first try fails but then all similar attempts work 100%
correctly after that.

When it fails the result is empty and the local file has a zero length.

 

Has anyone seen this?

 

LC 9.6.1 business. tsNet is active

 

Thanks

 

Ralph DiMola

IT Director

Evergreen Information Services

rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 18:48:42 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:48:42 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
Message-ID: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>

I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses the clicktext to create 
a file name which is always the clicktext plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then 
downloaded from an AWS server and displayed.

We are now translating some stacks to other languages which require unicode text. AWS 
recommends not using accented characters in file names, so we need to translate the clicktext 
into plain ASCII.

Is there a good way to do that without using a lookup table or metadata? The file names doesn't 
need to make sense syntactically. For example,

    l?Acad?mie fran?aise -> lAcademiefrancaise.livecode

...or similar, whatever works. The user will never see the file name.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Sep 22 18:58:54 2020
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:58:54 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C9DE584D-CCD1-453B-9860-E497A2B91DEB@byu.edu>

Hi Jacque,

Have you looked at the normalizeText function? I?m not sure that would help, but maybe it?s a start.

But it that doesn?t help, and if nobody ever sees the filenames, why not just loop through the string and delete anything that?s not in ASCII range?

Devin

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an AWS server and displayed.
> 
> We are now translating some stacks to other languages which require unicode text. AWS recommends not using accented characters in file names, so we need to translate the clicktext into plain ASCII.
> 
> Is there a good way to do that without using a lookup table or metadata? The file names doesn't need to make sense syntactically. For example,
> 
>   l?Acad?mie fran?aise -> lAcademiefrancaise.livecode
> 
> ...or similar, whatever works. The user will never see the file name.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
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Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Sep 22 19:09:53 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 19:09:53 -0400
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <C9DE584D-CCD1-453B-9860-E497A2B91DEB@byu.edu>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <C9DE584D-CCD1-453B-9860-E497A2B91DEB@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <845c22da-1d5c-30af-8016-c8bec71e7fef@researchware.com>

On 9/22/2020 6:58 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote:
> But it that doesn?t help, and if nobody ever sees the filenames, why not just loop through the string and delete anything that?s not in ASCII range?

Well, if the name is in Chinese,? you would delete the entire name.



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Sep 22 19:22:05 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:22:05 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9c9657d1-6ec1-0917-cfb2-4e349383632f@sonic.net>

On 9/22/20 3:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses 
> the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext plus 
> the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an AWS 
> server and displayed.
> 
> We are now translating some stacks to other languages which require 
> unicode text. AWS recommends not using accented characters in file 
> names, so we need to translate the clicktext into plain ASCII.
> 
> Is there a good way to do that without using a lookup table or metadata? 
> The file names doesn't need to make sense syntactically. For example,
> 
>  ?? l?Acad?mie fran?aise -> lAcademiefrancaise.livecode
> 
> ...or similar, whatever works. The user will never see the file name.
> 

Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
In that case why use the clicktext at all?
Can you use tempname() to create and retrieve the stack?
Or better yet uuid()?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Sep 22 19:28:33 2020
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 19:28:33 -0400
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <009901d69138$192ffde0$4b8ff9a0$@net>

How about converting the non ascii characters into to base 64 ascii? This could produce really long filenames. I guess you could truncate if needed. Also the filename would make no sense at all if it was all non ascii.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 6:49 PM
To: LiveCode Mailing List
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII

I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an AWS server and displayed.

We are now translating some stacks to other languages which require unicode text. AWS recommends not using accented characters in file names, so we need to translate the clicktext into plain ASCII.

Is there a good way to do that without using a lookup table or metadata? The file names doesn't need to make sense syntactically. For example,

    l?Acad?mie fran?aise -> lAcademiefrancaise.livecode

...or similar, whatever works. The user will never see the file name.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Sep 22 19:42:30 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 23:42:30 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <9c9657d1-6ec1-0917-cfb2-4e349383632f@sonic.net>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <9c9657d1-6ec1-0917-cfb2-4e349383632f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4AF79CDF-868D-4923-A0BD-D45CEAECA3F6@iotecdigital.com>

There?s a tempname() function??? Ohhh fun!!

Bob S


On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Can you use tempname() to create and retrieve the stack?


From sundown.pacifier at icloud.com  Tue Sep 22 19:58:15 2020
From: sundown.pacifier at icloud.com (John Balgenorth)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:58:15 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <4AF79CDF-868D-4923-A0BD-D45CEAECA3F6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <4AF79CDF-868D-4923-A0BD-D45CEAECA3F6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <A8BEB0B9-9AF1-4460-A434-4CB81B14178C@icloud.com>

You could easily convert it to HEX but that would
make the file name exactly twice as long.

JB

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?There?s a tempname() function??? Ohhh fun!!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> Can you use tempname() to create and retrieve the stack?
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Sep 22 22:58:51 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 21:58:51 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>

Combining responses:

"NormalizeText" always returns unicode for all four of its variations, so no go. And as Paul 
pointed out, if the language is Chinese, deleting all non-ascii characters would leave nothing. 
On the other hand, we are only converting to Roman languages right now, so this might be a good 
option for a while.

> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)? 

No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the server on request. 
There are currently hundreds of them with more added frequently. That's why I'm looking for a 
solution that doesn't involve changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading 
all those files would be way too much work.

I hadn't thought about HEX or base64. Those might be options. It would involve more work on my 
client's end though, as she'd need to run each file through a name conversion before uploading.

Still thinking about this.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Sep 22 23:42:09 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 20:42:09 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>

On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

>> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)? 
> 
> No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the 
> server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added 
> frequently. That's why I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve 
> changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading all those 
> files would be way too much work.

How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar 
that stores the filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now 
on and not have to mess with the existing ones.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 23 02:10:42 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 01:10:42 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
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On 9/22/20 10:42 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>>> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)? 
>>
>> No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the server on request. 
>> There are currently hundreds of them with more added frequently. That's why I'm looking for a 
>> solution that doesn't involve changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading 
>> all those files would be way too much work.
> 
> How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar that stores the 
> filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now on and not have to mess with the 
> existing ones.

I may have misled you. When I said the files were permanent, I meant they stay on the server 
until they get changed, which is fairly regular. They aren't stored on the user's machine where 
tempfile would be, they are downloaded as needed and only kept in memory.

Basically, stacks are named based on a FileMaker database that spits out text files listing 
various properties and content that our app needs to know. Stacks are created by a tool I wrote 
that merges those text files with a stack template to populate the content. The stack name in 
the text file is not only used to create the file name but also appears in several other places 
within the stack (menus, popdown buttons, labels, etc.) The file name is created by munging the 
name string. I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names based on the string that 
comes out of the database.

There's more to it than that; the server runs a cron job hourly that indexes all its files and 
creates AWS secure URLs for each. The app downloads that lookup file on demand. When the user 
selects a name from a list, the selection is munged to match the server name and the download 
URL is obtained from the cron job's lookup file.

We don't have a field in the database for a file name. We set up the system this way so we 
could change names when needed, which happens whenever the content and distribution of the 
material changes. Stacks are updated and replaced, sometimes split into two stacks, sometimes 
combined, sometimes rebuilt from scratch. As long as the FM text files contain the right 
string, the app can create the server filename. But the file name needs to be readily 
identifiable so we can manage the replacements on the server easily. If file names were UUIDs, 
wouldn't we still need a way to match the user's selection to a UUID?

When we set this up, we didn't know we were going to go multi-lingual.

-- 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 02:19:11 2020
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:19:11 +0300
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAL3fwti+ET2nuRVx12a6XPK3BupQP2QFWdXa_9hVRDBUUzXxAw@mail.gmail.com>

Personally I think deleting everything that is not inwith the ASCII range
is potentially a bit dangerous [suppose ALL the letters
in the title are not inwith the ASCII range], so I would favour using some
sort of lookup table/substitution list.  Certainly letters such
as accented 'e' can just be replaced by a 'common or garden e', but,
consider Cyrillic for instance.  Of course a lot of this has to
do with what sort of source files you are using [Hmong, anyone?].

Most alphabetic languages have a standardise Latin transliteration standard
and that is best adhered to, so, for instance:

??????? (in Bulgarian Cyrillic), comes across as 'Richmand' [OK, OK, OK,
it's hilarious, but that's what you get when a
transliteration standard is worked out by a committee of people who
couldn't tie their own shoelaces (that's why they sit in
committees)].

Certainly, however WONKY a Latin transliteration scheme maybe both
phonetically and in general, that should NOT need to
be considered when it comes to file names.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:43 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>
> >> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
> >
> > No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the
> > server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added
> > frequently. That's why I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve
> > changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading all those
> > files would be way too much work.
>
> How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar
> that stores the filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now
> on and not have to mess with the existing ones.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 02:22:08 2020
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:22:08 +0300
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <CAL3fwti+ET2nuRVx12a6XPK3BupQP2QFWdXa_9hVRDBUUzXxAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
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"This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the Agents of
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Well, after my last posting the Bulgarian government will want my guts for
garters . . . but as the idea of the totally corrupt government wearing
garters made out of my
intestines is hilarious . . .


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:19 AM Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally I think deleting everything that is not inwith the ASCII range
> is potentially a bit dangerous [suppose ALL the letters
> in the title are not inwith the ASCII range], so I would favour using some
> sort of lookup table/substitution list.  Certainly letters such
> as accented 'e' can just be replaced by a 'common or garden e', but,
> consider Cyrillic for instance.  Of course a lot of this has to
> do with what sort of source files you are using [Hmong, anyone?].
>
> Most alphabetic languages have a standardise Latin transliteration
> standard and that is best adhered to, so, for instance:
>
> ??????? (in Bulgarian Cyrillic), comes across as 'Richmand' [OK, OK, OK,
> it's hilarious, but that's what you get when a
> transliteration standard is worked out by a committee of people who
> couldn't tie their own shoelaces (that's why they sit in
> committees)].
>
> Certainly, however WONKY a Latin transliteration scheme maybe both
> phonetically and in general, that should NOT need to
> be considered when it comes to file names.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:43 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> >> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
>> >
>> > No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the
>> > server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added
>> > frequently. That's why I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve
>> > changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading all
>> those
>> > files would be way too much work.
>>
>> How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar
>> that stores the filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now
>> on and not have to mess with the existing ones.
>>
>> --
>>   Mark Wieder
>>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Sep 23 03:18:46 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:18:46 +0200
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <137E73BC-C984-4CC5-89A6-487AEA7C8696@major-k.de>
References: <B071D6B6-4633-4D5F-9AE8-07F4B02BBB9F@major-k.de>
 <4BA9816A-3749-4129-B6FA-A172ACC2A88E@milby7.com>
 <CA+yhkRYO4KAj2HDZs55dGiuoUMAtp-TiSEZfY7qZKoApM9w2vw@mail.gmail.com>
 <137E73BC-C984-4CC5-89A6-487AEA7C8696@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <BA103C47-3049-4C28-BEB6-51F1F60E7C73@major-k.de>

Hi all,

FYI:
I just created an enhancement request to make drawingSVGCompile also work
internally with a widget: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22915>

> Am 22.09.2020 um 10:08 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> Hi Brian,
>> Am 22.09.2020 um 05:38 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Here's a link to the post in the archives:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-September/250326.html
>> 
>> I could get close, but still needed to work out a way to translate the path
>> to improve upon what was already discussed.  (I can get the actual bounding
>> box, but it doesn't really help with eliminating the need to use the cropIt
>> handler.)
> ...

Best

Klaus

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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Sep 23 07:26:20 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 04:26:20 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A37014D9-E0A6-4B28-B03D-198D4CD444D2@elementarysoftware.com>

What about just converting to UTF8. Wouldn?t that coerce it into ASCII?
?
Scott Morrow
Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 3:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an AWS server and displayed.
> 
> We are now translating some stacks to other languages which require unicode text. AWS recommends not using accented characters in file names, so we need to translate the clicktext into plain ASCII.
> 
> Is there a good way to do that without using a lookup table or metadata? The file names doesn't need to make sense syntactically. For example,
> 
>   l?Acad?mie fran?aise -> lAcademiefrancaise.livecode
> 
> ...or similar, whatever works. The user will never see the file name.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 07:35:23 2020
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:35:23 +0100
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
 <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VDwm_K-+KvU4uB5gP8KmDPCtaCXpXOs2LvtEo6o8Ue4Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Assuming all the languages are latin type alphabets (no chinese, Japanese ,
Sanskrit ;-) ) (but see later for a fix?)

I would replace the charactes like the E with umlout/cedilla and other
dicritics with the "naked" character  but for others that can't remove them
BUT
add to the end of the filename string the #&999 code from this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedilla#Similar_diacritics to the end of the
filename.

This would make sure that each filename will be unique if you have a
filename that is close to another. You could even add a number that refers
to the position in the string where that character was.

so instead of #&123 you would put #&5123 which means the character was in
the fifth position. This means that (assuming not chinese) the temporary
file name will give a hint as to the original name
and you could still recreate the original unicode name from the numbers
placed at the end.

It would need a little playing with but I'm sure it could work.

On the chinese (and Sansrit?) question the temporary file name would be
made up of #&123#&321#&435 etc without needing the positional number
alluded to before as all of the original strings would be removed.

It should also work exactly the same way with Bulgarian and again you can
use the numbers (#&123) to recreate the original filename.

