OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

JJS jjs at krutt.org
Sat Sep 7 07:55:39 EDT 2019


use for free (should it be written)

Op 7-9-2019 om 13:53 schreef JJS via use-livecode:
> I forgot, it was Mattias Rebbe who wrote the notarizing app which you 
> can you fro free, aint that great!
>
> He also made an excellent lesson which is on lessons.livecode.com
>
>
> Op 7-9-2019 om 13:36 schreef JJS via use-livecode:
>> Well said.
>>
>> There is help on this.
>>
>> On of the list members will jump in i guess and he made an excellent 
>> tool which will help you out notarizing and all other stuff Apple 
>> tries to kill you with.
>>
>> If you already have a Apple dev account (only 100$ per year) which 
>> gives you the ability to help 100 people(am i correct?) (thought 
>> there was an option for 1000??) then this tool will help you do these 
>> things and you can go on with coding as before.
>>
>> I also put stuff on Google Play which is not intended for everybody, 
>> but i use a password combination, just like banks do with their apps. 
>> Their apps are also not for everyone, but only they who have an account.
>>
>> You could do that too, so only people with access credentials can 
>> access the app.
>>
>> Indeed you gave a few reasons why i choose not to develop for Apple, 
>> unless i can make enough money with it which compensates for it.
>>
>>
>> Jerry(Sphere)
>>
>> Op 7-9-2019 om 13:18 schreef Peter Reid via use-livecode:
>>> I've been using LiveCode as my development platform since 1999. 
>>> Practically all the apps I've developed have been for in-house use 
>>> by my family, friends and customers - all very low numbers of copies 
>>> distributed in an informal manner. I've no interest in App Store 
>>> distribution and the users of my apps trust me such that they do not 
>>> need my apps to be "approved" by Apple. What's more important to 
>>> them is how quickly I can release new apps and new versions of 
>>> existing apps.
>>>
>>> Up to and including macOS Mojave my users can run my apps with the 
>>> minor inconvenience of having to right-click an app and approve its 
>>> use, just once. With macOS Catalina, if I understand things, it's 
>>> not so simple, instead these are the options:
>>>
>>> 1. Code-sign and notarise my apps – I'm not interested in this for 
>>> my kind of apps which are essentially in-house/at home developments.
>>>
>>> 2. Using an active Internet connection, go through the right-click 
>>> technique as now not just once, but EVERY time the app is opened.
>>>
>>> In the past the 'Security & Privacy' General tab had a 3rd option 
>>> for the setting 'Allow apps downloaded from:' which allowed you to 
>>> install and use apps from any source. It seems that this is not 
>>> possible with Catalina.
>>>
>>> So with Catalina my users will need an Internet connection and will 
>>> have to go through the right-click authorisation process every time 
>>> they open one of my apps.
>>>
>>> More seriously, it is becoming increasingly difficult to recommend 
>>> the combination of the Mac plus LiveCode for app development. Up to 
>>> now I've done all my app development on Mac+LC, even where the 
>>> target platform is Windows or Android or Linux – I find it's simply 
>>> faster, less error-prone and more pleasant with the Mac. However, 
>>> from Catalina onwards even simple little utility apps, created for 
>>> short-term use, will be tedious when opening or you have to learn 
>>> about the complexity of code-signing and notarising and accept 
>>> slower development cycles due to the need for Apple's approval!
>>>
>>> This is quite depressing, especially since I abandoned iOS 
>>> development due to Apple's distribution restrictions.
>>>
>>> Back when the iPad 2 had just been released I developed for one of 
>>> my customers an app to support health & safety audits for a national 
>>> UK retail chain. The app took me 15 days to develop in total. As a 
>>> result of being able to field a team of 10-20 staff with iPads 
>>> running my app, my customer was able to carry out 350 half-day H&S 
>>> audits for 3 years. However I was unable to roll-out this app to 
>>> other customers as the ad hoc distribution method I was using was 
>>> limited to 100 iPads per year and the App Store was not appropriate 
>>> for this type of app.
>>>
>>> As a result of the limitations Apple impose on tablet app 
>>> distribution, recently I developed a speech-aid app just for small 
>>> Android tablets and larger phones. I have not made an iOS app. This 
>>> app is low volume (in terms of number of users) and requires 
>>> significant personalising in order to be effective for its users 
>>> (typically they are stroke victims). I chose to deliver the app on 
>>> Android because of the facility to use developer mode and because of 
>>> price – Android 7in tablet plus minimal add-ons: £80, Apple iPad 
>>> plus add-ons: £320. Some of my users of this app already have an 
>>> iPad but they are having to buy a cheap Android tablet. Like the Mac 
>>> and Catalina, the iPad and iOS is driving away potential app 
>>> developers due to Apple's rigid control of the delivery mechanisms.
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm wrong, Catalina will be OK – if I am wrong, please correct 
>>> me!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Peter
>>> -- 
>>> Peter Reid
>>> Loughborough, UK
>>>
>>>
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