Regards Lagi

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 07:11, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/22/20 10:42 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> > On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >>> Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
> >>
> >> No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the
> server on request.
> >> There are currently hundreds of them with more added frequently. That's
> why I'm looking for a
> >> solution that doesn't involve changing all the file names, because
> renaming and re-uploading
> >> all those files would be way too much work.
> >
> > How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar
> that stores the
> > filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now on and not have
> to mess with the
> > existing ones.
>
> I may have misled you. When I said the files were permanent, I meant they
> stay on the server
> until they get changed, which is fairly regular. They aren't stored on the
> user's machine where
> tempfile would be, they are downloaded as needed and only kept in memory.
>
> Basically, stacks are named based on a FileMaker database that spits out
> text files listing
> various properties and content that our app needs to know. Stacks are
> created by a tool I wrote
> that merges those text files with a stack template to populate the
> content. The stack name in
> the text file is not only used to create the file name but also appears in
> several other places
> within the stack (menus, popdown buttons, labels, etc.) The file name is
> created by munging the
> name string. I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names based
> on the string that
> comes out of the database.
>
> There's more to it than that; the server runs a cron job hourly that
> indexes all its files and
> creates AWS secure URLs for each. The app downloads that lookup file on
> demand. When the user
> selects a name from a list, the selection is munged to match the server
> name and the download
> URL is obtained from the cron job's lookup file.
>
> We don't have a field in the database for a file name. We set up the
> system this way so we
> could change names when needed, which happens whenever the content and
> distribution of the
> material changes. Stacks are updated and replaced, sometimes split into
> two stacks, sometimes
> combined, sometimes rebuilt from scratch. As long as the FM text files
> contain the right
> string, the app can create the server filename. But the file name needs to
> be readily
> identifiable so we can manage the replacements on the server easily. If
> file names were UUIDs,
> wouldn't we still need a way to match the user's selection to a UUID?
>
> When we set this up, we didn't know we were going to go multi-lingual.
>
> --
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Sep 23 08:12:43 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:12:43 -0400
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <BA103C47-3049-4C28-BEB6-51F1F60E7C73@major-k.de>
References: <BA103C47-3049-4C28-BEB6-51F1F60E7C73@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3B81E067-2025-45B7-BD0A-8704FAD9337E@milby7.com>

It doesn?t require an actual file, just an XML document.  I posted LCB code to convert the SVG path to what is needed for the compile.  It will require an engine change or LCB to get the path translated to remove top/left extra space.

I think the best way would be to update one of the LCB libraries to include my handler and the add a handler to the drawing library that uses it to do the compile.

Now that I?m writing/thinking, it might could be done inside the LCB code with a call to the compile script.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2020, at 3:19 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all,
> 
> FYI:
> I just created an enhancement request to make drawingSVGCompile also work
> internally with a widget: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22915>
> 
>> Am 22.09.2020 um 10:08 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> Hi Brian,
>>>> Am 22.09.2020 um 05:38 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Here's a link to the post in the archives:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-September/250326.html
>>> 
>>> I could get close, but still needed to work out a way to translate the path
>>> to improve upon what was already discussed.  (I can get the actual bounding
>>> box, but it doesn't really help with eliminating the need to use the cropIt
>>> handler.)
>> ...
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Sep 23 08:17:35 2020
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:17:35 +0200
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <3B81E067-2025-45B7-BD0A-8704FAD9337E@milby7.com>
References: <BA103C47-3049-4C28-BEB6-51F1F60E7C73@major-k.de>
 <3B81E067-2025-45B7-BD0A-8704FAD9337E@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <2886285A-8D5A-427D-AEC8-A816D3220761@major-k.de>

Hi Brian,

> Am 23.09.2020 um 14:12 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It doesn?t require an actual file, just an XML document.  

yes, I understood that already. 8-)

> I posted LCB code to convert the SVG path to what is needed for the compile.  It will require an engine change or LCB to get the path translated to remove top/left extra space.
> I think the best way would be to update one of the LCB libraries to include my handler and the add a handler to the drawing library that uses it to do the compile.
> Now that I?m writing/thinking, it might could be done inside the LCB code with a call to the compile script.

Thank you, but LCB is still a complete mistery to me and that ain't gonna change in the near future...

> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...
>> FYI:
>> I just created an enhancement request to make drawingSVGCompile also work
>> internally with a widget: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22915>
>> 
>>> Am 22.09.2020 um 10:08 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>> Am 22.09.2020 um 05:38 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> Here's a link to the post in the archives:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-September/250326.html

Best

Klaus

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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Sep 23 09:21:59 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:21:59 -0400
Subject: Create image from SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <2886285A-8D5A-427D-AEC8-A816D3220761@major-k.de>
References: <2886285A-8D5A-427D-AEC8-A816D3220761@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <2DE717F8-71A3-4797-B662-B3020F001B7E@milby7.com>

If it is placed in a library that is distributed with the IDE, then you wouldn?t need to worry about the LCB side of it.

If it is easy enough to translate a path in the compile code, LCB wouldn?t be needed at all.  I just didn?t spend enough time to figure it out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Brian,
> 
>> Am 23.09.2020 um 14:12 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> It doesn?t require an actual file, just an XML document.  
> 
> yes, I understood that already. 8-)
> 
>> I posted LCB code to convert the SVG path to what is needed for the compile.  It will require an engine change or LCB to get the path translated to remove top/left extra space.
>> I think the best way would be to update one of the LCB libraries to include my handler and the add a handler to the drawing library that uses it to do the compile.
>> Now that I?m writing/thinking, it might could be done inside the LCB code with a call to the compile script.
> 
> Thank you, but LCB is still a complete mistery to me and that ain't gonna change in the near future...
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...
>>> FYI:
>>> I just created an enhancement request to make drawingSVGCompile also work
>>> internally with a widget: <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22915>
>>> 
>>>> Am 22.09.2020 um 10:08 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>> Am 22.09.2020 um 05:38 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> Here's a link to the post in the archives:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-September/250326.html
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Sep 23 10:16:17 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:16:17 -0400
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <b5d0b12f-6f6c-e984-9fc8-709c38c11b7e@researchware.com>

On 9/22/2020 6:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler 
> uses the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext 
> plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an 
> AWS server and displayed.
>
> We are now translating some stacks to other languages which require 
> unicode text. AWS recommends not using accented characters in file 
> names, so we need to translate the clicktext into plain ASCII.
>
> Is there a good way to do that without using a lookup table or 
> metadata? The file names doesn't need to make sense syntactically. For 
> example,
>
> ?? l?Acad?mie fran?aise -> lAcademiefrancaise.livecode
>
> ...or similar, whatever works. The user will never see the file name.
>

You should probably use the same model as LiveCOde uses to match files 
names returned from the files(<path>"detailed-utf8") function:

urlEncode(textEncode(normalizeText(<name>,"NFC"),"utf8"))

Converts:
Russian-????????-Lipsum.docx

To:
Russian-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-Lipsum.docx

For what your doing, I think that using:

urlEncode(textEncode(<accentedListName>,"utf8")) -> gets <filename>

and

textDecode(urlDecode(<filename>),"utf8") -> gets <accentedListName>

should be enough.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep 23 10:52:18 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:52:18 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
 <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6654E222-11AB-4DCC-B94B-65240FD3E952@iotecdigital.com>

You could extract the filename part of the path returned by tempfile() and use that anywhere. That would require something to track the visible name linked to the stored filename tho?.

Bob S


On Sep 22, 2020, at 11:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On 9/22/20 10:42 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?

No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added frequently. That's why I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve changing all the file names, because renaming and re-uploading all those files would be way too much work.
How do the files get retrieved? Is there a database or something similar that stores the filenames? You could still use UUID filenames from now on and not have to mess with the existing ones.

I may have misled you. When I said the files were permanent, I meant they stay on the server until they get changed, which is fairly regular. They aren't stored on the user's machine where tempfile would be, they are downloaded as needed and only kept in memory.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 23 11:03:44 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 08:03:44 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2913bfbc-574e-6efc-0532-1bc41c3927cd@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay write:

 > I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names
 > based on the string that comes out of the database.

Ah, public clouds...

Amazon's S3 docs say just encoding in UTF-8 should suffice, but then 
they also list a lot of characters they consider "special", but common 
usage considers them not so special at all, so conflicts like this are 
apparently abundant.

One workaround for their storage name limitations I've seen used 
elsewhere is hash-based names, giving you a string that is plain ASCII, 
of a fixed and usable length, and is derived from the file name so 
systems don't need to maintain a lookup table to find the file based on 
a given string.

This will give you a 40-char string in plain ol' ASCII unique to the input:

     function CleanHash s
        get binaryDecode("h*", sha1Digest(s), tHash)
        return tHash
     end CleanHash

e.g.:

     get CleanHash("MyFile.txt")

...returns:

     d9275b8f757ce47c240d276c1e1192dae8585eba


 > ...When the user selects a name from a list, the selection is munged
 > to match the server name and the download URL is obtained from the
 > cron job's lookup file.
 >
 > We don't have a field in the database for a file name.

Since a hash is derived from the file name, you don't need to maintain a 
lookup table as you would with an arbitrary string like UUID.

If I understand your problem correctly, that file identification need 
only be in one direction, just add the hash as part of your existing 
munge and you're pretty much done.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep 23 11:08:12 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:08:12 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <2913bfbc-574e-6efc-0532-1bc41c3927cd@fourthworld.com>
References: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
 <2913bfbc-574e-6efc-0532-1bc41c3927cd@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2AAFAEE0-EC6E-44BD-8E71-1AF8761C2D45@iotecdigital.com>

Will binaryEncode get you back to the filename?

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

J. Landman Gay write:

> I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names
> based on the string that comes out of the database.

Ah, public clouds...

Amazon's S3 docs say just encoding in UTF-8 should suffice, but then they also list a lot of characters they consider "special", but common usage considers them not so special at all, so conflicts like this are apparently abundant.

One workaround for their storage name limitations I've seen used elsewhere is hash-based names, giving you a string that is plain ASCII, of a fixed and usable length, and is derived from the file name so systems don't need to maintain a lookup table to find the file based on a given string.

This will give you a 40-char string in plain ol' ASCII unique to the input:

   function CleanHash s
      get binaryDecode("h*", sha1Digest(s), tHash)
      return tHash
   end CleanHash

e.g.:

   get CleanHash("MyFile.txt")

...returns:

   d9275b8f757ce47c240d276c1e1192dae8585eba



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep 23 11:09:04 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:09:04 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <2AAFAEE0-EC6E-44BD-8E71-1AF8761C2D45@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
 <2913bfbc-574e-6efc-0532-1bc41c3927cd@fourthworld.com>
 <2AAFAEE0-EC6E-44BD-8E71-1AF8761C2D45@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>

Duh. That was a stupid question. How do you get back to the filename?

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

Will binaryEncode get you back to the filename?

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

J. Landman Gay write:

> I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names
> based on the string that comes out of the database.

Ah, public clouds...

Amazon's S3 docs say just encoding in UTF-8 should suffice, but then they also list a lot of characters they consider "special", but common usage considers them not so special at all, so conflicts like this are apparently abundant.

One workaround for their storage name limitations I've seen used elsewhere is hash-based names, giving you a string that is plain ASCII, of a fixed and usable length, and is derived from the file name so systems don't need to maintain a lookup table to find the file based on a given string.

This will give you a 40-char string in plain ol' ASCII unique to the input:

   function CleanHash s
      get binaryDecode("h*", sha1Digest(s), tHash)
      return tHash
   end CleanHash

e.g.:

   get CleanHash("MyFile.txt")

...returns:

   d9275b8f757ce47c240d276c1e1192dae8585eba




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 23 14:26:58 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:26:58 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>

If I understand her problem correctly, file identification need only be 
in one direction.

As far as I can tell from the description, everything that needs to 
determine which file to access does so by using a string from which the 
hashed file name can be derived.

That she already has a munger to derive the file name seems to reinforce 
that.

My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to 
satisfy the two problem areas identified: that names not be too long, 
and that any munger not remove so many characters as to make the file 
name non-unique or empty.

In some respects the benefits of a hash in this case are similar to 
using a UUID.  But UUID is arbitrary and therefore requires establishing 
and maintaining a lookup table. In contrast, a hash is directly 
derivable from the file name, providing the same benefit as UUID for 
this case but without the need for a lookup table.

Like the old saying goes, "There are two hard problems in computer 
science: cache invalidation, and naming things".

Lookup tables are effectively a form of cache, a secondary replication 
of data, very useful at times but best avoided unless absolutely necessary.


- Richard Gaskin
   Fourth World Systems



Bob Sneidar bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com

 > How do you get back to the filename?

 > On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> One workaround for their storage name limitations I've seen used
 >> elsewhere is hash-based names, giving you a string that is plain
 >> ASCII, of a fixed and usable length, and is derived from the file
 >> name so systems don't need to maintain a lookup table to find the
 >> file based on a given string.
 >>
 >> This will give you a 40-char string in plain ol' ASCII unique to the
 >> input:
 >>
 >>   function CleanHash s
 >>      get binaryDecode("h*", sha1Digest(s), tHash)
 >>      return tHash
 >>   end CleanHash
 >>
 >> e.g.:
 >>
 >>   get CleanHash("MyFile.txt")
 >>
 >> ...returns:
 >>
 >>   d9275b8f757ce47c240d276c1e1192dae8585eba
 >>
 >>> ...When the user selects a name from a list, the selection is munged
 >>> to match the server name and the download URL is obtained from the
 >>> cron job's lookup file.
 >>>
 >>> We don't have a field in the database for a file name.
 >>
 >> Since a hash is derived from the file name, you don't need to
 >> maintain a lookup table as you would with an arbitrary string like
 >> UUID.
 >
 >> If I understand your problem correctly, that file identification need
 >> only be in one direction, just add the hash as part of your existing
 >> munge and you're pretty much done.
 >>
 >> --
 >> Richard Gaskin




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep 23 14:40:45 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:40:45 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <67AE76A9-EBEE-4876-8E8D-56E31544ECA1@iotecdigital.com>

Understood, but if it were reversible, it would eliminate the necessity of a lookup table as an intermediary. 

Bob S


> On Sep 23, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If I understand her problem correctly, file identification need only be in one direction.
> 
> As far as I can tell from the description, everything that needs to determine which file to access does so by using a string from which the hashed file name can be derived.
> 
> That she already has a munger to derive the file name seems to reinforce that.
> 
> My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to satisfy the two problem areas identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove so many characters as to make the file name non-unique or empty.
> 
> In some respects the benefits of a hash in this case are similar to using a UUID.  But UUID is arbitrary and therefore requires establishing and maintaining a lookup table. In contrast, a hash is directly derivable from the file name, providing the same benefit as UUID for this case but without the need for a lookup table.
> 
> Like the old saying goes, "There are two hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, and naming things".
> 
> Lookup tables are effectively a form of cache, a secondary replication of data, very useful at times but best avoided unless absolutely necessary.
> 
> 
> - Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
> 
> > How do you get back to the filename?
> 
> > On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> One workaround for their storage name limitations I've seen used
> >> elsewhere is hash-based names, giving you a string that is plain
> >> ASCII, of a fixed and usable length, and is derived from the file
> >> name so systems don't need to maintain a lookup table to find the
> >> file based on a given string.
> >>
> >> This will give you a 40-char string in plain ol' ASCII unique to the
> >> input:
> >>
> >>   function CleanHash s
> >>      get binaryDecode("h*", sha1Digest(s), tHash)
> >>      return tHash
> >>   end CleanHash
> >>
> >> e.g.:
> >>
> >>   get CleanHash("MyFile.txt")
> >>
> >> ...returns:
> >>
> >>   d9275b8f757ce47c240d276c1e1192dae8585eba
> >>
> >>> ...When the user selects a name from a list, the selection is munged
> >>> to match the server name and the download URL is obtained from the
> >>> cron job's lookup file.
> >>>
> >>> We don't have a field in the database for a file name.
> >>
> >> Since a hash is derived from the file name, you don't need to
> >> maintain a lookup table as you would with an arbitrary string like
> >> UUID.
> >
> >> If I understand your problem correctly, that file identification need
> >> only be in one direction, just add the hash as part of your existing
> >> munge and you're pretty much done.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard Gaskin
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 23 14:47:21 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:47:21 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <67AE76A9-EBEE-4876-8E8D-56E31544ECA1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <67AE76A9-EBEE-4876-8E8D-56E31544ECA1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <001d1ca7-d860-c039-64ed-5932a9f2bfd4@fourthworld.com>

No lookup table is needed at all if the relationship between the 
original string and the resulting munged file name never needs to also 
work the other direction.

If bidirectional derivation is needed, given the limitations imposed by 
AWS' naming limitations I would see no way to avoid requiring a lookup 
table.

But so far I haven't read anything requiring this to work in both 
directions.  Did I miss something?  Does she also rely on an unmunger 
function?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Understood, but if it were reversible, it would eliminate the necessity of a lookup table as an intermediary. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If I understand her problem correctly, file identification need only be in one direction.
>> 
>> As far as I can tell from the description, everything that needs to determine which file to access does so by using a string from which the hashed file name can be derived.
>> 
>> That she already has a munger to derive the file name seems to reinforce that.
>> 
>> My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to satisfy the two problem areas identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove so many characters as to make the file name non-unique or empty.
>> 
>> In some respects the benefits of a hash in this case are similar to using a UUID.  But UUID is arbitrary and therefore requires establishing and maintaining a lookup table. In contrast, a hash is directly derivable from the file name, providing the same benefit as UUID for this case but without the need for a lookup table.
>> 
>> Like the old saying goes, "There are two hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, and naming things".
>> 
>> Lookup tables are effectively a form of cache, a secondary replication of data, very useful at times but best avoided unless absolutely necessary.
>> 
>> 
>> - Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems




From markclark at mac.com  Wed Sep 23 15:28:11 2020
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:28:11 -0500
Subject: Livecode S3 library for AWS compatible object store 
Message-ID: <25B65CF8-EC56-4878-B502-C28286CE3181@mac.com>

Hello, I have been away from LC for a while and noticed that there is now an AWSS3 library. Looks great and simple. However, this seems from a cursory read to be actually tied to AWS vs a more generic S3 wrapper allowing arbitrary endpoints. Is there a mechanism to point this at S3 compatible storage systems in addition to the actual ($$$) Amazon? Specifically I am interested in minio (minio.io <http://minio.io/>) and cloudian connectivity. I have been using shell to access object but it would be much nicer to do this all within LC.TIA, hope this isn?t a frequently asked/answered question.

Mark

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 23 15:30:10 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:30:10 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <001d1ca7-d860-c039-64ed-5932a9f2bfd4@fourthworld.com>
References: <67AE76A9-EBEE-4876-8E8D-56E31544ECA1@iotecdigital.com>
 <001d1ca7-d860-c039-64ed-5932a9f2bfd4@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c30e50eb-4c9a-2935-5bf1-376294f5caae@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/23/20 1:47 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> But so far I haven't read anything requiring this to work in both directions.? Did I miss 
> something?? Does she also rely on an unmunger function?

No, you're correct, I only need the conversion to go one-way. The cron job creates complex URLs 
a mile long. The lookup file it creates has this format:

Textual_Criticism.livecode <tab> 
https://dqmm28l5t1itz.cloudfront.net/1.0/livecode/Textual_Criticism.livecode?Expires=1554403453&Signature=ETEOPBOvK0FPbgw1OYHJwP~GQX6zJsNIjXybhs4Tu9JG8FG6pNh1ck4zzb7POsSZD6GY-ON~sKIBmPNaSyIW6~LUSx6FqG2Lhq5sDDb4KlF7dP3hYNpXNciP6cc4fdyi6CoS1hPmHoGj8GkMBuCuRQd7AepSK0t0FD2mxaPdwp6bZiIzN3I6z91DgeSZxGkeO7gBX2whRfCvlJOOnZLdQMyOJLz4XUMwRVC39xMtyug57Hqie6MLgh7JXm9PuQ4NEjuKS7o~1plgsZv190lFSH0i~WYiJ76MIOeZr1~gylKNB1Jhb1h12FYuif0EHg9uAQxGDJb4LzA9BENipNZbww__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAINQSYWCWHU2UGIVA

I download the cron lookup file early after startup. When I need to get a file from the server, 
I replace spaces with underscores in the name string and add the extension. Then I use 
lineoffset to find the file in a list of hundreds and extract its URL to retrieve the stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep 23 15:51:05 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:51:05 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <001d1ca7-d860-c039-64ed-5932a9f2bfd4@fourthworld.com>
References: <67AE76A9-EBEE-4876-8E8D-56E31544ECA1@iotecdigital.com>
 <001d1ca7-d860-c039-64ed-5932a9f2bfd4@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <22F77099-C6BF-4BA6-AF63-73458E66B8C6@iotecdigital.com>

Yes I understand that I was thinking of using the method for something I need.

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

No lookup table is needed at all if the relationship between the original string and the resulting munged file name never needs to also work the other direction.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 23 15:59:01 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:59:01 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/23/20 1:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to satisfy the two problem areas 
> identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove so many characters as to 
> make the file name non-unique or empty.

There's one more consideration though. The file name must be recognizable so that it can be 
replaced or updated on the server easily by a human. Hashes, UUIDs, html entity numbers, HEX, 
etc. would all be workable if that weren't the case.

But consider the case where my client has made a few edits to the text in a stack and wants to 
replace the existing one. With descriptive names, the file is easy to find in the AWS bucket. 
But comparing long sequences of indecipherable text is cumbersome.

I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might satisfy all 
requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or alternately I could 
bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the clickable lists. That 
isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different way using what we 
already have.

Devin, Paul and Scott suggested variations on the "removal" approach. I haven't tested much, 
but it looks like converting to UTF8 will quickly remove any non-ascii characters. Duplication 
of file names is unlikely given the way various product files are separately stored on AWS.

But I'm still pondering. When I first asked the question, I wondered if there was a quick way 
to do what I want, though I didn't expect much. What I got back from this amazing list is a 
wealth of ideas and a very interesting discussion.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 16:17:44 2020
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 21:17:44 +0100
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VCajj6_L2k0tR6a+s3LLG9o4kviYLhaLARQn7aOnbFaiA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jacq,

Since you don't do Chinese then I think what I suggested would work except
for bulgarian and other non latin alphabets. (which you could use a
translation table for).
It also is compatible with   all the previous names as the  extract and
tagging on the end will only happen with new unicode file names.

Since most names will only have a maximum of 3 or 4 diacritics or non ascii
characters within them (big assumption) - removing the non ascii but
tagging their  #&codes on the end with a positional value
gives you the readable filename and the uniqueness in 1 hit - or am i
missing something?

Lagi

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/23/20 1:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> > My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to
> satisfy the two problem areas
> > identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove
> so many characters as to
> > make the file name non-unique or empty.
>
> There's one more consideration though. The file name must be recognizable
> so that it can be
> replaced or updated on the server easily by a human. Hashes, UUIDs, html
> entity numbers, HEX,
> etc. would all be workable if that weren't the case.
>
> But consider the case where my client has made a few edits to the text in
> a stack and wants to
> replace the existing one. With descriptive names, the file is easy to find
> in the AWS bucket.
> But comparing long sequences of indecipherable text is cumbersome.
>
> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might
> satisfy all
> requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or
> alternately I could
> bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the
> clickable lists. That
> isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different
> way using what we
> already have.
>
> Devin, Paul and Scott suggested variations on the "removal" approach. I
> haven't tested much,
> but it looks like converting to UTF8 will quickly remove any non-ascii
> characters. Duplication
> of file names is unlikely given the way various product files are
> separately stored on AWS.
>
> But I'm still pondering. When I first asked the question, I wondered if
> there was a quick way
> to do what I want, though I didn't expect much. What I got back from this
> amazing list is a
> wealth of ideas and a very interesting discussion.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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-- 
KIndest Regards Lagi


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Sep 23 17:51:25 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:51:25 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <19513f43-67c4-1480-162c-61aeb5128fe3@fourthworld.com>

For an ongoing need like that on a substantial project, I'd automate it:

She works on her master copy, then presses a button.  Done.

The button saves the stack, copies it to the munged name, and uploads it 
for her, even verifying the integrity of the upload afterward (machines 
don't mind the extra work).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 9/23/20 1:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to satisfy the two problem areas 
>> identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove so many characters as to 
>> make the file name non-unique or empty.
> 
> There's one more consideration though. The file name must be recognizable so that it can be 
> replaced or updated on the server easily by a human. Hashes, UUIDs, html entity numbers, HEX, 
> etc. would all be workable if that weren't the case.
> 
> But consider the case where my client has made a few edits to the text in a stack and wants to 
> replace the existing one. With descriptive names, the file is easy to find in the AWS bucket. 
> But comparing long sequences of indecipherable text is cumbersome.
> 
> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might satisfy all 
> requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or alternately I could 
> bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the clickable lists. That 
> isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different way using what we 
> already have.
> 
> Devin, Paul and Scott suggested variations on the "removal" approach. I haven't tested much, 
> but it looks like converting to UTF8 will quickly remove any non-ascii characters. Duplication 
> of file names is unlikely given the way various product files are separately stored on AWS.
> 
> But I'm still pondering. When I first asked the question, I wondered if there was a quick way 
> to do what I want, though I didn't expect much. What I got back from this amazing list is a 
> wealth of ideas and a very interesting discussion.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Sep 23 18:24:38 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:24:38 +0000
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <19513f43-67c4-1480-162c-61aeb5128fe3@fourthworld.com>
References: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <19513f43-67c4-1480-162c-61aeb5128fe3@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <802262EB-5BB5-4406-AD47-D0D6C705BC73@iotecdigital.com>

FYI I have a rudimentary document storage system developed where I can ?check out? a document from my app so that no one else can check it out, which downloads the file from it?s repository into a temp folder. The user can then edit or work with the file, then check it in. It RETAINS the versions and detects if the metadata of the file has changed (date time modified) then imports a new copy if it has under an incrementing version number.

Thing is, right now I am pulling those files from a mySQL database, and so I have to limit the size of the binary. I have a way of sending and receiving files and data securely via socket agents, I just need to implement it. That would allow me to migrate all the mySQL storage off to real file storage, and would eliminate the size restriction.

Right now I am reticent to develop it because things are so slow at work, and I?m not sure they would want to use it anyway. But if anyone was interested in such a thing, I would feel more motivated.

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

For an ongoing need like that on a substantial project, I'd automate it:

She works on her master copy, then presses a button.  Done.

The button saves the stack, copies it to the munged name, and uploads it for her, even verifying the integrity of the upload afterward (machines don't mind the extra work).

--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems


From monte at appisle.net  Wed Sep 23 18:24:24 2020
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:24:24 +1000
Subject: Livecode S3 library for AWS compatible object store 
In-Reply-To: <25B65CF8-EC56-4878-B502-C28286CE3181@mac.com>
References: <25B65CF8-EC56-4878-B502-C28286CE3181@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8510BB3-79A2-477F-820C-7C14F185514D@appisle.net>

Hi Mark

If you would like to create an enhancement request at quality.livecode.com <http://quality.livecode.com/> we can see what we can do. If it?s just a matter of changing the host (currently hard coded as s3[-<region>].amazonaws.com <http://amazonaws.com/>) then it?s a relatively trivial patch. FWIW I just opened this issue after reminding myself how we build the endpoint https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22917

Cheers

Monte

> On 24 Sep 2020, at 5:28 am, Mark Clark via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I have been away from LC for a while and noticed that there is now an AWSS3 library. Looks great and simple. However, this seems from a cursory read to be actually tied to AWS vs a more generic S3 wrapper allowing arbitrary endpoints. Is there a mechanism to point this at S3 compatible storage systems in addition to the actual ($$$) Amazon? Specifically I am interested in minio (minio.io <http://minio.io/>) and cloudian connectivity. I have been using shell to access object but it would be much nicer to do this all within LC.TIA, hope this isn?t a frequently asked/answered question.
> 
> Mark
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Sep 23 18:25:12 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:25:12 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
 <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <b2df9b66-f9af-a146-5530-1fb11eed188e@sonic.net>

On 9/22/20 11:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

> There's more to it than that; the server runs a cron job hourly that 
> indexes all its files and creates AWS secure URLs for each. The app 
> downloads that lookup file on demand. When the user selects a name from 
> a list, the selection is munged to match the server name and the 
> download URL is obtained from the cron job's lookup file.


LOL. This is starting to remind me of Hal Draper's classic
"Ms Fnd in a Lbry". Been out of print since 1985, but online:

https://folk.universitetetioslo.no/knuthe/kuriosa/draper.pdf

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Sep 23 19:38:55 2020
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 01:38:55 +0200
Subject: Some problems with an old stack that gets regular updates
Message-ID: <96D3D337-549D-4601-B12F-C7941CB533FD@m-r-d.de>

Hello,

i have some problems with a stack which i update very often. The stack was created 4 or 5 years ago, maybe even some more years ago. The gets regular updates as my time allows.

In Standalone Settings i have set the option to manually select inclusions. I am working with LC 9.6.1, but tried also with 9.6.0 and 9.5.1 on Mac OS 10.14.6

1. I've added some code to call a url using  
put URL "https:......" into tInfo

This works in the IDE, but not in the standalone, although i have selected INTERNET and SSL&Encryption to be included in the standalone
In the standalone the URL is not fetched and tInfo always is empty. I tried also with http:// instead of https:// but also without success.
Tried with tsNet and without.

Trying this with a new stack works w/o problems.


2. Trying to use the remote debugger, regardless if  in a "real" standalone" or using the test button, does not work. The debugger is not initiated, although i have set red breakpoints and even used the Breakpoint keyword in the script and selected RemoteDebugger to be included in Standalone Settings.

Trying to use the Remote Debugger with a newer stack works w/o a problem.


Did anyone else ever ran into any of these problems with an older stack. Or does anyone have an idea what might cause this?

What i noticed is, that in the cRevGeneral Property Set of the stack there is a property stackfileversion with a value of 5.5.
But changing this or removing that property completely does not help either.


Regards,
Matthias



-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 23 19:50:45 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:50:45 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <b2df9b66-f9af-a146-5530-1fb11eed188e@sonic.net>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
 <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
 <b2df9b66-f9af-a146-5530-1fb11eed188e@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <174bd606408.27e3.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Heh. Now you understand why I didn't want another lookup table.

:)

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 23, 2020 5:27:06 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/22/20 11:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> There's more to it than that; the server runs a cron job hourly that
>> indexes all its files and creates AWS secure URLs for each. The app
>> downloads that lookup file on demand. When the user selects a name from
>> a list, the selection is munged to match the server name and the
>> download URL is obtained from the cron job's lookup file.
>
>
> LOL. This is starting to remind me of Hal Draper's classic
> "Ms Fnd in a Lbry". Been out of print since 1985, but online:
>
> https://folk.universitetetioslo.no/knuthe/kuriosa/draper.pdf
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Sep 23 19:59:11 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:59:11 -0700
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <174bd606408.27e3.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ad5b8d8b-04b0-0e57-7eec-1e2050fbcbd7@hyperactivesw.com>
 <91719763-a22a-c2ba-77ea-3b6a1adbaca1@hyperactivesw.com>
 <df0a5023-f69f-0e38-117a-08cbb3062894@sonic.net>
 <5a6521ef-f66d-b4e8-24c6-9a6ed2aea15a@hyperactivesw.com>
 <b2df9b66-f9af-a146-5530-1fb11eed188e@sonic.net>
 <174bd606408.27e3.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0164ab60-6a0f-9ac4-cc45-1d8811f967c9@sonic.net>

On 9/23/20 4:50 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> Heh. Now you understand why I didn't want another lookup table.
> 
> :)

OTOH, one of the cardinal rules of data design is *not* to use real data 
as an index into data. YMMV.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 02:58:41 2020
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 07:58:41 +0100
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>

Jacqueline,

You said earlier you don't have a field in the database for the file name. But does the database table have a unique numerical ID field for each record?  If so, could you strip out the non-ASCII characters and then append the numerical ID to the file name? 

> On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might satisfy all requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or alternately I could bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the clickable lists. That isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different way using what we already have.
> 




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 11:57:33 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:57:33 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <19513f43-67c4-1480-162c-61aeb5128fe3@fourthworld.com>
References: <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <19513f43-67c4-1480-162c-61aeb5128fe3@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <174c0d585c8.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

It's all automated already except for the uploading. The file organization 
on AWS is complex and the stacks don't all go in the same place.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 23, 2020 4:53:36 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> For an ongoing need like that on a substantial project, I'd automate it:
>
> She works on her master copy, then presses a button.  Done.
>
> The button saves the stack, copies it to the munged name, and uploads it
> for her, even verifying the integrity of the upload afterward (machines
> don't mind the extra work).
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 9/23/20 1:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>> My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to satisfy 
>>> the two problem areas
>>> identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove so 
>>> many characters as to
>>> make the file name non-unique or empty.
>>
>> There's one more consideration though. The file name must be recognizable 
>> so that it can be
>> replaced or updated on the server easily by a human. Hashes, UUIDs, html 
>> entity numbers, HEX,
>> etc. would all be workable if that weren't the case.
>>
>> But consider the case where my client has made a few edits to the text in a 
>> stack and wants to
>> replace the existing one. With descriptive names, the file is easy to find 
>> in the AWS bucket.
>> But comparing long sequences of indecipherable text is cumbersome.
>>
>> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might 
>> satisfy all
>> requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or 
>> alternately I could
>> bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the 
>> clickable lists. That
>> isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different way 
>> using what we
>> already have.
>>
>> Devin, Paul and Scott suggested variations on the "removal" approach. I 
>> haven't tested much,
>> but it looks like converting to UTF8 will quickly remove any non-ascii 
>> characters. Duplication
>> of file names is unlikely given the way various product files are 
>> separately stored on AWS.
>>
>> But I'm still pondering. When I first asked the question, I wondered if 
>> there was a quick way
>> to do what I want, though I didn't expect much. What I got back from this 
>> amazing list is a
>> wealth of ideas and a very interesting discussion.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 12:12:12 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:12:12 -0500
Subject: Some problems with an old stack that gets regular updates
In-Reply-To: <96D3D337-549D-4601-B12F-C7941CB533FD@m-r-d.de>
References: <96D3D337-549D-4601-B12F-C7941CB533FD@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <174c0e2ef60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I haven't had the internet problem but I went a whole year once where I 
couldn't get remote debugging to work. I never did figure out why. Then it 
started to work again by itself. I never thought to check the stack file 
version. You could Save As with the latest LC version and see if that helps.

I always include both the internet library and TSNet when I need internet 
connections. Did you try using both?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 23, 2020 6:40:58 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> i have some problems with a stack which i update very often. The stack was 
> created 4 or 5 years ago, maybe even some more years ago. The gets regular 
> updates as my time allows.
>
> In Standalone Settings i have set the option to manually select inclusions. 
> I am working with LC 9.6.1, but tried also with 9.6.0 and 9.5.1 on Mac OS 
> 10.14.6
>
> 1. I've added some code to call a url using
> put URL "https:......" into tInfo
>
> This works in the IDE, but not in the standalone, although i have selected 
> INTERNET and SSL&Encryption to be included in the standalone
> In the standalone the URL is not fetched and tInfo always is empty. I tried 
> also with http:// instead of https:// but also without success.
> Tried with tsNet and without.
>
> Trying this with a new stack works w/o problems.
>
>
> 2. Trying to use the remote debugger, regardless if  in a "real" 
> standalone" or using the test button, does not work. The debugger is not 
> initiated, although i have set red breakpoints and even used the Breakpoint 
> keyword in the script and selected RemoteDebugger to be included in 
> Standalone Settings.
>
> Trying to use the Remote Debugger with a newer stack works w/o a problem.
>
>
> Did anyone else ever ran into any of these problems with an older stack. Or 
> does anyone have an idea what might cause this?
>
> What i noticed is, that in the cRevGeneral Property Set of the stack there 
> is a property stackfileversion with a value of 5.5.
> But changing this or removing that property completely does not help either.
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 12:14:22 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:14:22 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <174c0e4eb30.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm pretty sure each record has an ID. This would be for ensuring unique 
file names, right?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 24, 2020 2:00:50 AM Dave Cragg via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Jacqueline,
>
> You said earlier you don't have a field in the database for the file name. 
> But does the database table have a unique numerical ID field for each 
> record?  If so, could you strip out the non-ASCII characters and then 
> append the numerical ID to the file name?
>
>> On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might 
>> satisfy all requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese 
>> yet. Or alternately I could bite the bullet and convert my build tool to 
>> insert metadata into the clickable lists. That isn't terribly difficult, I 
>> was just wondering if there was a different way using what we already have.
>>
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Sep 24 12:26:28 2020
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:26:28 +0100
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <E6C1A1D9-80E2-4E8D-B939-D4A775B1CD99@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <174c0e4eb30.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E6C1A1D9-80E2-4E8D-B939-D4A775B1CD99@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <53259254-CDC8-46C7-A2F5-D7181735417B@lacscentre.co.uk>



That's what I was thinking. So the filename for " l?Acad?mie fran?aise" might becomes something like  lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode. Kind of readable, but guaranteed unique. (And also allows identifying the database record from the filename if that is needed.)

(Apologies if this appears twice.)

> 
> I'm pretty sure each record has an ID. This would be for ensuring unique file names, right?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On September 24, 2020 2:00:50 AM Dave Cragg via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jacqueline,
>> 
>> You said earlier you don't have a field in the database for the file name. But does the database table have a unique numerical ID field for each record?  If so, could you strip out the non-ASCII characters and then append the numerical ID to the file name?
>> 
>>> On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might satisfy all requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or alternately I could bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the clickable lists. That isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different way using what we already have.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Sep 24 12:54:01 2020
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:54:01 +0100
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <53259254-CDC8-46C7-A2F5-D7181735417B@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <174c0e4eb30.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E6C1A1D9-80E2-4E8D-B939-D4A775B1CD99@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <53259254-CDC8-46C7-A2F5-D7181735417B@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <82b5c3c9-6df3-7df9-f90f-a839076e454b@tweedly.net>

You could even decide that, rather than strip out non-ascii characters, 
you would convert (reduce?) each one to a canonical equivalent (where 
there is one), and hence instead of

l?Acad?mie fran?aise    --->  lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode

it would become

l?Acad?mie fran?aise    --->  lAcademiefrancaise_1234.livecode

Marginally more readable, and much more typeable :-)

Alex.



On 24/09/2020 17:26, Dave Cragg via use-livecode wrote:
>
> That's what I was thinking. So the filename for " l?Acad?mie fran?aise" might becomes something like  lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode. Kind of readable, but guaranteed unique. (And also allows identifying the database record from the filename if that is needed.)
>
> (Apologies if this appears twice.)
>
>> I'm pretty sure each record has an ID. This would be for ensuring unique file names, right?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On September 24, 2020 2:00:50 AM Dave Cragg via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jacqueline,
>>>
>>> You said earlier you don't have a field in the database for the file name. But does the database table have a unique numerical ID field for each record?  If so, could you strip out the non-ASCII characters and then append the numerical ID to the file name?
>>>
>>>> On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might satisfy all requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese yet. Or alternately I could bite the bullet and convert my build tool to insert metadata into the clickable lists. That isn't terribly difficult, I was just wondering if there was a different way using what we already have.
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 13:09:49 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:09:49 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <82b5c3c9-6df3-7df9-f90f-a839076e454b@tweedly.net>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <174c0e4eb30.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E6C1A1D9-80E2-4E8D-B939-D4A775B1CD99@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <53259254-CDC8-46C7-A2F5-D7181735417B@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <82b5c3c9-6df3-7df9-f90f-a839076e454b@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <174c117ab60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

That's what I was hoping for when I started this thread, and it was 
suggested (without the ID) a while back, but then I'd need another lookup 
table. Probably one for each language.

My original goal was to get the canonical version directly from LC somehow.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 24, 2020 11:56:09 AM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> You could even decide that, rather than strip out non-ascii characters,
> you would convert (reduce?) each one to a canonical equivalent (where
> there is one), and hence instead of
>
> l?Acad?mie fran?aise    --->  lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode
>
> it would become
>
> l?Acad?mie fran?aise    --->  lAcademiefrancaise_1234.livecode
>
> Marginally more readable, and much more typeable :-)
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
> On 24/09/2020 17:26, Dave Cragg via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> That's what I was thinking. So the filename for " l?Acad?mie fran?aise" 
>> might becomes something like  lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode. Kind of 
>> readable, but guaranteed unique. (And also allows identifying the database 
>> record from the filename if that is needed.)
>>
>> (Apologies if this appears twice.)
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure each record has an ID. This would be for ensuring unique 
>>> file names, right?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On September 24, 2020 2:00:50 AM Dave Cragg via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacqueline,
>>>>
>>>> You said earlier you don't have a field in the database for the file name. 
>>>> But does the database table have a unique numerical ID field for each 
>>>> record?  If so, could you strip out the non-ASCII characters and then 
>>>> append the numerical ID to the file name?
>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm drifting toward the idea of removing non-ascii characters. That might 
>>>>> satisfy all requirements, at least for now. We don't do Sanskrit or Chinese 
>>>>> yet. Or alternately I could bite the bullet and convert my build tool to 
>>>>> insert metadata into the clickable lists. That isn't terribly difficult, I 
>>>>> was just wondering if there was a different way using what we already have.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Sep 24 14:33:09 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:33:09 -0700
Subject: Back to School: Raspberry Pi fork?
Message-ID: <657dc690-49c3-8fbd-0ae2-b46f21f374b5@fourthworld.com>

I had yet another conversation this morning with a colleague who would 
love to use LC in his school district, but the two crasher  bugs prevent 
him from doing so. Now he's had no choice but to start looking into 
kid-friendly Python environments.

We have that conversation every year. This was the sixth time we've had it.

Surely somewhere in our community or beyond it we can find the resources 
to bring the LC Community build for Raspberry Pi up to 9.6.1.

Who can we hire, and how much would it cost?

If we can find the resource, I'll bet we can come up with the money to 
pay for that programmer's time.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From markclark at mac.com  Thu Sep 24 15:07:04 2020
From: markclark at mac.com (Mark Clark)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:07:04 -0500
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 204, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1600963202.390563.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1600963202.390563.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <01B9CD2F-023A-46EB-9ADA-E1E173453D13@mac.com>

Thanks for the tip. I did file a request but it lists as a bug not an enhancement. Maybe I did something wrong, sorry about that. Posted as # 22919
I think it is mostly just allowing a selectable host IP or FQDN. Many third party object stores with S3 compatibility also default to Region: us-east-1, though that might need to be selectable as well?

Mark

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> If you would like to create an enhancement request at quality.livecode.com <http://quality.livecode.com/> <http://quality.livecode.com/ <http://quality.livecode.com/>> we can see what we can do. If it?s just a matter of changing the host (currently hard coded as s3[-<region>].amazonaws.com <http://amazonaws.com/> <http://amazonaws.com/ <http://amazonaws.com/>>) then it?s a relatively trivial patch. FWIW I just opened this issue after reminding myself how we build the endpoint https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22917 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22917>
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Sep 24 15:26:11 2020
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:26:11 +0200
Subject: Some problems with an old stack that gets regular updates
In-Reply-To: <174c0e2ef60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <96D3D337-549D-4601-B12F-C7941CB533FD@m-r-d.de>
 <174c0e2ef60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3DE9BBBA-03E5-4938-B361-F253F8F85A78@m-r-d.de>

Jacque,

thanks for your answer.

I tried 'Save As' already, but interestingly the value of the stackfileversion property  remains unchanged.

I've tried all variations. Including tsNet and Internet, only tsNet   and also just Internet after disabling  tsNet using
dispatch "revunloadlibrary" to stack tsnetliburl

Regarding the remote debugger... First i thought a protected substack (Zygodact register stack) would cause this. But even without the sub tack i do not get Remote Debugger working.



-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 24.09.2020 um 18:12 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I haven't had the internet problem but I went a whole year once where I couldn't get remote debugging to work. I never did figure out why. Then it started to work again by itself. I never thought to check the stack file version. You could Save As with the latest LC version and see if that helps.
> 
> I always include both the internet library and TSNet when I need internet connections. Did you try using both?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On September 23, 2020 6:40:58 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> i have some problems with a stack which i update very often. The stack was created 4 or 5 years ago, maybe even some more years ago. The gets regular updates as my time allows.
>> 
>> In Standalone Settings i have set the option to manually select inclusions. I am working with LC 9.6.1, but tried also with 9.6.0 and 9.5.1 on Mac OS 10.14.6
>> 
>> 1. I've added some code to call a url using
>> put URL "https:......" into tInfo
>> 
>> This works in the IDE, but not in the standalone, although i have selected INTERNET and SSL&Encryption to be included in the standalone
>> In the standalone the URL is not fetched and tInfo always is empty. I tried also with http:// instead of https:// but also without success.
>> Tried with tsNet and without.
>> 
>> Trying this with a new stack works w/o problems.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. Trying to use the remote debugger, regardless if  in a "real" standalone" or using the test button, does not work. The debugger is not initiated, although i have set red breakpoints and even used the Breakpoint keyword in the script and selected RemoteDebugger to be included in Standalone Settings.
>> 
>> Trying to use the Remote Debugger with a newer stack works w/o a problem.
>> 
>> 
>> Did anyone else ever ran into any of these problems with an older stack. Or does anyone have an idea what might cause this?
>> 
>> What i noticed is, that in the cRevGeneral Property Set of the stack there is a property stackfileversion with a value of 5.5.
>> But changing this or removing that property completely does not help either.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>> 
>> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Sep 24 15:32:59 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:32:59 -0700
Subject: Back to School: Raspberry Pi fork?
In-Reply-To: <657dc690-49c3-8fbd-0ae2-b46f21f374b5@fourthworld.com>
References: <657dc690-49c3-8fbd-0ae2-b46f21f374b5@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7126f9ee-26dd-0334-08fe-d62d075c092d@sonic.net>

On 9/24/20 11:33 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> I had yet another conversation this morning with a colleague who would 
> love to use LC in his school district, but the two crasher? bugs prevent 
> him from doing so. Now he's had no choice but to start looking into 
> kid-friendly Python environments.
> 
> We have that conversation every year. This was the sixth time we've had it.
> 
> Surely somewhere in our community or beyond it we can find the resources 
> to bring the LC Community build for Raspberry Pi up to 9.6.1.
> 
> Who can we hire, and how much would it cost?
> 
> If we can find the resource, I'll bet we can come up with the money to 
> pay for that programmer's time.
> 

Especially given that the future seems to be ARM.
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/09/21/nvidia-has-acquired-arm-what-does-this-mean-for-the-future-of-ai-edge-computing-and-the-people-who-write-software-for-these-chips/?cb=1

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From paul at researchware.com  Thu Sep 24 16:53:26 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:53:26 -0400
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
Message-ID: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>

This question may have an obvious answer, but I am brain dead today, so 
here goes:

I have a app installed with some customers in a Windows network 
environment. They have all their laptops set so that their Home 
directories are on a local network server.

So, where as on a local laptop, specialFolderPath("documents") might 
return "C:/Users/<username>/Documents" as the path, for them 
specialFolderPath("documents") returns something like 
"//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents"

We save a number of folders and files in the user's Documents folder. In 
some cases, if the file is not present (i.e. if there is a file tFile is 
false) we regenerate the file from a default.

Sometime, the server is offline or the user is disconnected from the 
network.

What is a good way to differentiate between:

1) one of these files is not present so must be regenerated, i.e

if there is not a file (specialFolderPath("documents")&slash&tFilename) then
 ? -- regenerate the file tFile at location specialFolderPath("documents")

Versus

2) The Server (//s1.somedomain.com/ is disconnected to down?

So that in case (1) , we regenerate the file and in case (2) we present 
a warning that the server is disconnected or down?

Mu gut says this should be simple, but I just can not wrap my brain 
around it today.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Sep 24 17:20:04 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:20:04 -0500
Subject: Some problems with an old stack that gets regular updates
In-Reply-To: <3DE9BBBA-03E5-4938-B361-F253F8F85A78@m-r-d.de>
References: <96D3D337-549D-4601-B12F-C7941CB533FD@m-r-d.de>
 <174c0e2ef60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3DE9BBBA-03E5-4938-B361-F253F8F85A78@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <174c1fccba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

The ability to preserve the original stack file version is a setting in 
Preferences. I have that turned on too. You can either turn it off, or 
override it in the Save dialog by choosing a version from the pop up button 
at the bottom of the dialog.

I also looked at system prefs when trying to resolve the problem to make 
sure LC was permitted to use internet or sockets or whatever Apple calls 
it, I can't remember exactly. That didn't fix it though.

Like you, I also asked on the list here but no one knew the answer. I know 
that's not much help.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 24, 2020 2:28:21 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Jacque,
>
> thanks for your answer.
>
> I tried 'Save As' already, but interestingly the value of the 
> stackfileversion property  remains unchanged.
>
> I've tried all variations. Including tsNet and Internet, only tsNet   and 
> also just Internet after disabling  tsNet using
> dispatch "revunloadlibrary" to stack tsnetliburl
>
> Regarding the remote debugger... First i thought a protected substack 
> (Zygodact register stack) would cause this. But even without the sub tack i 
> do not get Remote Debugger working.
>
>
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
>> Am 24.09.2020 um 18:12 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> I haven't had the internet problem but I went a whole year once where I 
>> couldn't get remote debugging to work. I never did figure out why. Then it 
>> started to work again by itself. I never thought to check the stack file 
>> version. You could Save As with the latest LC version and see if that helps.
>>
>> I always include both the internet library and TSNet when I need internet 
>> connections. Did you try using both?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On September 23, 2020 6:40:58 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> i have some problems with a stack which i update very often. The stack was 
>>> created 4 or 5 years ago, maybe even some more years ago. The gets regular 
>>> updates as my time allows.
>>>
>>> In Standalone Settings i have set the option to manually select inclusions. 
>>> I am working with LC 9.6.1, but tried also with 9.6.0 and 9.5.1 on Mac OS 
>>> 10.14.6
>>>
>>> 1. I've added some code to call a url using
>>> put URL "https:......" into tInfo
>>>
>>> This works in the IDE, but not in the standalone, although i have selected 
>>> INTERNET and SSL&Encryption to be included in the standalone
>>> In the standalone the URL is not fetched and tInfo always is empty. I tried 
>>> also with http:// instead of https:// but also without success.
>>> Tried with tsNet and without.
>>>
>>> Trying this with a new stack works w/o problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Trying to use the remote debugger, regardless if  in a "real" 
>>> standalone" or using the test button, does not work. The debugger is not 
>>> initiated, although i have set red breakpoints and even used the Breakpoint 
>>> keyword in the script and selected RemoteDebugger to be included in 
>>> Standalone Settings.
>>>
>>> Trying to use the Remote Debugger with a newer stack works w/o a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did anyone else ever ran into any of these problems with an older stack. Or 
>>> does anyone have an idea what might cause this?
>>>
>>> What i noticed is, that in the cRevGeneral Property Set of the stack there 
>>> is a property stackfileversion with a value of 5.5.
>>> But changing this or removing that property completely does not help either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Sep 24 17:49:09 2020
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 23:49:09 +0200
Subject: Some problems with an old stack that gets regular updates
In-Reply-To: <174c1fccba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <96D3D337-549D-4601-B12F-C7941CB533FD@m-r-d.de>
 <174c0e2ef60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <3DE9BBBA-03E5-4938-B361-F253F8F85A78@m-r-d.de>
 <174c1fccba0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
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> Am 24.09.2020 um 23:20 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> The ability to preserve the original stack file version is a setting in Preferences. I have that turned on too. You can either turn it off, or override it in the Save dialog by choosing a version from the pop up button at the bottom of the dialog.
> 
Here it was not turned on. I turned it on now.

> I also looked at system prefs when trying to resolve the problem to make sure LC was permitted to use internet or sockets or whatever Apple calls it, I can't remember exactly. That didn't fix it though.
> 
It works with newer stacks and their standalones, only the old stack shows this behaviour.

> Like you, I also asked on the list here but no one knew the answer. I know that's not much help.
> 
I will bother the Pro Support tomorrow. Let's see, if they can help.

Thanks again

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On September 24, 2020 2:28:21 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jacque,
>> 
>> thanks for your answer.
>> 
>> I tried 'Save As' already, but interestingly the value of the stackfileversion property  remains unchanged.
>> 
>> I've tried all variations. Including tsNet and Internet, only tsNet   and also just Internet after disabling  tsNet using
>> dispatch "revunloadlibrary" to stack tsnetliburl
>> 
>> Regarding the remote debugger... First i thought a protected substack (Zygodact register stack) would cause this. But even without the sub tack i do not get Remote Debugger working.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>> 
>>> Am 24.09.2020 um 18:12 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I haven't had the internet problem but I went a whole year once where I couldn't get remote debugging to work. I never did figure out why. Then it started to work again by itself. I never thought to check the stack file version. You could Save As with the latest LC version and see if that helps.
>>> 
>>> I always include both the internet library and TSNet when I need internet connections. Did you try using both?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On September 23, 2020 6:40:58 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> i have some problems with a stack which i update very often. The stack was created 4 or 5 years ago, maybe even some more years ago. The gets regular updates as my time allows.
>>>> 
>>>> In Standalone Settings i have set the option to manually select inclusions. I am working with LC 9.6.1, but tried also with 9.6.0 and 9.5.1 on Mac OS 10.14.6
>>>> 
>>>> 1. I've added some code to call a url using
>>>> put URL "https:......" into tInfo
>>>> 
>>>> This works in the IDE, but not in the standalone, although i have selected INTERNET and SSL&Encryption to be included in the standalone
>>>> In the standalone the URL is not fetched and tInfo always is empty. I tried also with http:// instead of https:// but also without success.
>>>> Tried with tsNet and without.
>>>> 
>>>> Trying this with a new stack works w/o problems.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Trying to use the remote debugger, regardless if  in a "real" standalone" or using the test button, does not work. The debugger is not initiated, although i have set red breakpoints and even used the Breakpoint keyword in the script and selected RemoteDebugger to be included in Standalone Settings.
>>>> 
>>>> Trying to use the Remote Debugger with a newer stack works w/o a problem.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Did anyone else ever ran into any of these problems with an older stack. Or does anyone have an idea what might cause this?
>>>> 
>>>> What i noticed is, that in the cRevGeneral Property Set of the stack there is a property stackfileversion with a value of 5.5.
>>>> But changing this or removing that property completely does not help either.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Sep 24 19:56:14 2020
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:56:14 -0400
Subject: Hacktoberfest is coming
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNNd2pik-ia4zFbmhtNHpkPkd=rZWvCx4Mio+VbWq84yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMQfCGfs0snkJx7gkXV4R=4rp0kCqo-DxHtzz=e4Z2YDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <129666f2-a908-627f-ca1d-77fa3bb9a755@fourthworld.com>
 <F4807448-8B80-4EAF-93F9-D5FBD0098C07@iotecdigital.com>
 <CADCoycNNd2pik-ia4zFbmhtNHpkPkd=rZWvCx4Mio+VbWq84yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOndjOYrvV4ou2Mo8+qoRjRuyHpQSqc4GjEJ7YUr2rsMg@mail.gmail.com>

It's almost here - Hacktoberfest 2020!
And now registration is open
https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
All you have to do is register, then make a total of four pull requests to
any public repo during the month of October.
Pull requests can be updating LiveCode's documentation, making a
contribution to any of the many liveCode related open source projects, or
for that matter, any open source project on GitHub
If you complete four pull requests, you will be able to choose to receive a
Hacktoberfest 2020 T-shirt or have event organizers plant a tree in your
name.
Read the blog post here :
https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/announcing-hacktoberfest-2020/
Get
To
HACKING



On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> it's yours until you get a cease and desist letter.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't
>> change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is
>> finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
>> >
>> > --
>> > Richard Gaskin
>> > Fourth World Systems
>>
>>
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>
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> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>


-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 04:10:00 2020
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:10:00 +0100
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GVQbCmbphcvaR6UP-+AQfW7zLJLjzstLZXmJudw17F1A@mail.gmail.com>

>>
So that in case (1) , we regenerate the file and in case (2) we present
a warning that the server is disconnected or down?
<<

For (2) you could save an empty file (as a flag of availability) and set
it's attribute to hidden.

If the file is not there when you get the files, then the folder is
unavailable.  Because it's a hidden file, users won't see it if they open
the folder using (most) other applications (Explorer only shows such files
if the 'show hidden' checkbox is ticked).

This file can then be filtered out based on file name when you get the
files of that folder to present to the user. It's just your internal check
for folder availability.  I guess there are some "net use" commands that
would show which shares are available/unavailable, but it's a long time
since I did that kind of system admin.

To programmatically set a file attribute to hidden on Windows use the shell
command to issue this "attrib +h _ServerAvailable.txt"

Hope that helps.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:54 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This question may have an obvious answer, but I am brain dead today, so
> here goes:
>
> I have a app installed with some customers in a Windows network
> environment. They have all their laptops set so that their Home
> directories are on a local network server.
>
> So, where as on a local laptop, specialFolderPath("documents") might
> return "C:/Users/<username>/Documents" as the path, for them
> specialFolderPath("documents") returns something like
> "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents"
>
> We save a number of folders and files in the user's Documents folder. In
> some cases, if the file is not present (i.e. if there is a file tFile is
> false) we regenerate the file from a default.
>
> Sometime, the server is offline or the user is disconnected from the
> network.
>
> What is a good way to differentiate between:
>
> 1) one of these files is not present so must be regenerated, i.e
>
> if there is not a file (specialFolderPath("documents")&slash&tFilename)
> then
>    -- regenerate the file tFile at location specialFolderPath("documents")
>
> Versus
>
> 2) The Server (//s1.somedomain.com/ is disconnected to down?
>
> So that in case (1) , we regenerate the file and in case (2) we present
> a warning that the server is disconnected or down?
>
> Mu gut says this should be simple, but I just can not wrap my brain
> around it today.
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Sep 25 14:42:59 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 13:42:59 -0500
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>

I know very little about Windows network addresses, but from the example you gave, I'd check to 
see if (slash-delimited) item 1 of the path is a single letter followed by a colon.

On 9/24/20 3:53 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> This question may have an obvious answer, but I am brain dead today, so here goes:
> 
> I have a app installed with some customers in a Windows network environment. They have all 
> their laptops set so that their Home directories are on a local network server.
> 
> So, where as on a local laptop, specialFolderPath("documents") might return 
> "C:/Users/<username>/Documents" as the path, for them specialFolderPath("documents") returns 
> something like "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents"
> 
> We save a number of folders and files in the user's Documents folder. In some cases, if the 
> file is not present (i.e. if there is a file tFile is false) we regenerate the file from a 
> default.
> 
> Sometime, the server is offline or the user is disconnected from the network.
> 
> What is a good way to differentiate between:
> 
> 1) one of these files is not present so must be regenerated, i.e
> 
> if there is not a file (specialFolderPath("documents")&slash&tFilename) then
>  ? -- regenerate the file tFile at location specialFolderPath("documents")
> 
> Versus
> 
> 2) The Server (//s1.somedomain.com/ is disconnected to down?
> 
> So that in case (1) , we regenerate the file and in case (2) we present a warning that the 
> server is disconnected or down?
> 
> Mu gut says this should be simple, but I just can not wrap my brain around it today.
> 
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-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Sep 25 15:13:36 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 15:13:36 -0400
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>

On 9/25/2020 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> I know very little about Windows network addresses, but from the 
> example you gave, I'd check to see if (slash-delimited) item 1 of the 
> path is a single letter followed by a colon.
>

Thanks for thought.

In a Windows server environment (i.e many corporation, government 
agencies, etc.), computer are often set so tat their specific "User" 
directories (Documents, Desktop, "Home", etc.) at on a server rather 
than local disk. So a path to a file called "somefile.txt" is a user's 
Documents folder looks like:

//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents/somefile.txt

The question is, if you execute the line of? LiveCode script:

if there is a file 
"//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents/somefile.txt" then
 ? -- true
else
 ? -- false
end if

In the "true" case, the file is there, which means the server and 
network are both accessible. Yea! proceed with whatever.

In the "false" case, you do not know whether the FILE is missing OR the 
NETWORK is disconnected or the SERVER is down.

It is in the "false" case that I am looking for approaches (if there are 
any) to tell the difference between
1) the file is missing
and
2) the network or server is down.

Bernard has a suggestion of keeping an invisible file. Being hidden, it 
is unlike that it could be removed by intent or accident and so, if the 
file I am looking for "somefile.txt" does not exists, I could test for 
the hidden file. If that exists, I know my file is missing and the 
server and network are still up. If the hidden file also does not 
exists, the server or network is "probably" down.

I could probably improve on Bernard's suggestion by testing for:

if there is a folder "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>" then
 ? -- the server is up
else
 ? -- the server or network is down OR or the user has been fired and 
their account delete!
end if

I was hoping someone out there had actually dealt with LiveCode working 
with files on a Windows network server and have a definite approach. 
Maybe testing for the user's folder is the definitive way OR the 
mountPoint folder may be even better?

-- Paul



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 17:22:28 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:22:28 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>

Have you tried opening the file then checking the result? 

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 9/25/2020 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I know very little about Windows network addresses, but from the example you gave, I'd check to see if (slash-delimited) item 1 of the path is a single letter followed by a colon.
>> 
> 
> Thanks for thought.
> 
> In a Windows server environment (i.e many corporation, government agencies, etc.), computer are often set so tat their specific "User" directories (Documents, Desktop, "Home", etc.) at on a server rather than local disk. So a path to a file called "somefile.txt" is a user's Documents folder looks like:
> 
> //s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents/somefile.txt
> 
> The question is, if you execute the line of  LiveCode script:
> 
> if there is a file "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents/somefile.txt" then
>   -- true
> else
>   -- false
> end if
> 
> In the "true" case, the file is there, which means the server and network are both accessible. Yea! proceed with whatever.
> 
> In the "false" case, you do not know whether the FILE is missing OR the NETWORK is disconnected or the SERVER is down.
> 
> It is in the "false" case that I am looking for approaches (if there are any) to tell the difference between
> 1) the file is missing
> and
> 2) the network or server is down.
> 
> Bernard has a suggestion of keeping an invisible file. Being hidden, it is unlike that it could be removed by intent or accident and so, if the file I am looking for "somefile.txt" does not exists, I could test for the hidden file. If that exists, I know my file is missing and the server and network are still up. If the hidden file also does not exists, the server or network is "probably" down.
> 
> I could probably improve on Bernard's suggestion by testing for:
> 
> if there is a folder "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>" then
>   -- the server is up
> else
>   -- the server or network is down OR or the user has been fired and their account delete!
> end if
> 
> I was hoping someone out there had actually dealt with LiveCode working with files on a Windows network server and have a definite approach. Maybe testing for the user's folder is the definitive way OR the mountPoint folder may be even better?
> 
> -- Paul
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 17:28:40 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:28:40 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>

OK using your convention I cannot even open a file with the server mounted and an actual file that DOES exist! (//servername/mountpoint/pathtofile/filename)

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried opening the file then checking the result? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 9/25/2020 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I know very little about Windows network addresses, but from the example you gave, I'd check to see if (slash-delimited) item 1 of the path is a single letter followed by a colon.
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for thought.
>> 
>> In a Windows server environment (i.e many corporation, government agencies, etc.), computer are often set so tat their specific "User" directories (Documents, Desktop, "Home", etc.) at on a server rather than local disk. So a path to a file called "somefile.txt" is a user's Documents folder looks like:
>> 
>> //s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents/somefile.txt
>> 
>> The question is, if you execute the line of  LiveCode script:
>> 
>> if there is a file "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>/Documents/somefile.txt" then
>>  -- true
>> else
>>  -- false
>> end if
>> 
>> In the "true" case, the file is there, which means the server and network are both accessible. Yea! proceed with whatever.
>> 
>> In the "false" case, you do not know whether the FILE is missing OR the NETWORK is disconnected or the SERVER is down.
>> 
>> It is in the "false" case that I am looking for approaches (if there are any) to tell the difference between
>> 1) the file is missing
>> and
>> 2) the network or server is down.
>> 
>> Bernard has a suggestion of keeping an invisible file. Being hidden, it is unlike that it could be removed by intent or accident and so, if the file I am looking for "somefile.txt" does not exists, I could test for the hidden file. If that exists, I know my file is missing and the server and network are still up. If the hidden file also does not exists, the server or network is "probably" down.
>> 
>> I could probably improve on Bernard's suggestion by testing for:
>> 
>> if there is a folder "//s1.somedomain.com/mountPoint/<username>" then
>>  -- the server is up
>> else
>>  -- the server or network is down OR or the user has been fired and their account delete!
>> end if
>> 
>> I was hoping someone out there had actually dealt with LiveCode working with files on a Windows network server and have a definite approach. Maybe testing for the user's folder is the definitive way OR the mountPoint folder may be even better?
>> 
>> -- Paul
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 18:12:58 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 22:12:58 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>

QUALIFIER: this is in Livecode on a Mac. Mac mount points work differently than Windows. However using the form /volumes/mountpoint/folderpath/filename I get the simple error ?Can?t open that file.? No detail about WHY I cannot open it. I can see how it would be helpful if the result contained ?path not accessible?, ?write access denied?, ?file already exists? etc.

Bob S


On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

OK using your convention I cannot even open a file with the server mounted and an actual file that DOES exist! (//servername/mountpoint/pathtofile/filename)

Bob S


From paul at researchware.com  Fri Sep 25 18:24:05 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 18:24:05 -0400
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>

Thanks Bob,

Yes, the error messages you get on a failed file open are pretty generic.

I am thinking that whether Mac or Win, the key is to check for whether 
there is a folder:

/volumes/mountpoint/ (osx)
or
//server/mountpoint/ (win)

For a given path tPath, I can tell if it is a windows server bu looking 
at the 1st two characters of tPath and if they are // then I can try t 
pull off //server/mountpoint and test for a folder by that name exists.

However, on OSX,

/volumes/mountpoint/ looks just like any local path.


On 9/25/2020 6:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> QUALIFIER: this is in Livecode on a Mac. Mac mount points work differently than Windows. However using the form /volumes/mountpoint/folderpath/filename I get the simple error ?Can?t open that file.? No detail about WHY I cannot open it. I can see how it would be helpful if the result contained ?path not accessible?, ?write access denied?, ?file already exists? etc.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> OK using your convention I cannot even open a file with the server mounted and an actual file that DOES exist! (//servername/mountpoint/pathtofile/filename)
>
> Bob S
>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Sep 25 18:56:49 2020
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 18:56:49 -0400
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
 <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>

On my Mac this form works to a Win 10 smb share

put url ("file://volumes/shareName/folder/sub-folder/file.ext")

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:24 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Paul Dupuis
Subject: Re: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?

Thanks Bob,

Yes, the error messages you get on a failed file open are pretty generic.

I am thinking that whether Mac or Win, the key is to check for whether there is a folder:

/volumes/mountpoint/ (osx)
or
//server/mountpoint/ (win)

For a given path tPath, I can tell if it is a windows server bu looking at the 1st two characters of tPath and if they are // then I can try t pull off //server/mountpoint and test for a folder by that name exists.

However, on OSX,

/volumes/mountpoint/ looks just like any local path.


On 9/25/2020 6:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> QUALIFIER: this is in Livecode on a Mac. Mac mount points work differently than Windows. However using the form /volumes/mountpoint/folderpath/filename I get the simple error ?Can?t open that file.? No detail about WHY I cannot open it. I can see how it would be helpful if the result contained ?path not accessible?, ?write access denied?, ?file already exists? etc.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>
> OK using your convention I cannot even open a file with the server 
> mounted and an actual file that DOES exist! 
> (//servername/mountpoint/pathtofile/filename)
>
> Bob S
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 19:18:08 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 23:18:08 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
 <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
 <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>
Message-ID: <3868379B-7287-4000-A226-C632F8A05322@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately, if it fails no error is generated, and nothing is in the result or the it variable.

Bob SW


On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

On my Mac this form works to a Win 10 smb share

put url ("file://volumes/shareName/folder/sub-folder/file.ext")

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net<mailto:rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 19:20:37 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 23:20:37 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <3868379B-7287-4000-A226-C632F8A05322@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
 <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
 <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>
 <3868379B-7287-4000-A226-C632F8A05322@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4935579D-8EE8-4E74-99D9-BC72227FA904@iotecdigital.com>

Even worse, if the mount point is mounted it does not create the file. 

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, if it fails no error is generated, and nothing is in the result or the it variable.
> 
> Bob SW
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> On my Mac this form works to a Win 10 smb share
> 
> put url ("file://volumes/shareName/folder/sub-folder/file.ext")
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net<mailto:rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 19:21:41 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 23:21:41 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <4935579D-8EE8-4E74-99D9-BC72227FA904@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
 <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
 <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>
 <3868379B-7287-4000-A226-C632F8A05322@iotecdigital.com>
 <4935579D-8EE8-4E74-99D9-BC72227FA904@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <7B137249-6062-42BC-B1BF-7FE6B9808652@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm. Neither does open file for read?

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Even worse, if the mount point is mounted it does not create the file. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, if it fails no error is generated, and nothing is in the result or the it variable.
>> 
>> Bob SW
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On my Mac this form works to a Win 10 smb share
>> 
>> put url ("file://volumes/shareName/folder/sub-folder/file.ext")
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net<mailto:rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Sep 25 19:26:07 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 23:26:07 +0000
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <7B137249-6062-42BC-B1BF-7FE6B9808652@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
 <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
 <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>
 <3868379B-7287-4000-A226-C632F8A05322@iotecdigital.com>
 <4935579D-8EE8-4E74-99D9-BC72227FA904@iotecdigital.com>
 <7B137249-6062-42BC-B1BF-7FE6B9808652@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <DA65F684-E10E-47AA-A334-44FFDB5B2067@iotecdigital.com>

After a little experimenting it appears that open file does not create a new file on OS X mount points! I can open a file that already exists but it will not create a new file. You learn something new every day! 

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm. Neither does open file for read?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Even worse, if the mount point is mounted it does not create the file. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, if it fails no error is generated, and nothing is in the result or the it variable.
>>> 
>>> Bob SW
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On my Mac this form works to a Win 10 smb share
>>> 
>>> put url ("file://volumes/shareName/folder/sub-folder/file.ext")
>>> 
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net<mailto:rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Fri Sep 25 19:39:56 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:39:56 -0400
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <DA65F684-E10E-47AA-A334-44FFDB5B2067@iotecdigital.com>
References: <87038a48-9315-4b4a-a38b-3c28462e1e04@researchware.com>
 <bb40a448-9af6-c655-837e-6a4641a7df89@hyperactivesw.com>
 <db56ef4a-13be-e1a2-4649-54fdb327c79d@researchware.com>
 <72EB305A-6FD9-4A04-9393-2B0BFB953F95@iotecdigital.com>
 <796A66DB-BB4B-4569-A3B7-F7DF493E036A@iotecdigital.com>
 <1AED4D5E-EA16-4371-9C4A-7F48AEF9836C@iotecdigital.com>
 <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
 <003d01d6938f$29dc7b10$7d957130$@net>
 <3868379B-7287-4000-A226-C632F8A05322@iotecdigital.com>
 <4935579D-8EE8-4E74-99D9-BC72227FA904@iotecdigital.com>
 <7B137249-6062-42BC-B1BF-7FE6B9808652@iotecdigital.com>
 <DA65F684-E10E-47AA-A334-44FFDB5B2067@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <aeabfa79-954f-ef75-323a-40a0a62db27d@researchware.com>

Well, at least you have a server to test it on. Thank you.

I am trying to resurrect a Windows 2003 Server VM and a Windows 7 VM 
configured to have it's home directory on the server. I just got both to 
run (finally) yesterday and just (at the end of teh day today) figured 
out what the admin password was to the 2003 server.

Maybe by sometime next week, I'll be able to test some code.


On 9/25/2020 7:26 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> After a little experimenting it appears that open file does not create a new file on OS X mount points! I can open a file that already exists but it will not create a new file. You learn something new every day!
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. Neither does open file for read?
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Even worse, if the mount point is mounted it does not create the file.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, if it fails no error is generated, and nothing is in the result or the it variable.
>>>>
>>>> Bob SW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On my Mac this form works to a Win 10 smb share
>>>>
>>>> put url ("file://volumes/shareName/folder/sub-folder/file.ext")
>>>>
>>>> Ralph DiMola
>>>> IT Director
>>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net<mailto:rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Sep 25 20:38:13 2020
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 17:38:13 -0700
Subject: Accessing files on a local network file server - BEST PRACTICE?
In-Reply-To: <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
References: <a0e5e686-1a17-5d12-5844-29f4abe569c9@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <af960e16-a245-680d-fac4-789f2227b841@fourthworld.com>

The shell command "net use" should return a list of currently available 
network volumes.

In LC:

   put shell("net use")


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Sep 26 01:40:22 2020
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 22:40:22 -0700
Subject: included inclusions
Message-ID: <78CF53DA-DA3B-4FE7-9F64-195C467CCAB8@elementarysoftware.com>

If I have an inclusion selected in the standalone builder that only targets one operating system? and then build for an OS that can't use that inclusion, is the inclusion left out of the build or might it just be taking up space. Or does it depend on the specific inclusion as to how this is handled?

--
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       https://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
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From jeejeestudio at gmail.com  Sat Sep 26 05:07:01 2020
From: jeejeestudio at gmail.com (JeeJeeStudio)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:07:01 +0200
Subject: Samsung Galaxy skins for Android Studio
Message-ID: <CAEqiJnkjL+C-LKoTPZyNTAGPvyVEWUWO9qf-AyphvAN=iQi1QA@mail.gmail.com>

Here you can find Samsung Galaxy skins which you can use in Android Studio,
so you can see how it looks on the real device.:
https://developer.samsung.com/galaxy-emulator-skin/overview.html

it's free to use as far as i could see.


From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Sep 26 10:04:26 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 14:04:26 +0000
Subject: I Have a Problem With a Plug-In
Message-ID: <19130A00-1C97-442F-96DC-37C80EDFE324@hindu.org>

I have? CollectMyStacks.rev, close itself after opens the card

on opencard
     send "mouseUp" to button  "Position IDE" in  1 seconds
     close this stack
end opencard

Now, this was a bad idea. How to get the message 

     close this stack

how to delete that?

set the lockMessages to true

it has no affect.

BR


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep 26 13:41:02 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:41:02 -0500
Subject: I Have a Problem With a Plug-In
In-Reply-To: <19130A00-1C97-442F-96DC-37C80EDFE324@hindu.org>
References: <19130A00-1C97-442F-96DC-37C80EDFE324@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <174cb80fbb0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Click the Messages icon in the toolbar. That will prevent the handler from 
running when the stack opens and you can delete the line in the script.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 26, 2020 9:06:33 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via 
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have? CollectMyStacks.rev, close itself after opens the card
>
> on opencard
>     send "mouseUp" to button  "Position IDE" in  1 seconds
>     close this stack
> end opencard
>
> Now, this was a bad idea. How to get the message
>
>     close this stack
>
> how to delete that?
>
> set the lockMessages to true
>
> it has no affect.
>
> BR
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Sep 26 23:18:43 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:18:43 -0500
Subject: Converting from unicode to ASCII
In-Reply-To: <174c117ab60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7EC786E8-56E9-40D7-9220-1D344E26953F@iotecdigital.com>
 <0901dcaa-4c72-5684-d70a-c5aabb9e5383@fourthworld.com>
 <b308ec06-177e-7f96-3e03-18a5ec0dbc64@hyperactivesw.com>
 <565BA745-94A4-406E-9E61-16B12B88E8E3@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <174c0e4eb30.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
 <E6C1A1D9-80E2-4E8D-B939-D4A775B1CD99@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <53259254-CDC8-46C7-A2F5-D7181735417B@lacscentre.co.uk>
 <82b5c3c9-6df3-7df9-f90f-a839076e454b@tweedly.net>
 <174c117ab60.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <c3d9fe00-f8d0-66f0-0c23-0d88b0c53016@hyperactivesw.com>

On 9/24/20 12:09 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> My original goal was to get the canonical version directly from LC somehow.

Neville Smythe contacted me privately with this brilliant solution, posted here with his consent:

function stripAccents pInput
   local tDecomposed
   local tStripped

   replace "'" with space in pInput -- illegal in sql queries, (my requirement)

   -- Separate the accents from the base letters
   put normalizeText(pInput, "NFD") into tDecomposed
   repeat for each codepoint c in tDecomposed
     -- Copy everything but the accent marks
     if c="?" then put "AE" after tStripped
     else if c="?" then put "OE" after tStripped
     else if codepointProperty(c, "Diacritic") is false then
       put c after tStripped
     end if
   end repeat
   return tStripped
end stripAccents

This works great for my needs and is exactly what I was looking for. I had no idea we had a 
codepointProperty function, which makes this all possible.

This will work for most European Latin alphabets with a few exceptions. Neville found that 
German, Polish and Dutch may not be completely compatible, there may be some others. There is a 
list of special characters that may need specific replacements here:

<https://maximilian.schalch.de/2018/05/complete-list-of-european-special-characters/>

For now I only need French, so I can probably omit the specific replacements. Maybe Neville 
will chime in if I've left out anything, he's done quite a bit of research into the problem.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Sun Sep 27 04:52:36 2020
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:52:36 +0100
Subject: I Have a Problem With a Plug-In
Message-ID: <000601d694ab$8d4bc580$a7e35080$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Assuming your openCard handler is in the script of card 1, from the message
box...

edit the script of cd 1 of stack " CollectMyStacks.rev"

Hugh Senior


> I have? CollectMyStacks.rev, close itself after opens the card
> 
> on opencard
>      send "mouseUp" to button  "Position IDE" in  1 seconds
>      close this stack
> end opencard
> 
> Now, this was a bad idea. How to get the message
> 
>      close this stack
> 
> how to delete that?
> 
> set the lockMessages to true
> 
> it has no affect.
> 
> BR




From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Sep 27 08:23:25 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:23:25 +0000
Subject: I Have a Problem With a Plug-In
In-Reply-To: <174cb80fbb0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <19130A00-1C97-442F-96DC-37C80EDFE324@hindu.org>
 <174cb80fbb0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <17FB59B7-0047-42D8-99DE-7A300BB68FD7@hindu.org>

That did it!

? J. Landman Gay wrote:

    Click the Messages icon in the toolbar. That will prevent the handler from 
    running when the stack opens and you can delete the line in the script.


From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Sep 27 21:47:35 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 01:47:35 +0000
Subject: Problem an Repeat Loop
Message-ID: <ADD636EE-7635-4F13-B37B-F96EBED32E88@hindu.org>

# for development
 local tPath
 repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount
 	put line x of sImageList into tPath
 	go to card x
	 set the filename of sStoryImage to tPath
	 set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
 	put item x of sQuoteList into fld ?mainText?
 end repeat

# I get a full line 

stack ?makeStoryFromDisk?: execution error at line 68 (Chunk: error in object expression), char 1

It is exactly the same as in input for behavior_story except that
do not work a repeat loop?

BR


From tore.nilsen at me.com  Mon Sep 28 01:49:15 2020
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:49:15 +0200
Subject: Problem an Repeat Loop
In-Reply-To: <ADD636EE-7635-4F13-B37B-F96EBED32E88@hindu.org>
References: <ADD636EE-7635-4F13-B37B-F96EBED32E88@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <855E717E-2727-40EC-96F1-9150E270030E@me.com>

You do not refer to any object type when you try to set the fileName of what should possibly be an image. 

Try this:
Set the fileName of image sStoryImage to tPath

Best regards 
Tore Nilsen

> 28. sep. 2020 kl. 03:47 skrev Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> # for development
> local tPath
> repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount
> 	put line x of sImageList into tPath
> 	go to card x
> 	 set the filename of sStoryImage to tPath
> 	 set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
> 	put item x of sQuoteList into fld ?mainText?
> end repeat
> 
> # I get a full line 
> 
> stack ?makeStoryFromDisk?: execution error at line 68 (Chunk: error in object expression), char 1
> 
> It is exactly the same as in input for behavior_story except that
> do not work a repeat loop?
> 
> BR
> 
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Sep 28 04:44:06 2020
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:44:06 +0200
Subject: Has anyone published an iPhone app that works on iOS 14?
Message-ID: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>

Sorry if this has been asked before, but a quick search of the list didn?t reveal anything, and I have only been semi-lurking lately.

The subject says it all. At this point I don?t know if I can create an app in LC that runs reliably with iOS 14. I know there have been high volume grumbles from some non-LC developers that they weren?t ready when Apple started the rollout of 14 earlier than expected, but I don?t know the substance of the complaints.

Anyone just sailing along with no problems? I ask because I?m about to revive an earlier app project and don?t want to crash and burn the moment I restart.

Graham


From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep 28 08:42:05 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:42:05 +0000
Subject: Problem an Repeat Loop
In-Reply-To: <855E717E-2727-40EC-96F1-9150E270030E@me.com>
References: <ADD636EE-7635-4F13-B37B-F96EBED32E88@hindu.org>
 <855E717E-2727-40EC-96F1-9150E270030E@me.com>
Message-ID: <54E1D39E-8FBC-44E3-80B8-A8D0C4D7F36E@hindu.org>

I use the long name of the image

local sStoryImage
 put the long id of img "slideImage" into sStoryImage

still:

     # for development
     local tPath
     repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount

     	put line x of sImageList into tPath
    	go to card x
    	 set the filename of sStoryImage to tPath
    	 set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
     	put item x of sQuoteList into fld ?mainText?
     end repeat
    
     # I get a full line 
     
     stack ?makeStoryFromDisk?: execution error at line 68 (Chunk: error in object expression), char 1
     
     It is exactly the same as in input for behavior_story except that
     do not work a repeat loop?
     
    
? Tore Nilsen wrote:

    You do not refer to any object type when you try to set the fileName of what should possibly be an image. 

    Try this:
    Set the fileName of image sStoryImage to tPath

    Best regards 
    Tore Nilsen

    


From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep 28 09:02:08 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 13:02:08 +0000
Subject: How to delete cards but card 1
Message-ID: <1A9469EA-B55C-4BDA-937E-0F7244B038BD@hindu.org>

repeat forever
      go last card 
      delete this card
   end repeat

I have tried everything in the manual 

??
BR


From paul at researchware.com  Mon Sep 28 09:24:46 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:24:46 -0400
Subject: How to delete cards but card 1
In-Reply-To: <1A9469EA-B55C-4BDA-937E-0F7244B038BD@hindu.org>
References: <1A9469EA-B55C-4BDA-937E-0F7244B038BD@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <af9d3859-8fb3-9270-735f-318cff7b094c@researchware.com>

repeat with i = the number of cards down to 2
 ? delete card i
end repeat

On 9/28/2020 9:02 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> repeat forever
>        go last card
>        delete this card
>     end repeat
>
> I have tried everything in the manual
>
> ??
> BR
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Sep 28 09:34:23 2020
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:34:23 -0400
Subject: Problem an Repeat Loop
In-Reply-To: <54E1D39E-8FBC-44E3-80B8-A8D0C4D7F36E@hindu.org>
References: <ADD636EE-7635-4F13-B37B-F96EBED32E88@hindu.org>
 <855E717E-2727-40EC-96F1-9150E270030E@me.com>
 <54E1D39E-8FBC-44E3-80B8-A8D0C4D7F36E@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f6dde32d-a2e3-f3cb-d859-520aacd5b58a@researchware.com>

On 9/28/2020 8:42 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
>       repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount
>
>       	put line x of sImageList into tPath
>      	go to card x
>      	 set the filename of sStoryImage to tPath
>      	 set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
>       	put item x of sQuoteList into fld ?mainText?
>       end repeat

something like this? It might be easier to help if you explained what 
you are trying to do. Have all the cards in this stack been created 
already? i.e. do you have sTotalSceneCount cards? Does each card contain 
a field called "mainText" and an image called "slideImage"?

set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount
    set the filename of img "slideImage" of card x to line x of sImageList
    set the text of fld "mainText" of card x to item x of of sQuoteList
end repeat




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Sep 28 09:44:12 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:44:12 -0400
Subject: Problem an Repeat Loop
In-Reply-To: <54E1D39E-8FBC-44E3-80B8-A8D0C4D7F36E@hindu.org>
References: <54E1D39E-8FBC-44E3-80B8-A8D0C4D7F36E@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <ED6ED3BE-5A35-40E6-BCED-2DC8C7AF9A18@milby7.com>

The long ID of the image will be different for each card, so this loop won?t work as expected.

Also, do you really need to go to the card?  You probably could build the object reference to include the card.  So you would use:

image ?slideImage? of cd x
fld ?mainText? of cd x

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I use the long name of the image
> 
> local sStoryImage
> put the long id of img "slideImage" into sStoryImage
> 
> still:
> 
>     # for development
>     local tPath
>     repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount
> 
>         put line x of sImageList into tPath
>        go to card x
>         set the filename of sStoryImage to tPath
>         set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
>         put item x of sQuoteList into fld ?mainText?
>     end repeat
> 
>     # I get a full line 
> 
>     stack ?makeStoryFromDisk?: execution error at line 68 (Chunk: error in object expression), char 1
> 
>     It is exactly the same as in input for behavior_story except that
>     do not work a repeat loop?
> 
> 
> ? Tore Nilsen wrote:
> 
>    You do not refer to any object type when you try to set the fileName of what should possibly be an image. 
> 
>    Try this:
>    Set the fileName of image sStoryImage to tPath
> 
>    Best regards 
>    Tore Nilsen
> 
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Sep 28 10:36:11 2020
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:36:11 -0400
Subject: Has anyone published an iPhone app that works on iOS 14?
In-Reply-To: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>
References: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CBF8630A-B701-4674-AE20-529034F36F18@milby7.com>

There are a few apps that I?ve worked on in the store that still work in iOS 14.  Siva Siva is one that you can install and test.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:45 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Sorry if this has been asked before, but a quick search of the list didn?t reveal anything, and I have only been semi-lurking lately.
> 
> The subject says it all. At this point I don?t know if I can create an app in LC that runs reliably with iOS 14. I know there have been high volume grumbles from some non-LC developers that they weren?t ready when Apple started the rollout of 14 earlier than expected, but I don?t know the substance of the complaints.
> 
> Anyone just sailing along with no problems? I ask because I?m about to revive an earlier app project and don?t want to crash and burn the moment I restart.
> 
> Graham
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Sep 28 13:27:29 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:27:29 -0500
Subject: Has anyone published an iPhone app that works on iOS 14?
In-Reply-To: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>
References: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>
Message-ID: <174d5c14800.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I have two iOS apps in the app store and they both run fine on iOS 14.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 28, 2020 3:46:13 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sorry if this has been asked before, but a quick search of the list didn?t 
> reveal anything, and I have only been semi-lurking lately.
>
> The subject says it all. At this point I don?t know if I can create an app 
> in LC that runs reliably with iOS 14. I know there have been high volume 
> grumbles from some non-LC developers that they weren?t ready when Apple 
> started the rollout of 14 earlier than expected, but I don?t know the 
> substance of the complaints.
>
> Anyone just sailing along with no problems? I ask because I?m about to 
> revive an earlier app project and don?t want to crash and burn the moment I 
> restart.
>
> Graham
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From paul at livecode.org  Mon Sep 28 14:13:34 2020
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:13:34 -0700
Subject: Has anyone published an iPhone app that works on iOS 14?
In-Reply-To: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>
References: <0D01CF1C-2403-4A97-949B-54A06360A879@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2E545E64-F299-46BA-8E62-B1E1AB443E47@livecode.org>

I?ve just recently upgraded my iPhone and so ended up using iOS14, initially some apps that I had previously installed on my older iPhone would?t install on the new phone, most of them are quite old, so I rebuilt them using LC9.6.0 and Xcode 11.4. The first time I launched them they all worked fine on first launch, but none of them would launch for a second time, however, when I rebuilt them again using LC9.6.1 and Xcode 11.5 they all work fine.

These are all apps that I have built for my own use and are not published through the app store.

Paul

> On 28Sep, 2020, at 01:44, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry if this has been asked before, but a quick search of the list didn?t reveal anything, and I have only been semi-lurking lately.
> 
> The subject says it all. At this point I don?t know if I can create an app in LC that runs reliably with iOS 14. I know there have been high volume grumbles from some non-LC developers that they weren?t ready when Apple started the rollout of 14 earlier than expected, but I don?t know the substance of the complaints.
> 
> Anyone just sailing along with no problems? I ask because I?m about to revive an earlier app project and don?t want to crash and burn the moment I restart.
> 
> Graham
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Sep 28 16:20:38 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 20:20:38 +0000
Subject: included inclusions
In-Reply-To: <78CF53DA-DA3B-4FE7-9F64-195C467CCAB8@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <78CF53DA-DA3B-4FE7-9F64-195C467CCAB8@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <6BFB4F13-7DC8-4A88-9ACA-344EA06F1951@iotecdigital.com>

If you manually select an inclusion that api is included in the project. I think the whole point of manual inclusions is to bypass what the engine thinks it ought to include. 

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:40 PM, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If I have an inclusion selected in the standalone builder that only targets one operating system? and then build for an OS that can't use that inclusion, is the inclusion left out of the build or might it just be taking up space. Or does it depend on the specific inclusion as to how this is handled?
> 
> --
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Sep 28 16:22:02 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 20:22:02 +0000
Subject: I Have a Problem With a Plug-In
In-Reply-To: <000601d694ab$8d4bc580$a7e35080$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <000601d694ab$8d4bc580$a7e35080$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <A88E865C-EE17-41D7-84CC-2CE4E9945554@iotecdigital.com>

Before launching your stack, select Suppress Messages from the Development menu. 

Bob S


> On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:52 AM, FlexibleLearning.com via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Assuming your openCard handler is in the script of card 1, from the message
> box...
> 
> edit the script of cd 1 of stack " CollectMyStacks.rev"
> 
> Hugh Senior
> 
> 
>> I have? CollectMyStacks.rev, close itself after opens the card
>> 
>> on opencard
>>     send "mouseUp" to button  "Position IDE" in  1 seconds
>>     close this stack
>> end opencard
>> 
>> Now, this was a bad idea. How to get the message
>> 
>>     close this stack
>> 
>> how to delete that?
>> 
>> set the lockMessages to true
>> 
>> it has no affect.
>> 
>> BR
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Sep 28 16:26:30 2020
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 20:26:30 +0000
Subject: How to delete cards but card 1
In-Reply-To: <1A9469EA-B55C-4BDA-937E-0F7244B038BD@hindu.org>
References: <1A9469EA-B55C-4BDA-937E-0F7244B038BD@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <88A9AEDB-0788-4B4B-97CE-CD73FC75B82D@iotecdigital.com>

You cannot delete a card that contains a running script unless you send in time. If you delete the last card of a stack if will create a new card as otherwise there would be no stack. So this script it seems would run forever. 

Bob S


> On Sep 28, 2020, at 6:02 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> repeat forever
>      go last card 
>      delete this card
>   end repeat
> 
> I have tried everything in the manual 
> 
> ??
> BR
> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep 28 23:04:21 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 03:04:21 +0000
Subject: How to delete cards but card 1
In-Reply-To: <af9d3859-8fb3-9270-735f-318cff7b094c@researchware.com>
References: <1A9469EA-B55C-4BDA-937E-0F7244B038BD@hindu.org>
 <af9d3859-8fb3-9270-735f-318cff7b094c@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <9FF39DBA-537C-4E9D-AC9C-CB1EDF71A9B1@hindu.org>

You did it!
Yay!
BR

Paul Dupuis wrote:

    repeat with i = the number of cards down to 2
      delete card i
    end repeat


From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Sep 28 23:16:08 2020
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 03:16:08 +0000
Subject: Problem an Repeat Loop
In-Reply-To: <ED6ED3BE-5A35-40E6-BCED-2DC8C7AF9A18@milby7.com>
References: <54E1D39E-8FBC-44E3-80B8-A8D0C4D7F36E@hindu.org>
 <ED6ED3BE-5A35-40E6-BCED-2DC8C7AF9A18@milby7.com>
Message-ID: <B8FC66D8-0AA3-4075-A413-BA18E3328294@hindu.org>

Yes! I was thinking of a one card, Sheesh....
It all worked!

Paul Dupuis wrote:

    set the itemDelimiter to ?|?
    repeat with x = 2 to sTotalSceneCount
        set the filename of img "slideImage" of card x to line x of sImageList
        set the text of fld "mainText" of card x to item x of of sQuoteList
    end repeat

? Brian Milby wrote:

    image ?slideImage? of cd x
    fld ?mainText? of cd x


From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 29 16:46:47 2020
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:46:47 +0200
Subject: iOS app erratically freezing up when loading audio files
Message-ID: <8032B5D5-0DF5-46AC-B430-DED04EA80DEE@gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I really need your help now. I?m developing a simple app for a client, to be run on iPads in an exhibition starting 8th Oct. It consists of two cards: 
a gallery card, with 16 photos
a profile card which you go to by clicking a photo on the gallery card

On the profile card this is loaded:
the photo again, larger
a short text in a field
an audio file (mp3), which starts playing

All resources are included in file folders with the app, no internet needed. The audio files are central to the app. They are recordings of people on Guernsey speaking Guernesiais, and sizes range from 1.6Mb to 2.6Mb.

In iOS a player is created with mobileControlCreate, and the audio controller is visible, so the user can pause, fast fwd etc. 

The app design and coding is done and it works perfectly in the IDE, as Mac standalone (with standard player) and in the iOS simulator (iOS 13.3). 

It works on the client?s iPads too (iOS 13.6), but irregularly freezes (rarely crashes), preventing further interaction until the app is killed and restarted. The freeze occurs at (or during)  
?mobileControlSet "voicePlayer", "filename", sAudioPath?

In the simulator I get a crash (app quits) if I don?t put ?wait 20 ticks with messages? after setting the file path, but never a freeze. I?ve tried to give the audio loading a full second wait, in case iPads are slower than simulator, and it prevents crash but not the random freezing.

The iPad user can sometimes load the same profile (or different ones, we see no pattern) 30-40 times before freeze occurs, sometimes just 3. So it doesn?t seem to have anything to do with cache build-up or so. 

So, has anyone experienced similar problems with playing mp3 files on iOS?
Any obvious pitfalls? 

The frustrating thing is that I cannot reproduce the problem in simulator (it works perfectly there), and have no iPad myself to hook up for Remote debugging. So I have to try various solutions, then upload a new build to TestFlight and wait for the client?s ?Sorry, it?s still freezing randomly??

Help!

Hopeful greetings,
Andreas 
WhenInSpace



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Sep 30 01:15:48 2020
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 00:15:48 -0500
Subject: iOS app erratically freezing up when loading audio files
In-Reply-To: <8032B5D5-0DF5-46AC-B430-DED04EA80DEE@gmail.com>
References: <8032B5D5-0DF5-46AC-B430-DED04EA80DEE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <174dd7023a0.27a5.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Some video problems can be solved by setting the filename of the player to 
empty, waiting a few milliseconds, and then setting the new filename. I'm 
not sure it will work in this case but it's worth a try.

Also, if you aren't using the latest version of LC, try that.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 29, 2020 3:48:55 PM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I really need your help now. I?m developing a simple app for a client, to 
> be run on iPads in an exhibition starting 8th Oct. It consists of two cards:
> a gallery card, with 16 photos
> a profile card which you go to by clicking a photo on the gallery card
>
> On the profile card this is loaded:
> the photo again, larger
> a short text in a field
> an audio file (mp3), which starts playing
>
> All resources are included in file folders with the app, no internet 
> needed. The audio files are central to the app. They are recordings of 
> people on Guernsey speaking Guernesiais, and sizes range from 1.6Mb to 2.6Mb.
>
> In iOS a player is created with mobileControlCreate, and the audio 
> controller is visible, so the user can pause, fast fwd etc.
>
> The app design and coding is done and it works perfectly in the IDE, as Mac 
> standalone (with standard player) and in the iOS simulator (iOS 13.3).
>
> It works on the client?s iPads too (iOS 13.6), but irregularly freezes 
> (rarely crashes), preventing further interaction until the app is killed 
> and restarted. The freeze occurs at (or during)
> ?mobileControlSet "voicePlayer", "filename", sAudioPath?
>
> In the simulator I get a crash (app quits) if I don?t put ?wait 20 ticks 
> with messages? after setting the file path, but never a freeze. I?ve tried 
> to give the audio loading a full second wait, in case iPads are slower than 
> simulator, and it prevents crash but not the random freezing.
>
> The iPad user can sometimes load the same profile (or different ones, we 
> see no pattern) 30-40 times before freeze occurs, sometimes just 3. So it 
> doesn?t seem to have anything to do with cache build-up or so.
>
> So, has anyone experienced similar problems with playing mp3 files on iOS?
> Any obvious pitfalls?
>
> The frustrating thing is that I cannot reproduce the problem in simulator 
> (it works perfectly there), and have no iPad myself to hook up for Remote 
> debugging. So I have to try various solutions, then upload a new build to 
> TestFlight and wait for the client?s ?Sorry, it?s still freezing randomly??
>
> Help!
>
> Hopeful greetings,
> Andreas
> WhenInSpace
>
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From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 02:38:54 2020
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:38:54 +0200
Subject: iOS app erratically freezing up when loading audio files
Message-ID: <08F9275D-9B23-4286-A52B-A9A00F3F0E53@gmail.com>

Thanks Jacqueline, I?ll try that!

I use LC business 9.6.1 stable, Xcode 11.3.1

????????????
J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=use-livecode at lists.runrev.com&q=from:%22J.+Landman+Gay+via+use%5C-livecode%22> Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:17:57 -0700 <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=use-livecode at lists.runrev.com&q=date:20200929>
Some video problems can be solved by setting the filename of the player to empty, waiting a few milliseconds, and then setting the new filename. I'm not sure it will work in this case but it's worth a try.
Also, if you aren't using the latest version of LC, try that.

From andreas.bergendal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 03:30:18 2020
From: andreas.bergendal at gmail.com (Andreas Bergendal)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 09:30:18 +0200
Subject: iOS app erratically freezing up when loading audio files
Message-ID: <6B8D96D3-16D8-49C4-B70A-66D75A866DB9@gmail.com>

Unfortunately, it didn?t work. It actually crashes the app in Simulator after doing it twice(!).

On the first go, it's loading the audio file, by first setting the path to empty, then to the actual path. All is fine.
Going back to gallery card, the player is stopped and deleted (as intended, mobileControlDelete).
Repeating the procedure a second time (go to profile card (same or other), create new player, load the audio file) now crashes the app every time, at the stage of loading the real path.

This is another flavour of strange, but a step backwards.

I think we?ll try with other audio formats than mp3, to see if it makes any difference...

If anyone has time, an iPad and interest in taking part in testing, I can invite you via TestFlight (my client approves). 
????????????
J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
Some video problems can be solved by setting the filename of the player to 
empty, waiting a few milliseconds, and then setting the new filename.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Sep 30 13:03:51 2020
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 10:03:51 -0700
Subject: TIL: JSON validator
Message-ID: <75e48a53-8256-c955-fdae-f2563cb27ccb@sonic.net>

I've been in the DeveloperWeek conference for the last couple of days, 
and in a morning session today about OpenAPI I learned about an online 
JSON Schema validator tool.

https://www.jsonschemavalidator.net/

Also, this JSON/YAML linter may be of use:

https://meta.stoplight.io/docs/spectral/README.md

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au  Wed Sep 30 22:30:32 2020
From: neville.smythe at optusnet.com.au (Neville Smythe)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:30:32 +1000
Subject: Modal stacks cpu usage
Message-ID: <15234F36-6888-41CA-BB99-D27BBA90D20D@optusnet.com.au>

I have just noticed something curious. 

I am running LiveCode 8.1 IDE 9.6.1 on a Mac Air 2020 quad core Catalina.  

Typically LC cpu usage shows about 34%  (presumably of 1 core).  When a modal stack is opened it immediately ramps up to 99% ; the fan kicks in, and if left for a while the OS boosts the kernel_task daemon which I have been told is a protection device to prevent overheating. This has the effect of very markedly slowing down all apps as they get less cpu time.

If the stack is opened in non-modal mode, cpu usage stays around 34% . I don?t understand why a modal stack should be a cpu hog, indeed it seems like a bug to me. 

I have a suspicion the wait with messages command  may have the same effect on cpu performance, so it could be the culprit.